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[Amaterasuomikami]

D.Kain wrote...

I don't respect Samara. Instead of being a good mother and helping Morinth to overcome her desires, setting an example, she turned her to seclusion. That was the first the the worst choice she could do. Then came the second one - to hunt her own daughter to death, because she didn't want to live in seclusion. Everything else followed after that. She was not justified to do anything out of what she did, because it was all her fault in the first place. That's why I helped Morinth to put her down.

1. How do you know that Morinth gave Samara the option of "talking her out of it"? Morinth enjoys what she does, which is why she decided to go on the run.

2. My view is that she chose to hunt Morinth because she knew it was her responsibility and did not want others killed trying to bring her down. If anyone was to risk their life she wanted it to be her own.

jreezy, I did add a question mark to the thread title. But I can only go by what I've read. Then I had a look at the Mass Effect wiki, and there was no mention of her in the recurring characters section. So as I said it was not an unreasonable position to take. But I would appreciate a link to the article that mentions her by name.

[D.Kain]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

1. How do you know that Morinth gave Samara the option of "talking her out of it"? Morinth enjoys what she does, which is why she decided to go on the run.

2. My view is that she chose to hunt Morinth because she knew it was her responsibility and did not want others killed trying to bring her down. If anyone was to risk their life she wanted it to be her own.

jreezy, I did add a question mark to the thread title. But I can only go by what I've read. Then I had a look at the Mass Effect wiki, and there was no mention of her in the recurring characters section. So as I said it was not an unreasonable position to take. But I would appreciate a link to the article that mentions her by name.

1) Talking Morinth out of what? Not running from seclusion? The fact that Morinth ran from seclusion was actually GOOD. Samara shouldn't have brought her TO seclusion in the first place, but instead should have raised her.

2) As I said, my first argument makes Samara guilty for Morinth in the first place. It probably could have been avoided in the first place. Killing Morinth is only putting more guilt on Samara, I relevied her of it.

[thatguy212]

Samara has never been mentioned by name as return but neither have a lot of followers, but bioware has said on many occasions that everyone is back in some way, such as this "every follower who survived ME1/ME2 will return, in some fashion."

[Amaterasuomikami]

D.Kain wrote...


Talking Morinth out of what? Not running from seclusion? The fact that Morinth ran from seclusion was actually GOOD. Samara shouldn't have brought her TO seclusion in the first place, but instead should have raised her.

Morinth was given a choice of seclusion or death by the Asari authorities. It wasn't Samara's choice as far as I can see, even if she might have agreed that something had to be done. Remember that the Ardat-Yakshi was a near mythological nightmare in Asari society. That wouldn't have happened because some farmer's milk curdled.

The affliction was addictive, and given Morinth's attitude - chosing to run and kill people during sex to get more powerful, instead of cutting herself off to avoid innocent people dying - I doubt there was any way to stop her being like that apart from killing her.

thaguy2012, thanks that actually sounds familiar. I hope it's more than just a passing cameo!

Modifié par Amaterasuomikami, 06 novembre 2011 - 10:42 .

[D.Kain]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

Morinth was given a choice of seclusion or death by the Asari authorities. It wasn't Samara's choice as far as I can see, even if she might have agreed that something had to be done. Remember that the Ardat-Yakshi was a near mythological nightmare in Asari society. That wouldn't have happened because some farmer's milk curdled.

The affliction was addictive, and given Morinth's attitude - chosing to run and kill people during sex to get more powerful, instead of cutting herself off to avoid innocent people dying - I doubt there was any way to stop her being like that apart from killing her.

Look, Morinth will do just fine without dying, there is no need to kill her. Samara on the other hand shouldn't have turned Morinth over to asari authorities in the first place, if she was a good mother. 

[D.Kain]

Bebe77 wrote...

would u live a dull life of loneliness and boredom and just roll over and submit to authorities because some "innocent" (if the word can be used to describe people in omega) people might die .......... prob not its an injustice to deny her freedom when she was just born the way she is

That and the fact that instead of teaching her how to live in the society, she was isolated to develop ''love and friendship''. 

[D.Kain]

Bebe77 wrote...
kind of hard to develop love and friendship when you are locked in a building by the people they want you to love

Exactly.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Well thank you for being a sensible Morinth fan. I'm a fan of her myself but I'm not so biased towards her that I'd blindly deflect blame towards innocent parties.

What innocent parties? Samara or those that made seclusion?

[Amaterasuomikami]

D.Kain wrote...

Look, Morinth will do just fine without dying, there is no need to kill her.

I would say all the people who died at her hands might suggest otherwise.

Samara on the other hand shouldn't have turned Morinth over to asari authorities in the first place, if she was a good mother.

Morinth had already become addicted to mating and draining the brain power of her partners - that's why she chose to run when her condition was discovered. Even if only Samara knew what was going on, are you suggesting she should have kept it a secret and let her daughter prey on society? The only way to stop her from doing that would have been to keep her permanently sedated.

And if the authorities did know, what then? Should Samara have gone on the run with her daughter?!

[Ravensword]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Samara and Mordin....the best characters BioWare has ever written. Everyone else....pfff, fanservice.

Bah! Miranda is made out of garlic, spice and everything fanser-vice.

[D.Kain]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

I would say all the people who died at her hands might suggest otherwise.

Morinth had already become addicted to mating and draining the brain power of her partners - that's why she chose to run when her condition was discovered. Even if only Samara knew what was going on, are you suggesting she should have kept it a secret and let her daughter prey on society? The only way to stop her from doing that would have been to keep her permanently sedated.

And if the authorities did know, what then? Should Samara have gone on the run with her daughter?!

People that already died won't suggest anything anymore. More over I think that the majority of people Morinth killed where not good in the first place, or killed for self-deffence.

Morinth is not an addict, I don't believe that. What Samara had to do is raise her like any other asari, just make her aware of her condition. Samara was strong enough to not romance Shepard, she could encourage Morinth in that behaviour. I don't believe that Ardat-Yakshi should be secluded to be stopped from melding.

Yes Samara should have gone on the run with her daughter, that would make her a better person, better yet with 3 of her daughters.

Modifié par D.Kain, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:26 .

[Comsky159]

Don't you Samara fans worry those little heads off in your enviably blissful ignorance.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

People that had nothing to do with her seclusion but suffered because of Morinth anyway. Nef, brainwashed village, other known or unknown murdered people, things like that.

But you know that I don't believe Nef to be innocent and I believe that village was thrown at Samara in selfdeffence. 

[Confused-Shepard]

In the leak she plays a very important part in Thessia. Basically, when a Justicar speaks up, you better listen. There's like this entire section of interaction and fighting alongside Asari Commandos including Samara

[D.Kain]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

In the leak she plays a very important part in Thessia. Basically, when a Justicar speaks up, you better listen. There's like this entire section of interaction and fighting alongside Asari Commandos including Samara

Spoiler.

Oh but that's not what I'm going to do. Asari Commandos are going to get it, there is no way I'm helping them and Samara is already dead. Morinth is going to be there too. But don't post random spoilers without tags. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:07 .

[Amaterasuomikami]

D.Kain wrote...

But you know that I don't believe Nef to be innocent and I believe that village was thrown at Samara in selfdeffence.

I'm not sure I agree with you that a village's worth of adults and adolescents could be compared to a shotgun a farmer keeps to ward off burglars. They are human beings, after all. The only time you can be justified in killing pepole in self-defence is when you kill the person attacking you.

Modifié par Amaterasuomikami, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[D.Kain]

Amaterasuomikami wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

But you know that I don't believe Nef to be innocent and I believe that village was thrown at Samara in selfdeffence.

I'm not sure I agree with you that a village's worth of adults and adolescents could be compared to a shotgun a farmer keeps to ward off burglars. They are human beings, after all. The only time you can be justified in killing pepole in self-defence is when you kill the person attacking you.

What if you are killing people that are attacking you because you are attacking, like Samara did?