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[The_Crazy_Hand]

It's not just DA 2, the Arrival DLC didn't exactly help Bioware's reputation either. I remember being furious immediately after finishing it.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 07 novembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[Gatt9]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

what happened to this community....i see so many people against bioware now.after so many years of brilliant games people have turned on them for ONE dissapointing game( DA2).....its ridiculuos....cant we all have some faith in the developers who brought us KOTOR, jade empire, dragon age, n mass effect......cant we all just chill have not jump to conclusions...seriosuly.

Sir,  it's not jumping to conclusions,  it's just logic and reason.  You cannot shoehorn in features where they don't belong and end up with a decent project.  Especially in the middle of a series meant to be a cohesive trilogy.  Dragon Age 2 will likely look tame in comparison.

[Conway044]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

what happened to this community....i see so many people against bioware now.after so many years of brilliant games people have turned on them for ONE dissapointing game( DA2).....its ridiculuos....cant we all have some faith in the developers who brought us KOTOR, jade empire, dragon age, n mass effect......cant we all just chill have not jump to conclusions...seriosuly.

1.  My concerns with ME 3 are with Origin, it's EULA and EA's privacy policy. 

2. Jade Empire is BioWare's worst game in my opinion, so 2 disappointing games.

[BLunted]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

what happened to this community....i see so many people against bioware now.after so many years of brilliant games people have turned on them for ONE dissapointing game( DA2).....its ridiculuos....cant we all have some faith in the developers who brought us KOTOR, jade empire, dragon age, n mass effect......cant we all just chill have not jump to conclusions...seriosuly.

I haven't watched the leaked stuff, but let's recap recent history:

ME2 - decent game, but not half as good as ME1 in my opinion. i fear that ME3 is going to move more in the gears of war direction like ME2 did(more action, less RPG)
Dragon age awakening - sucked
Dragon age 2 - sucked

To me, that is a discernible pattern and gives me pause. I have no doubt that ME3 will be an excellent action game, however, it remais to be seen if it will scratch my RPG itch.

[crimzontearz]

Neurotics wrote...

Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.

is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

[Cpt-Kirrahe]

I consider us to be the fanbase of Bioware. 90% of us here will be buying Mass Effect 3. Will we enjoy it? I know I will! Sure ME2 wasn't what I hoped it would be but it was still an awesome story and I've replayed the game over and over again. Same thing with Mass Effect 1, it was very addicting.

For those of you who have nothing but negative things to say about bioware and the direction ME3 is heading I pity you. (and I also pity the fool) I'm sure ME3 will be a great part of the trilogy. I can't wait to see the good captain's role in Mass Effect 3. Will he hold the line?

[Doctoglethorpe]

The argument that "they are abandoning me for a wider audience" is rubbish.

First of all, Bioware have to aim for success.  They cant just make niche games and hope to survive.  Anybody who wants that is just asking them to drown themselves  Is that what you want?  I don't.  I would rather they continue making creative games built for success then one out there niche game that 100 people will play and then they go bankrupt and loose everything. 

Second, just because they are turning towards developing there games in a wider appealing way doesn't mean they arent still great games.  I hate the mentality that if its not indie or not made purely on an artistic basis and not on a product basis then that means its automatically bad.    The mentality that a game can't be both artistic and commercial at the same time is bull****.  If you really believe that then your not a gamer at all because, news flash, 99% of games are made to be commercially successful. 

Times change.  Bioware changes.  They can't keep making the old games just because you liked them better.  They have to do what is commercially successful.  Otherwise there is no Bioware at all. 

[crimzontearz]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

The argument that "they are abandoning me for a wider audience" is rubbish.

First of all, Bioware have to aim for success.  They cant just make niche games and hope to survive.  Anybody who wants that is just asking them to drown themselves  Is that what you want?  I don't.  I would rather they continue making creative games built for success then one out there niche game that 100 people will play and then they go bankrupt and loose everything. 

Second, just because they are turning towards developing there games in a wider appealing way doesn't mean they arent still great games.  I hate the mentality that if its not indie or not made purely on an artistic basis and not on a product basis then that means its automatically bad.    The mentality that a game can't be both artistic and commercial at the same time is bull****.  If you really believe that then your not a gamer at all because, news flash, 99% of games are made to be commercially successful. 

Times change.  Bioware changes.  They can't keep making the old games just because you liked them better.  They have to do what is commercially successful.  Otherwise there is no Bioware at all. 

dude....seriously stop talking you are making yourself pass for an idiot.

RPGs are not indy games, RPGs are not niche games. This has nothing to do with a game being "commercial" or "artistic" at all. this has to do with people getting on board with the ME franchise because they were expecting an RPG trilogy heavily influenced by player choices and now fearing the game will turn in an action game with abysmal RPG features.

[Vegos]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

The argument that "they are abandoning me for a wider audience" is rubbish.

Not as rubbis as the rubbish that follows.

First of all, Bioware have to aim for success.  They cant just make niche games and hope to survive.  Anybody who wants that is just asking them to drown themselves  Is that what you want?  I don't.  I would rather they continue making creative games built for success then one out there niche game that 100 people will play and then they go bankrupt and loose everything. 

So a RPG without shooter elements is a niche game now? Really? REALLY?

Second, just because they are turning towards developing there games in a wider appealing way doesn't mean they arent still great games.  I hate the mentality that if its not indie or not made purely on an artistic basis and not on a product basis then that means its automatically bad.    The mentality that a game can't be both artistic and commercial at the same time is bull****.  If you really believe that then your not a gamer at all because, news flash, 99% of games are made to be commercially successful. 

Oh dear, the assumptions! Where has that mentality manifested, actually? Are you actually referring to someone specific who went by the "indie or it's bad" mentality, or are you using that ol' "Throw enough dirt and some of it is bound to stick" tactic? I know which one I consider more likely.

Times change.  Bioware changes.  They can't keep making the old games just because you liked them better.  They have to do what is commercially successful.  Otherwise there is no Bioware at all. 

So again, since when are RPG's a niche market, and need to have prosthetics from other genres attatched in order to not hobble like a limping leper?

[Vegos]

Neurotics wrote...

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.

You care enough to try and discredit them for having opinions, it would seem.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Its still as much of an rpg as it always was. There is no argument to that.

If you guys are worried that its not going to be an rpg anymore you need to seriously check what your talking about. Mass Effect has always been a hybrid Action-RPG and nothing that has been shown in any way suggest that the RPG side of the equasion is any smaller then it has always been.

The rpg side of the series has always been solid and doesn't need very much imrpoovement, because Bioware already have all the experience they need with that.  The action side though, lets face it was pretty bad in ME1.  It needed to be imrpooved.  And that is what they are doing.  Polishing one side of the coin isn't doing any damage to the other side. 

So chill the **** out. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 07 novembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[crimzontearz]

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.

is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

The multiple z's in your name makes it quite hard to take you seriously. Kinda like a little kid on XBL.
ME2 > ME1, End. Of. Story.

<rage>
The trend here seems to be b*tch and whine until the cows come home. I really don't get it. Are people really this devoid of a life that all they can do is complain about stupid sh*t?
</rage>

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.

right......

"better" and "worse" are completely subjective concepts, thus your statement cannot be factual truth.

ME2 may be better "for you" but saying that becase YOU believe it to be a better game than ME1 that does not mean everyone else has to think so as it is proven by the simple fact that there are people who strongly believe otherwise. That is not even considering  the fact that  people may consider SOME parts of ME1 better than the equivalent parts of ME2 and and not the whole game. 

[CARL_DF90]

I tend to ignore fools, knuckleheads, morons, and ignorant pions to jump to conclusions WAAAY to easily. I have learned my lessons in NOT doing that. Sure, there have been missteps but that is HUMAN. What is also human is to learn from them and MOVE ON. I have, and so is Bioware and if you had paid attention to all the ME3 demos (including the leaked beta) you'd know that ME3 is upping the action AS WELL AS the RPG aspect. Quit worrying people. You'll get premature gray hairs that way.

[BLunted]

Neurotics wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.

You care enough to try and discredit them for having opinions, it would seem.

The amount of b*tching here is abso-f*cking-lutly insane!
I can't believe the BioWare "fanbase" More like a hatebase.
The majority of BSN is a hatemail board. It's these deviants to which I don't give two sh*ts about.

Holy crap dude, rub one out. You'll feel better :happy:

[Vegos]

Again, if a "RPG" has to be advertised as "having a RPG mode", then I don't think it's safe to say it's most definitely a RPG.

And I'm perfectly calm. Mildly amused, even.

[Vegos]

Neurotics wrote...

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.

Wow, that's some competent weasel-wording, right there!

Almost like a politician who says "I refuse to call the other guy a scumbag that he is!"

[crimzontearz]

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.

is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

The multiple z's in your name makes it quite hard to take you seriously. Kinda like a little kid on XBL.
ME2 > ME1, End. Of. Story.

<rage>
The trend here seems to be b*tch and whine until the cows come home. I really don't get it. Are people really this devoid of a life that all they can do is complain about stupid sh*t?
</rage>

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.

right......

"better" and "worse" are completely subjective concepts, thus your statement cannot be factual truth.

ME2 may be better "for you" but saying that becase YOU believe it to be a better game than ME1 that does not mean everyone else has to think so as it is proven by the simple fact that there are people who strongly believe otherwise. That is not even considering  the fact that  people may consider SOME parts of ME1 better than the equivalent parts of ME2 and and not the whole game. 

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.

you cannot........and there is really nothing you can do about it