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[Yakko77]

DA2 was a good game. BUT, it could've been GREAT!!! Too many bugs and on PS3 it was straight up broke. Sure, patches fixed most if not all the problems but it will forever live with it's initial release issues. As for the ME3 Beta leak, I thought it was epic even if it was unpolished. I am looking forward to ME3 more than ever based on the footage I saw of the beta.

[1136342t54_]

Niddy' wrote...

Everyone replys to the usage of 1 word and entire arguement is voided.

Forgot why I even come here.

This thread is supposedly about faith in a company I just chose to correct you since not everyone fits Faith directly with religion. I know I don't most of the time.

Plus I was a bit bored.

[crimzontearz]

1136342t54 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

true, for you, but objectively in the eye of the masses -apparently- and in the eyes of Inon Zur as well DA2 was a subpar rushjob compared to other Bioware productions

as for not talking about Bioware......well, the thread was about having faith in them right?? 

DA2 is a good game in general but in comparison to DAO and the high expectations of DA fans (in large part due to its marketing) it was seen as a travesty by people on these forums and a a dissapointment but still fun game by players I know who don't lurk forums constantly (and many reviewers). 

I was correcting the person about the definition of faith.

is it too much to expect a game at least as good as the previous installment?

[1136342t54_]

crimzontearz wrote...


is it too much to expect a game at least as good as the previous installment?

Why are you asking me? Are attempting to turn my opinion into a argument?

Is it not enough for me to say I was disappointed with the game or do you actually want me to say the game was a complete and utter failure?

Edit: Sorry if I sound antagonistic but when anyone usually attempts to get in a discussion about DA2 its not enough for me to say I was dissapointed in the game but usually they fill obligated to force me to say it was the worst game ever made.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 07 novembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[addiction21]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

what happened to this community....

It is as it has always been.

[Complistic]

faith made me waste $60 on DA2.

[1136342t54_]

Complistic wrote...

faith made me waste $60 on DA2.

That is why you watch reviews and also get a deal.

That's how I got 2 games instead of one when I got DA2;)

[Izhalezan]

DA2s combat is entertaining enough to help ignore all the rest of the game, and at least for DA3 they're really listening to the feedback.

[Vegos]

Izhalezan wrote...

DA2s combat is entertaining enough to help ignore all the rest of the game

And that's terrible.

No, really, it is. It's not a good thing when it happens.

[crimzontearz]

1136342t54 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


is it too much to expect a game at least as good as the previous installment?

Why are you asking me? Are attempting to turn my opinion into a argument?

Is it not enough for me to say I was disappointed with the game or do you actually want me to say the game was a complete and utter failure?

Edit: Sorry if I sound antagonistic but when anyone usually attempts to get in a discussion about DA2 its not enough for me to say I was dissapointed in the game but usually they fill obligated to force me to say it was the worst game ever made.

no I am genuinely curious

I see people saying "DA2 was not as good as DA:O, but people were expecting too much"

I fail to see the logic in the statement as a defense for DA2 or the DA team that worked on it...

[Izhalezan]

Vegos wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

DA2s combat is entertaining enough to help ignore all the rest of the game

And that's terrible.

No, really, it is. It's not a good thing when it happens.

I know, but at least there's something that is enjoyable, 100% fail would be heartbreaking.

[Dark_Caduceus]

The problem is with expectations. First of all they're a company(who's goal is to make money) and second of all they've been bought out by a multinational corporate conglomerate(EA), who aims to make TONS of money.
Their goal isn't pleasing us die hard fans on this site, but they try their best to do so anyways, they take our feedback occasionally and that's more than you can say of most game company's. That being said; they WILL sell out their IP and their vision to make more money and please EA, that's the long and short of it. Mass Effect 2 was an excellent game, and Mass Effect 3 will probably be excellent as well. I'm unhappy with some of the changes from ME1(which I consider my favorite game of all time) but that's to be expected when it comes down to pleasing the minority fanbase or doing their jobs.
So yes, I trust Bioware to deliver on a fun game with a cool story, but I'd be a moron to expect everything I want, which seems to be a point lost on this community.

[1136342t54_]

crimzontearz wrote...

no I am genuinely curious

I see people saying "DA2 was not as good as DA:O, but people were expecting too much"

I fail to see the logic in the statement as a defense for DA2 or the DA team that worked on it...

Its not a defense its a explanation for some of the Sky is falling rhetoric. DA2 was supposed to be better than DAO sure I never disagreed with that. The problem is the reactions. Instead of seeing it as a dissapointment and make an attempt to express dissapointment (preferably in a way to explain what you felt wrong) many instead constantly go on and on how Bioware sucks or they no longer make RPGs. Especially the false statements saying DA2 was a utter failure. 

Like I said DA2 was supposed to be better no argument about that.

[crimzontearz]

greengoron89 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
true, for you, but objectively in the eye of the masses -apparently- and in the eyes of Inon Zur as well DA2 was a subpar rushjob compared to other Bioware productions

as for not talking about Bioware......well, the thread was about having faith in them right?? 

Please feel free to provide proof in the form of statistics regarding how many more people view DA2 "objectively" compared to those who don't.

Quoted for page 5.

crimzontearz wrote...
is it too much to expect a game at least as good as the previous installment?

Certainly not - that is a perfectly legitimate expectation to have.

What is too much is claiming a developer has utterly failed all of their fans and are on the fast track to rock bottom, almost solely as a result of said game. It is completely fallacious to make such a claim as this, based on nothing more than lukewarm reception of a single game - especially when taking into consideration the developer's past track record of excellence.

and YET....as much as anyone who knows me will tell you the ME serie is de facto the serie I spent the most time playing and the serie I consider my favorite of all times.....if you consider ME2 and the decision taken by Bioware in combination with DA2 (in particular Inon Zur's comment) AND in combination with what we are getting with these early spoilers (if true) how could you completely blame those who are losing faith (especially the core RPG crowd)?

am I one of them? hell no I just got wonderful news from Brenon actually and I am happy so far.....but I am still not judging those who are more miffed than I am......to a point

[crimzontearz]

1136342t54 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no I am genuinely curious

I see people saying "DA2 was not as good as DA:O, but people were expecting too much"

I fail to see the logic in the statement as a defense for DA2 or the DA team that worked on it...

Its not a defense its a explanation for some of the Sky is falling rhetoric. DA2 was supposed to be better than DAO sure I never disagreed with that. The problem is the reactions. Instead of seeing it as a dissapointment and make an attempt to express dissapointment (preferably in a way to explain what you felt wrong) many instead constantly go on and on how Bioware sucks or they no longer make RPGs. Especially the false statements saying DA2 was a utter failure. 

Like I said DA2 was supposed to be better no argument about that.

there is a difference between, say, a developers who attempts to make a game better than the previous one but fails to do so in spite of their best effort.....(take Halo 2 for instance, AWESOME game at the time, still Bungie failed to re-create the same feeling of the original) and a developer who does a cash in rush job (possibly prompted by the publishers as hinted by Inon Zur). But that's not here nor there. I am merely saying that the "expectations were too high" defense does not really hold any sway with me

[MACharlie1]

crimzontearz wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no I am genuinely curious

I see people saying "DA2 was not as good as DA:O, but people were expecting too much"

I fail to see the logic in the statement as a defense for DA2 or the DA team that worked on it...

Its not a defense its a explanation for some of the Sky is falling rhetoric. DA2 was supposed to be better than DAO sure I never disagreed with that. The problem is the reactions. Instead of seeing it as a dissapointment and make an attempt to express dissapointment (preferably in a way to explain what you felt wrong) many instead constantly go on and on how Bioware sucks or they no longer make RPGs. Especially the false statements saying DA2 was a utter failure. 

Like I said DA2 was supposed to be better no argument about that.

there is a difference between, say, a developers who attempts to make a game better than the previous one but fails to do so in spite of their best effort.....(take Halo 2 for instance, AWESOME game at the time, still Bungie failed to re-create the same feeling of the original) and a developer who does a cash in rush job (possibly prompted by the publishers as hinted by Inon Zur). But that's not here nor there. I am merely saying that the "expectations were too high" defense does not really hold any sway with me

If people were expecting paradise - Eden - then they were expecting too much. 

Sometimes I think people honestly expect this. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:53 .

[crimzontearz]

MACharlie1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no I am genuinely curious

I see people saying "DA2 was not as good as DA:O, but people were expecting too much"

I fail to see the logic in the statement as a defense for DA2 or the DA team that worked on it...

Its not a defense its a explanation for some of the Sky is falling rhetoric. DA2 was supposed to be better than DAO sure I never disagreed with that. The problem is the reactions. Instead of seeing it as a dissapointment and make an attempt to express dissapointment (preferably in a way to explain what you felt wrong) many instead constantly go on and on how Bioware sucks or they no longer make RPGs. Especially the false statements saying DA2 was a utter failure. 

Like I said DA2 was supposed to be better no argument about that.

there is a difference between, say, a developers who attempts to make a game better than the previous one but fails to do so in spite of their best effort.....(take Halo 2 for instance, AWESOME game at the time, still Bungie failed to re-create the same feeling of the original) and a developer who does a cash in rush job (possibly prompted by the publishers as hinted by Inon Zur). But that's not here nor there. I am merely saying that the "expectations were too high" defense does not really hold any sway with me

If people were expecting paradise - Eden - then they were expecting too much. 

Sometimes I think people honestly expect this. 

but as I said, many were just expecting a game as good as the previous one, and that did not happen........is that expecting too much?

[TheCreeper]

Mass Effect 3 is a much more important game to bioware than DA2 (and I say that as a fan of DA2) there is no way it is getting rushed in any real way, everyone involved would have to be crackjack crazy to do that.

[Darkeus]

Faith? With the way things are looking right now, I see no need to put my faith in something that is starting to look really bad.

A disaster is a brewing, I can only hope the grey clouds clear up before March 6th....

[crimzontearz]

greengoron89 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
there is a difference between, say, a developers who attempts to make a game better than the previous one but fails to do so in spite of their best effort.....(take Halo 2 for instance, AWESOME game at the time, still Bungie failed to re-create the same feeling of the original) and a developer who does a cash in rush job (possibly prompted by the publishers as hinted by Inon Zur). But that's not here nor there. I am merely saying that the "expectations were too high" defense does not really hold any sway with me

If your statement regarding Inon Zur is to be believed, he only hinted that DA2 was rushed at the prompting of the publisher.

In that case, your ire should be aimed at EA, and EA alone - Bioware is contractually obligated to fulfill such demands, much like Obsidian was obligated to rush out KOTOR 2.

And both games did indeed suffer for it - but is it truly Bioware/Obsidian's fault? I think not.

Also, I think you and I both know that, had the two developers operated under less
pressing circumstances, DA2 and KOTOR 2 would have turned out much, much better than they did.

that is to be debated. Was bioware forced to sell to EA?

also, Inon zur said flat out it was a rushjob...only hinted at the fact EA wanted to cash in on the success of DAO

but I see your point. Then there is the issue of people wondering how many more games will be "rushed out" 

[MACharlie1]

Darkeus wrote...

Faith? With the way things are looking right now, I see no need to put my faith in something that is starting to look really bad.

A disaster is a brewing, I can only hope the grey clouds clear up before March 6th....

I would love for someone to pinpoint the problems besides the fact that a beta was released accidently. And I don't mean generalizations. 

[1136342t54_]

crimzontearz wrote...

there is a difference between, say, a developers who attempts to make a game better than the previous one but fails to do so in spite of their best effort.....(take Halo 2 for instance, AWESOME game at the time, still Bungie failed to re-create the same feeling of the original) and a developer who does a cash in rush job (possibly prompted by the publishers as hinted by Inon Zur). But that's not here nor there. I am merely saying that the "expectations were too high" defense does not really hold any sway with me

I don't think you understand me when I say its not a defense or you do understand and you are continuing to push a discussion I'm not too keen on continuing since it isn't necessarily ME3 related and could easily lock this thread.

To be honest the only real bad thing about Halo 2 to me was its retarded ending. Even the Arbiter levels weren't really bad and it actually gave us a bit more information on the Covenant hierarchy.

[1136342t54_]

crimzontearz wrote...

also, Inon zur said flat out it was a rushjob...only hinted at the fact EA wanted to cash in on the success of DAO 

To be honest I would really want to see a link to that statement.