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Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


Wow, that's some competent weasel-wording, right there!

Almost like a politician who says "I refuse to call the other guy a scumbag that he is!"

Obama fan I presume?

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For some reason I can't take ANYONE that calls DA2 a bad game seriously. "One person's opinion becomes everybodys' thoughts". I feel like a lot of people are just echoing the opinions of other people about the game.


Nor can I. So I tend to just translate most of these types of arguments to simply, "It's bad because it's different from what I'm accustomed to."

That's almost always the underlying cause of these types of reactions - and it does seem to catch on with others who wouldn't beat their chests about it otherwise, almost like a stampede or mass hysteria.

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Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

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Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.


is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

The multiple z's in your name makes it quite hard to take you seriously. Kinda like a little kid on XBL.
ME2 > ME1, End. Of. Story.

<rage>
The trend here seems to be b*tch and whine until the cows come home. I really don't get it. Are people really this devoid of a life that all they can do is complain about stupid sh*t?
</rage>

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.


right......

"better" and "worse" are completely subjective concepts, thus your statement cannot be factual truth.

ME2 may be better "for you" but saying that becase YOU believe it to be a better game than ME1 that does not mean everyone else has to think so as it is proven by the simple fact that there are people who strongly believe otherwise. That is not even considering  the fact that  people may consider SOME parts of ME1 better than the equivalent parts of ME2 and and not the whole game. 

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


you cannot........and there is really nothing you can do about it

What are you, 10?

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It's not just DA 2, the Arrival DLC didn't exactly help Bioware's reputation either. I remember being furious immediately after finishing it.

Strange I remember feeling oddly immeresed in the **** that just happened and anxiously wanting to see what came next.

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Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.


is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

The multiple z's in your name makes it quite hard to take you seriously. Kinda like a little kid on XBL.
ME2 > ME1, End. Of. Story.

<rage>
The trend here seems to be b*tch and whine until the cows come home. I really don't get it. Are people really this devoid of a life that all they can do is complain about stupid sh*t?
</rage>

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.


right......

"better" and "worse" are completely subjective concepts, thus your statement cannot be factual truth.

ME2 may be better "for you" but saying that becase YOU believe it to be a better game than ME1 that does not mean everyone else has to think so as it is proven by the simple fact that there are people who strongly believe otherwise. That is not even considering  the fact that  people may consider SOME parts of ME1 better than the equivalent parts of ME2 and and not the whole game. 

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


you cannot........and there is really nothing you can do about it

What are you, 10?


no, but messing with your kind amuses me

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when i look at the demo vids and see almost all choice is gone except good or bad i have little faith. The one exception so far has been Capt/Major kirahe (sorry if spelt wrong)

Ok incase you were deaf the last time I said this......It's the freaking intro! It has been made clear just with the Surkesh demo that choice will be much more involved ingame.

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Neurotics wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


Wow, that's some competent weasel-wording, right there!

Almost like a politician who says "I refuse to call the other guy a scumbag that he is!"

Obama fan I presume?


Why would I care who's the president of a country half the world away?

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crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Maybe peoples' expectations are just too high. So now anything BioWare does isn't good enough for them. Which is just sad.


is expecting  food to be consistently good at the same restaurant expecting too much? not really now is it?

ME2 was not as good an RPG as ME1 (the devs even said so)....hence people were disappointed (at least those who were looking for an RPG at least as good as ME1)

DA2 was a worse game in pretty much all departments compared to DA:O according to a lot of people (I would say perhaps the majority of people and reviewrs).....

this has nothing to do with expectations

The multiple z's in your name makes it quite hard to take you seriously. Kinda like a little kid on XBL.
ME2 > ME1, End. Of. Story.

<rage>
The trend here seems to be b*tch and whine until the cows come home. I really don't get it. Are people really this devoid of a life that all they can do is complain about stupid sh*t?
</rage>

Mainly, I don't care about the opinions of others. I'll play the f*cking game and enjoy the hell out of it.


right......

"better" and "worse" are completely subjective concepts, thus your statement cannot be factual truth.

ME2 may be better "for you" but saying that becase YOU believe it to be a better game than ME1 that does not mean everyone else has to think so as it is proven by the simple fact that there are people who strongly believe otherwise. That is not even considering  the fact that  people may consider SOME parts of ME1 better than the equivalent parts of ME2 and and not the whole game. 

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


you cannot........and there is really nothing you can do about it

What are you, 10?


no, but messing with your kind amuses me

My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Picked on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
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jreezy wrote...

For some reason I can't take ANYONE that calls DA2 a bad game seriously. "One person's opinion becomes everybody's thoughts". I feel like a lot of people are just echoing the opinions of other people about the game.


Well, I think everyone agrees that it was a rushed game.  I mean, the recycled areas.  It also didn't help that DA:O sold a lot (more than ME1) and DA2 is one of the weakest selling modern BioWare titles. But yes, many of the purists who hated the ME2 changes have exaggerated the weakness of DA2 to make their point.

And as I said before, this would be some concern if we thought that BioWare listened to these arguments and planned to return ME3 to the various sins of "old school" RPGs (e.g. vendor trash, excessive die rolling).  But they aren't.

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Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Let me make it clear, I attempt to avoid conversations with morons but I guess I can't avoid you.
Ah well, back to the topic...
... Ah f*ck that, this thread is derailed.


Wow, that's some competent weasel-wording, right there!

Almost like a politician who says "I refuse to call the other guy a scumbag that he is!"

Obama fan I presume?


Why would I care who's the president of a country half the world away?

Flaming liberal then?

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Neurotics wrote...


Flaming liberal then?


Flaming? Nah, no use in that, with the conservatives being all flame retardant and all.

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Neurotics wrote...
My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Pick on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
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yes, your kind you know? deluded children who believe to hold the truth about....well pretty much anything

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It's just a vocal minority who like to huff and puff, but never actually blow anyone's house down. They'll still buy and play Bioware games and products at the end of the day, no matter how "terrible" they claim them to be.

Nothing to it.



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Flaming liberal then?


Flaming? Nah, no use in that, with the conservatives being all flame retardant and all.

I truly envy you.
I mean, I wish I could cry a river while suppling the world with an infinite water source.
You're a visionary my bro.

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*sighs* Keep on topic people. ANy more personal attacks/arguing and someone might come around and shut this thread down. Good grief. How Bioware puts up with this garbarge is beyond me. It would take the patience of Saints.

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crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...
My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Pick on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
Posted Image


yes, your kind you know? deluded children who believe to hold the truth about....well pretty much anything

You done yet?
Time to change your tampon bud.

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greengoron89 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

For some reason I can't take ANYONE that calls DA2 a bad game seriously. "One person's opinion becomes everybodys' thoughts". I feel like a lot of people are just echoing the opinions of other people about the game.


Nor can I. So I tend to just translate most of these types of arguments to simply, "It's bad because it's different from what I'm accustomed to."

That's almost always the underlying cause of these types of reactions - and it does seem to catch on with others who wouldn't beat their chests about it otherwise, almost like a stampede or mass hysteria.


This. Dragon Age 2 is regarded by everyone generally as game that isn't as good as DAO and didn't necessarily live up to general expectations. Honestly I can accept that because DA2 could have been a great game like most Bioware totals (excluding NWN)

Now when people go on about "it was a complete fail." or "It was a disaster." That is when I just stop listening because DA2 was a good game but it felt rushed and to limited. Even the story while interesting could have been much more better if they spent time on it. DA2 was basically what many of the critics needed to attempt to prove that Bioware has become the worst RPG developer in actuality it isn't. DA2 was a game that just simply wasn't a game you'd expect from bioware which means it isn't great.

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Neurotics wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...


Flaming liberal then?


Flaming? Nah, no use in that, with the conservatives being all flame retardant and all.

I truly envy you.
I mean, I wish I could cry a river while suppling the world with an infinite water source.
You're a visionary my bro.


And I wish I had a fish. Ah well.

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Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Neurotics wrote...


Flaming liberal then?


Flaming? Nah, no use in that, with the conservatives being all flame retardant and all.

I truly envy you.
I mean, I wish I could cry a river while suppling the world with an infinite water source.
You're a visionary my bro.


And I wish I had a fish. Ah well.

I wish I had a "rid the world of pions" button but alas...

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*sighs* Keep on topic people. ANy more personal attacks/arguing and someone might come around and shut this thread down. Good grief. How Bioware puts up with this garbarge is beyond me. It would take the patience of Saints.


Topic really isn't related to ME3 so it may get locked soon anyway.

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Andy379 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

It's just a vocal minority who like to huff and puff, but never actually blow anyone's house down. They'll still buy and play Bioware games and products at the end of the day, no matter how "terrible" they claim them to be.

Nothing to it.


I have been buying up to this point based on faith generated by Origins and ME1and previous titles, however, going forward, no more pre-orders. I am going to wait for reviews and such now before I buy.

I am not a kid anymore and can easily skip titles without it being any skin off my back. I'll just have to wait and see.

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Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...
My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Pick on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
Posted Image


yes, your kind you know? deluded children who believe to hold the truth about....well pretty much anything

You done yet?
Time to change your tampon bud.


lol adorable. Please do go on, you are a bottomless pit of entertainment

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what happened to this community....i see so many people against bioware now.after so many years of brilliant games people have turned on them for ONE dissapointing game( DA2).....its ridiculuos....cant we all have some faith in the developers who brought us KOTOR, jade empire, dragon age, n mass effect......cant we all just chill have not jump to conclusions...seriosuly.


Sir,  it's not jumping to conclusions,  it's just logic and reason.  You cannot shoehorn in features where they don't belong and end up with a decent project.  Especially in the middle of a series meant to be a cohesive trilogy.  Dragon Age 2 will likely look tame in comparison.



Considering that you haters never use logic and always jump to conclusions with little or no evidence.

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crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...
My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Pick on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
Posted Image


yes, your kind you know? deluded children who believe to hold the truth about....well pretty much anything

You done yet?
Time to change your tampon bud.


lol adorable. Please do go on, you are a bottomless pit of entertainment

Naw, I'm going to bed.
Have a nice day *sshole!

Modifié par Neurotics, 07 novembre 2011 - 02:36 .


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Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Neurotics wrote...
My kind?
You mean the logical and competent?
Kinda funny how the mongaloid on the boards acts like a bigshot on the web.
Pick on alot huh buddy?
my condolences.
Posted Image


yes, your kind you know? deluded children who believe to hold the truth about....well pretty much anything

You done yet?
Time to change your tampon bud.


lol adorable. Please do go on, you are a bottomless pit of entertainment

Naw, I'm going to bed.
Have a nice day *sshole!


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