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[Reptilian Rob]

You don't hate Origin, Origin hates YOU.

[Alkonium]

I'll just leave this here:

[SouzaNZ]

Andy379 wrote...

I don't see a problem with it.

So what if a big company gets your private information? In no way will this ever be relevant to your life ever again. Does it physically hurt you? Are you afraid of being singled out?

Fox New broadcast: This just in from the latest Origin scans, xXDigitalPh33rXx downloaded a whooping 873gb of pornographic material. Sets a new record...

Sorry I had to be the one to tell you but your not that special.
Your information, along with everyone else's is going to be put into a chart.
And what ever becomes of that chart will do you no harm. =D

If anything should be argued against it's the amount of system resources the thing takes up.

This arguement that it's "none of my conern what they do with the data" baffles me. How about "my personal data is none of your #%&ing business" regardless of what they do with it?

Social networking seems to have convinced people that sharing every little detail about their lives with total strangers is somehow desirable instead of deeply disturbing.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Alkonium wrote...

I'll just leave this here:

ALL MY MONEY, TAKE IT.

Seriously Stargate reference FTW....even though I only really watched Stargate Atlantis Religiously, I watched a bit of Stargate SG1 and Stargate Universe, but neither were really my style. Atlantis on the other hand just appealled to me in every way possible.

[Darji]

Bevause Steam was the best thing that could have happen to PC gamers. They were all combined under one certain system. And now Origin tires to get some money out of this Idea by trying to imitate Steam.. And so far Origins is a disaster.

[Travie]

Isn't there already a huge thread about this?

Although I think my hate for Origin could sustain two...

I'm ok with this

[Xeranx]

Alkonium wrote...

I'll just leave this here:

Genius.  Have to say the whole involvement of the Ori was annoying.

[staindgrey]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

You don't hate Origin, Origin hates YOU.

NICE.

Anything that collects data that you don't specifically point it to, and SENDS IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, is a bad idea. It has nothing to do with the specifics of the data, the idea is bad.

I haven't seen the Origin issue so concisely and precisely worded before now. Well done.

Also, I'm just happy GFWL isn't the most hated online service anymore. I actually kind of like it, and now I don't need a flame shield when I say that! 

[Abirn]

Andy379 wrote...

I don't see a problem with it.

So what if a big company gets your private information? In no way will this ever be relevant to your life ever again. Does it physically hurt you? Are you afraid of being singled out?

Fox New broadcast: This just in from the latest Origin scans, xXDigitalPh33rXx downloaded a whooping 873gb of pornographic material. Sets a new record...

Sorry I had to be the one to tell you but your not that special.
Your information, along with everyone else's is going to be put into a chart.
And what ever becomes of that chart will do you no harm. =D

If anything should be argued against it's the amount of system resources the thing takes up.

A much more realistic scenario is EA looking to make a quick buck scans your computer for pirated software and they decide to enter the legal extortion racket that the movie and music industry is engaging in.

[Diceyy]

Why would anyone not hate origin?

[staindgrey]

Diceyy wrote...

Why would anyone not hate origin?

They're either ignorant or apathetic. If you think about it, there's not really a whole lot EA can do with your information. If they get caught selling your information for any purpose, that's not only unlawful, but also a MAJOR PR problem. If they use your information o monitor piracy in any way, someone who doesn't pirate has no reason to worry.

I'm avoiding downloading Origin for now, but not everybody innately feels the need to get up in arms over every problem they find. Some don't see Origin' policy as anything worth worrying about; that's their right as a consumer.

*shrug*

[DeathDragon185]

It's like taking drugs. you have fun then it comes back to bite you in the ass.

[Lumikki]

Diceyy wrote...

Why would anyone not hate origin?

Some reasons they may do it, been ignorant or just stupid or lke drug addict for games.

There is something wrong when someone gives up they rights freely.
I mean who would freely want to be used by others, like a slave?

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[staindgrey]

Lumikki wrote...

Diceyy wrote...

Why would anyone not hate origin?

Some reasons they may do it, been ignorant or just stupid or lke drug addict for games.

There is something wrong when someone gives up they rights freely.
I mean who would freely want to be used by others, like a slave?

I don't like Origin much either, but I'm pretty sure that comparing Origin to the act of slavery is a pretty major hyperbole, and could possibly be offensive, considering it belittles a very dehumanizing and horrible act.

Just saying.

[Vegos]

staindgrey wrote...

If they use your information o monitor piracy in any way, someone who doesn't pirate has no reason to worry.

This "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mantra has been chewed up and spit back out so often it's not even able to walk anymore.

It doesn't MATTER what I have on my disks, in my apartment, or in the trunk of my car, it's not ANYONE'S BUSINESS. Unless I decide otherwise, and of course, unless the government shows up with the paperwork.

Modifié par Vegos, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:42 .

[staindgrey]

Vegos wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

If they use your information o monitor piracy in any way, someone who doesn't pirate has no reason to worry.

This "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mantra has been chewed up and spit back out so often it's not even able to walk anymore.

It doesn't MATTER what I have on my disks, in my apartment, or in the trunk of my car, it's not ANYONE'S BUSINESS. Unless I decide otherwise, and of course, unless the government shows up with the paperwork.

Lol way to snip out a part of my post out of context. I was giving reasons for why someone wouldn't be bothered by Origin, and for some, that is a completely reasonable mindset. I wasn't saying I endorse the thought, nor was I implying that people who dislike Origin on principle (a group of which I am a part) are all piraters.

Read the entire post when replying, please and thank you. 

[Lumikki]

staindgrey wrote...

Lol way to snip out a part of my post out of context. I was giving reasons for why someone wouldn't be bothered by Origin, and for some, that is a completely reasonable mindset. I wasn't saying I endorse the thought, nor was I implying that people who dislike Origin on principle (a group of which I am a part) are all piraters.

Read the entire post when replying, please and thank you. 

Yeah.

I think that is the reason (excuse) what they say why they do it, but it's based on ignorance and stupity and addictions.
Basicly not understanding what this is all about and they put they addiction over understanding. Little like intentionally choose to be ignorant, like I don't care, because they addiction needs are more important for them, than wanting to really understand what's this is about. What makes them stupid in eyes of others.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[Vegos]

staindgrey wrote...

Vegos wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

If they use your information o monitor piracy in any way, someone who doesn't pirate has no reason to worry.

This "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mantra has been chewed up and spit back out so often it's not even able to walk anymore.

It doesn't MATTER what I have on my disks, in my apartment, or in the trunk of my car, it's not ANYONE'S BUSINESS. Unless I decide otherwise, and of course, unless the government shows up with the paperwork.

Lol way to snip out a part of my post out of context. I was giving reasons for why someone wouldn't be bothered by Origin, and for some, that is a completely reasonable mindset. I wasn't saying I endorse the thought, nor was I implying that people who dislike Origin on principle (a group of which I am a part) are all piraters.

Read the entire post when replying, please and thank you. 

Oh, sorry I should have been more clear, I didn't mean to go out of context on you. My rant was directed at those who act that way, not at you, but you provided the framework *cough*

Sorry, honest mistake up there, should have worded differently.

[staindgrey]

Vegos wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Vegos wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

If they use your information o monitor piracy in any way, someone who doesn't pirate has no reason to worry.

This "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mantra has been chewed up and spit back out so often it's not even able to walk anymore.

It doesn't MATTER what I have on my disks, in my apartment, or in the trunk of my car, it's not ANYONE'S BUSINESS. Unless I decide otherwise, and of course, unless the government shows up with the paperwork.

Lol way to snip out a part of my post out of context. I was giving reasons for why someone wouldn't be bothered by Origin, and for some, that is a completely reasonable mindset. I wasn't saying I endorse the thought, nor was I implying that people who dislike Origin on principle (a group of which I am a part) are all piraters.

Read the entire post when replying, please and thank you. 

Oh, sorry I should have been more clear, I didn't mean to go out of context on you. My rant was directed at those who act that way, not at you, but you provided the framework *cough*

Sorry, honest mistake up there, should have worded differently.

It's alright. Reading it differently, I get your point.

I've just had so many posts like that, where someone takes one line from me and ignores the rest, just to suit their argument. It's the most annoying thing in the world, and I assumed you meant the same.

I frequent the Epic Games forums as well. The base intelligence there is... well... considerably lower than here lol.

[lltoon]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
That's a hack, not the selling of personal information.  You can sue if EA sells your personal information.  If you actually read, you'd understand the difference of the two situations.  Also, if you make purchases with credit information and register in their service, you run the same risk you do when submitting information to Amazon, Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, etc.  Origin does not forcibly scan your computer beyond anything revolving Origin and associated products.  This may mean basic drive info, game files, and other similar aspects, but it does not go through anything else.  That's just fear mongering assumptions that have gone way out of control.

No it doesn't. The only situation where you can sue them is if you opt out of this waiving of rights by writing to EA within 30 days. That information isn't very well known to consumers and they will likely get jacked before they find out.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And if you actually read my posts, you'd know that I don't like the state of this industry and how they are taking advantage of us.  My point was that this Origin debacle is nothing compared to what else is going on in the industry.  People need to do some actual objective research, rather than jumping on the band wagon of hate.

And you obviously have no knowlege of the sitiuation with Wall Street and the banking system.  And if you want your argument heard, I wouldn't point fingers, considering you were a part of the banking issue too more than likely, just like every other American and European in the world.  Not the individuals fault but the system.

It's not a bandwagon of hate when places like Quebec, Russia, Switzerland, Germany and Finland has declared that Origin's TOS outright violates basic consumer laws and that the entire European Union has made measures that the consumers exempt from waiving of rights when installing their games. It boggles my mind how you can actually defend a third party software like this for ME3 when ME1 and 2 has done so well without it.

As for the banking system I still blame the general population for their careless spending habits and excessive borrowing and lack of oversight on their part that allowed the system's flaws to continue. Even as they protest now, it's too late and the damage has been done, but they don't want to take responsibility that the problem is partly their fault too.

[FlexS]

The only time I use Origin is when updating The Sims 3, but when it's running in the background it takes up so many of my resources, I have to disable it.

Modifié par FlexS, 07 novembre 2011 - 07:47 .

[Lumikki]

I could also say this.

Now issue is this, that some of us are short-sighted as thinking that our player choise here doesn't affect anything, because we still gonna play the game. But in long term it does affect, because everytime company lose customers because something, company has less money to make next game. So, been passive and thinking, "I don't care", will have affect you ability play games later. Because there is people who will not buy the game if it has forced data collection. These are lost customers and it had nothing to do with game it self.

Point been, saying that EA should give the data collection as free option for player, not as forceful choise will benefit every player here. Even those who don't care. Been passive can hurt you in this case, even if you have no issues with situation. This is because this isn't about game it self, but something else what the game company is doing, that is pissing off some players.

Doesn't company also know this? Yes they do, but company think they can ass **** us anyway, because we are ignorant, stupid and addicted for games. Like we will bent for they needs anyway. Little rude way to say this, but that's how it is. You may say, I don't feel like ass ****ed, because data collection. You may not feel it, but some of us do and that's the issues, they are the potential lost customers and it's affecting you too in long run. And this has nothing to do game it self, they can love and wanthing to play the game as much you too. Companies other issues how ever, is affecting them. Forced data collection is not any players interest, it should be free choise to all players.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:16 .

[JenMaxon]

lltoon wrote...
It's not a bandwagon of hate when places like Quebec, Russia, Switzerland, Germany and Finland has declared that Origin's TOS outright violates basic consumer laws and that the entire European Union has made measures that the consumers exempt from waiving of rights when installing their games.

I'm pretty sure it will contravene the UK's consumer laws as well - we have strict laws which are very much geared to protecting consumers.  Have done since the 1977 Consumer Protection Act.

[Soul Cool]

Lol, can't wait until people figure out how many other companies do this with their software already. "Client security" for the win.