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[Reptilian Rob]

ciaweth wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

As someone who revels in story creation and creative writing, who holds two degree's in the field and has attended the Clarion University of science fiction and fantasy writing at UCSD, I can safely say that the story is a jumbled mess of pretenses and linearity that provides little to no player choice from the previous two games. 

<snipped quasi-pseudo-spoiler>

You know I love you, but if you're going to tout your creative writing prowess, you gotta get your apostrophes right.

Also, you don't know the story yet.  As someone earlier pointed out, even LotR would sound stupid when condensed and summarized at the level that these spoilers were.  So I say this with respect, but it's time to chill.  Five years from now, you will not give a tinker's damn about this issue.

Hey, no one is perfect and for someone who types like his keyboard was set aflame one grammar or syntax error is nothing to ridicule!  

And the point of this thread is to discuss our opinions, is it not? I was under the impression that was what a community and a forum was. Although, I could be mistaken.

*Refers to Marian Webster*

An assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

[Erani]

staindgrey wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Again I see people overreacting about things they do not fully understand. We're missing context so don't judge just yet.

Bioware: "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh; you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

Hah 

[Yuoaman]

Well this place is most definitely not a television program.

[staindgrey]

Yuoaman wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

As someone who revels in story creation and creative writing, who holds two degree's in the field and has attended the Clarion University of science fiction and fantasy writing at UCSD, I can safely say that the story is a jumbled mess of pretenses and linearity that provides little to no player choice from the previous two games. 

*Spoiler* 

The Rachni Queen is somehow still alive, because "LOL indoctrination." Really?

And of course that makes you the only one who knows how to properly tell this story. Obviously.


*SPOILER*

And there could have been other unhatched queens floating around in space - it's not that big of a stretch really.

Well, at the very least my stories are coherent and make sense from my previous writings. I never force a reader or even as an editor force a writer to compromise my/his/her plot settings or characters in the name of mass print.

And yes, it is that big of a stretch when the exact words in Mass Effect were "This is the last of her speices, we can't just condem her." Being that all other Rachni were under indoctrination or insane from being away from the queen. To just have a magical queen float out of nowhere would be a slap in the face to the fans who killed her off in the first game, making their choice mean effectivly, nothing. 

That is good writing, making the story coherent and canocle.

Yes, because Shepard had previously gone over ever square inch of space in the Milky Way, determining for sure that she was the last. As well, who's to say that the Reapers don't have the technology to synthesize new creatures? WAIT THEY KIND OF ALREADY DO. All they would have to do is create a new queen based off of tissue gathered on Noveria.

Also, it's "canonical".

I think what he's getting at is that it ruins the factor of choice, which is the main appeal of the franchise. It's not unlike (DAII spoiler here if you care) how, whether you choose to help Anders or not, he will still blow up the Chantry. The player's choice is then completely negated for the sake of overarching plot.

That sort of negated choice thing is EXACTLY what I don't want in ME3. I don't give a **** about multiplayer so long as we aren't pushed into the more-or-less same conclusion to ME3 regardless of what our decisions were before.

That being said, I wholeheartedly think that Yuoaman is assuming way too much and, at the moment, is running more on emotion for fuel than logic. Don't let the argument get personal.

[Reptilian Rob]

Yuoaman wrote...

Well this place is most definitely not a television program.

Note the ETC...

[St. Eve]

My fellow chaps with nothing better to do, have any of you heard something about Jacob's role in ME3?

He's like the only one I haven't found out anything about at all.

[Reptilian Rob]

staindgrey wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

As someone who revels in story creation and creative writing, who holds two degree's in the field and has attended the Clarion University of science fiction and fantasy writing at UCSD, I can safely say that the story is a jumbled mess of pretenses and linearity that provides little to no player choice from the previous two games. 

*Spoiler* 

The Rachni Queen is somehow still alive, because "LOL indoctrination." Really?

And of course that makes you the only one who knows how to properly tell this story. Obviously.


*SPOILER*

And there could have been other unhatched queens floating around in space - it's not that big of a stretch really.

Well, at the very least my stories are coherent and make sense from my previous writings. I never force a reader or even as an editor force a writer to compromise my/his/her plot settings or characters in the name of mass print.

And yes, it is that big of a stretch when the exact words in Mass Effect were "This is the last of her speices, we can't just condem her." Being that all other Rachni were under indoctrination or insane from being away from the queen. To just have a magical queen float out of nowhere would be a slap in the face to the fans who killed her off in the first game, making their choice mean effectivly, nothing. 

That is good writing, making the story coherent and canocle.

Yes, because Shepard had previously gone over ever square inch of space in the Milky Way, determining for sure that she was the last. As well, who's to say that the Reapers don't have the technology to synthesize new creatures? WAIT THEY KIND OF ALREADY DO. All they would have to do is create a new queen based off of tissue gathered on Noveria.

Also, it's "canonical".

I think what he's getting at is that it ruins the factor of choice, which is the main appeal of the franchise. It's not unlike (DAII spoiler here if you care) how, whether you choose to help Anders or not, he will still blow up the Chantry. The player's choice is then completely negated for the sake of overarching plot.

That sort of negated choice thing is EXACTLY what I don't want in ME3. I don't give a **** about multiplayer so long as we aren't pushed into the more-or-less same conclusion to ME3 regardless of what our decisions were before.

That being said, I wholeheartedly think that Yuoaman is assuming way too much and, at the moment, is running more on emotion for fuel than logic. Don't let the argument get personal.

And yes, that's exactly it. It negates the entire format of choice ME1 and 2 touch on and innovated so brilliantly. 

[Balek-Vriege]

Erani wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Again I see people overreacting about things they do not fully understand. We're missing context so don't judge just yet.

Bioware: "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh; you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

Hah 

That was a good one.

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Why are people forgetting that the dialogue refers to a non-imported fresh play-through. Of course Wrex seems to be alive... unless you killed him back in Mass Effect 1. Should I complain about the appearance of Garrus even though he died in front of me in the Suicide Mission?

It's like someone posted random bits of code. It's all jumbled and without context.
Not to mention no decisions are mention so a character who we thought would die, can be saved

This. I haven't read it but I assumed it was in regards to a non imported playthrough. 

Yep, it's the same thing I think.
Specially considering the fact that it was extracted from a half made demo that doesn't give you the option of import your character...

This pretty much sums it up as to why forming a final opinion on anything other than the super main plot spoilers (which happen regardless of choice etc) is flawed.

[MythicLegands]

St. Eve wrote...

100k wrote...

I haven't done more than glanced at the spoilers, but I'm wondering if there's any mention of Kai Leng?

Why yes!

Kai Leng ends up convincing the dumb @ss Virmire Survivor to turn on you.

You must either convince or kill the VS.

Then Kai Leng kicks your arse, steals your live Prothean and you have to choose between saving Liara or the VS jerk.

WHAT this has to be some sick kind of joke, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE.

[Yuoaman]

staindgrey wrote...
I think what he's getting at is that it ruins the factor of choice, which is the main appeal of the franchise. It's not unlike (DAII spoiler here if you care) how, whether you choose to help Anders or not, he will still blow up the Chantry. The player's choice is then completely negated for the sake of overarching plot.

That sort of negated choice thing is EXACTLY what I don't want in ME3. I don't give a **** about multiplayer so long as we aren't pushed into the more-or-less same conclusion to ME3 regardless of what our decisions were before.

That being said, I wholeheartedly think that Yuoaman is assuming way too much and, at the moment, is running more on emotion for fuel than logic. Don't let the argument get personal.

Not really, I'm just offering up my interpretation, make of it what you will.

[Chala]

St. Eve wrote...

My fellow chaps with nothing better to do, have any of you heard something about Jacob's role in ME3?

He's like the only one I haven't found out anything about at all.

Why I'm not suprised with his "disappearance" ? 

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:10 .

[don-mika]

Why Did You Let That Happen???

WHY?????????????????????

[DiegoRaphael]

1136342t54 wrote...

DiegoRaphael wrote...

When the beta leaked i've talked to some friends on another forum... "what concerns me about these game modes (story, action...) is that how they gonna make choices for you? It will be randomly? I mean, sometimes the game will choose to kill a guy, and other times it wont?

Or the decisions in game are so shallow that doesn't matter what you choose the result will be the same? DA2 was like this..."

And for what i'm reading here, im kinda worried...

Actually to be honest it depends on the way you look at it. In DAO no matter what you did you save Fereldan by killing the Archdemon. In ME3 I believe it was confirmed that you can actually lose the fight.

I was talking more about things you can't avoid in the middle of the game. Yes in DAO you always end up killing the archdemon, but to get there, there is a lot of stuff that can happens (companions leaving you, attacking you, whom you recruted to help in the final battle and so on).
But for what i'm reading, it sounds like we won't be able to prevent someones death for exemple, that there will be ocurrences you can't ever change.
Those things takes out  game replayability.

[Kaiser Shepard]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

NitrAce wrote...

Bioware, don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining. I've seen plenty of bad decisions and this sounds like one of them.

That would be awfully fun to try on a buddy.

I'm glad I don't know you in real life... 

[Someone With Mass]

MythicLegands wrote...

WHAT this has to be some sick kind of joke, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE.

That's true.

[Balek-Vriege]

MythicLegands wrote...

...choose between saving Liara or the VS jerk...

If true, I guess you're choosing Liara based off your post...

[Gh0st_00]

Spoilers now? Wow, have I been out of the loop, when did this happen?

And now I'm afraid to click on any of the threads for fear some troll has put spoilers under a misleading title.

[Yuoaman]

I don't see how things happening regardless of your choices "negates" those choices. No matter what you do, you can't change everything. People are still going to blow up Chantries if they feel like it, and eldritch space ships are going to indoctrinate space bugs.

It's going to happen, you just have to minimize the damage.

[St. Eve]

Nothing? Oh Jacob, where are thou?

I will miss your blandness and your rude refusal to talk to me.

[100k]

St. Eve wrote...

100k wrote...

I haven't done more than glanced at the spoilers, but I'm wondering if there's any mention of Kai Leng?

Why yes!

Kai Leng ends up convincing the dumb @ss Virmire Survivor to turn on you.

You must either convince or kill the VS.

Then Kai Leng kicks your arse, steals your live Prothean and you have to choose between saving Liara or the VS jerk.

A simple yes would've been adequate.