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DarkDragon777 wrote...

Tommytsunami wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Tommytsunami wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

And if we just find a deus ex machina button, then why do we even need to rally the species of the galaxy to fight the Reapers? O.o


He rallies them so someone is there to give him a pat on the back. Other wise the Turian counselor will just say that it has been disproven and you have done nothing...


Honestly I would crack up if Shep could stop the Reapers before they do any damage and that's the result .



Right now I actually hope that becomes an option!



That would be better than all of the other endings combined.



All they need to do is put that one in and one with a situation like this

Harbinger: Shepard I am your FATHER

Shepard: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Either way I'd say my two takes on the ending are about as plausible as the others... but I am of the view point that a lot could have changed since that draft was made. 

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King Minos wrote...

I am not in the wrong, this thread is to discuss the leaks not the god damn spoilers.



Not like the leaks and the spoilers are the same thing or anything...:huh:

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Someone with an inch of brainpower wouldn't go into a Story Leaks thread (without consulting just the OP since it WAS made by a dev) no expecting to get spoiled.

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****, everithing on was "fine", reading all pages and so on, till couple of pages ago... got spoilered of the end =/

**** **** ****.

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I am not in the wrong, this thread is to discuss the leaks not the god damn spoilers.



Not like the leaks and the spoilers are the same thing or anything...:huh:



Naw the leaks are about fluffy kittens and what not. No way they have anything to do with potential spoilers....

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DiegoRaphael wrote...

****, everithing on was "fine", reading all pages and so on, till couple of pages ago... got spoilered of the end =/

**** **** ****.



Sorry but the Turians disproved the Reapers.... ME3 is all a dream Shepard had

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Ryzaki and if you got a brain and can read, the op is addressing the forum that spoilers have been leaked, where does it ****ing say 'discuss the spoilers here'?! This is general discussio atleast wai. Until there is a story/plot section.

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King Minos wrote...

Ryzaki and if you got a brain and can read, the op is addressing the forum that spoilers have been leaked, where does it ****ing say 'discuss the spoilers here'?! This is general discussio atleast wai. Until there is a story/plot section.



Maybe you shoud just leave now.

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A deus ex machina ( /ˈdeɪ.əs ɛks ˈmɑːkiːnə/ or /ˈdiːəs ɛks ˈmækɨnə/ day-əs eks mah-kee-nə;[1] Latin: "god out of the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly inextricable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

The device does not intervene, and poorly fits what they've written (and mind you we don't even have the full story). If you have to work to get the desired result, it is not a DEM. It does not break the internal logic of the ME series.

And sorry, I'm not big on Minos, but he's right.  People who shout spoilers out in a public place are at the very least excercisng the anonymity of the internet to be a jerk and ruin something for someone else.  There are private groups already dedicated to discussing the implications of the leak, why do it out here?  You can be vague and responsible with the information you have rather than be a problem for someone else.

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VStar wrote...

I don't understand why anyone is upset with the basic ending outlines, taking completely out of context and without any understanding of what the "deus ex machina" everyone is referring to actually is. There are oblique references to the device in the script, but there's nothing that explicitly spells out what it is and how it comes to be. Inferences can certainly be made based upon the spoilers, and they're probably accurate, but based upon everything we've learned in the past two games, they're hardly as out-of-the-blue as you're trying to make it sound. What other ending options were you honestly expecting? These have been the outcomes everyone's been talking about since ME3's initial plot was revealed. Why are you crying foul on them now?

I mean, seriously, aside from doing X, Y, or Z to the Reapers, what did you honestly expect was going to be possible?


The Deus Ex Machina thing is getting silly.  It's a "bad word" so everyone who doesn't like something inserts it into anything epic in a plot.  The right zinger word is a good or a bad "MacGuffin."  Deus Ex Machina was a term coined to be critical of some ancient greek playrights/writers always bringing Gods/Goddesses to save the tragic hero from dieing, ressurecting him or saving the day.

"Although our tragic hero died, Zeus came down and gave him life once more for his heroics and everyone lived happily ever after. Even though there was no mention, foreshadowing or involvement of the Gods/Zeus in the story."

"The races of the Galaxy have been defeated and only a small portion of the Citadel population remains.  As the Reapers get ready to shoot their final salvo, mysterious beings of light appear from the Mass Relay destroying the Reaper fleet.  Everyone is overjoyed and before they can say thank you, the mysterious Guardians vanish back into the void."

That is true Deus Ex Machina.  A MacGuffin is:

"With the Cipher Shepard races Saren to stop him from using the Conduit and thus infiltrating the Citadel.  If Saren activates the Citadel manually, the Reapers will destroy us all."

The Conduit, Cipher and the Citadel are all MacGuffins.  They're the unique special thing(s) in which all the interesting/key plot developments revolve around and possession of one or more of them will make or break the hero or the villain.  ME2 didn't really have a MacGuffin save for the Reaper IFF and the story didn't revolve around it save for the end.

So if Shepard starts going around the Galaxy searching for a wildcard to stop the Reapers in between buying time and making alliances, that's not a Deus Ex Machina.  That's a search for the ultimate MacGuffin.  The only truly unique thing about Shep is the Cipher.  The Cipher is only useful with Prothean technology.  Unless you want to throw away the Cipher plot (similar to how ME2 did), then making it important to winning is going to involve some Prothean superweapon/knowledge key to defeating the Reapers.

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).

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Anyone could PM me the script I actually want to read it.

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King Minos wrote...

It says potential spoilers Lucos! Not the ****ing Mass Effect 3 plot! There are actual sections that made to discuss the ****ing story! Look in the Dragon Age 2 section! You have general discussion, PLOT discussion, Character and romance discussion etc etc. Jesus Christ dude use your brain!


No, YOU use YOUR brain. There is no Mass Effect 3 Plot Discussion section because we're not supposed to know about the plot yet (but we do). However, the description of this section DOES warn you about potential spoilers. So don't blame me for the fact that you go to this section against all warnings, go to a topic called STORY LEAKS and  then expect no spoilers at all. Sorry, but that's just really stupid. So please, don't blame me for your stupidness.

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King Minos wrote...

Ryzaki and if you got a brain and can read, the op is addressing the forum that spoilers have been leaked, where does it ****ing say 'discuss the spoilers here'?! This is general discussio atleast wai. Until there is a story/plot section.


People tried to make a spoiler thread. It got relinked to here. Hm...can you use your brain to realize what that means?

And you should've left a while ago. 

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DarkDragon777 wrote...

Maybe you shoud just leave now.


Maybe people should quite being dense and posting spoilers on a forum that seems to only really allow ME and ME2 spoilers?

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No fighting and swearing here please. If someone breaks teh rules, report them DO NOT confront them.

Back on topic now.



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Balek-Vriege wrote...

VStar wrote...

I don't understand why anyone is upset with the basic ending outlines, taking completely out of context and without any understanding of what the "deus ex machina" everyone is referring to actually is. There are oblique references to the device in the script, but there's nothing that explicitly spells out what it is and how it comes to be. Inferences can certainly be made based upon the spoilers, and they're probably accurate, but based upon everything we've learned in the past two games, they're hardly as out-of-the-blue as you're trying to make it sound. What other ending options were you honestly expecting? These have been the outcomes everyone's been talking about since ME3's initial plot was revealed. Why are you crying foul on them now?

I mean, seriously, aside from doing X, Y, or Z to the Reapers, what did you honestly expect was going to be possible?


The Deus Ex Machina thing is getting silly.  It's a "bad word" so everyone who doesn't like something inserts it into anything epic in a plot.  The right zinger word is a good or a bad "MacGuffin."  Deus Ex Machina was a term coined to be critical of some ancient greek playrights/writers always bringing Gods/Goddesses to save the tragic hero from dieing, ressurecting him or saving the day.

"Although our tragic hero died, Zeus came down and gave him life once more for his heroics and everyone lived happily ever after. Even though there was no mention, foreshadowing or involvement of the Gods/Zeus in the story."

"The races of the Galaxy have been defeated and only a small portion of the Citadel population remains.  As the Reapers get ready to shoot their final salvo, mysterious beings of light appear from the Mass Relay destroying the Reaper fleet.  Everyone is overjoyed and before they can say thank you, the mysterious Guardians vanish back into the void."

That is true Deus Ex Machina.  A MacGuffin is:

"With the Cipher Shepard races Saren to stop him from using the Conduit and thus infiltrating the Citadel.  If Saren activates the Citadel manually, the Reapers will destroy us all."

The Conduit, Cipher and the Citadel are all MacGuffins.  They're the unique special thing(s) in which all the interesting/key plot developments revolve around and possession of one or more of them will make or break the hero or the villain.  ME2 didn't really have a MacGuffin save for the Reaper IFF and the story didn't revolve around it save for the end.

So if Shepard starts going around the Galaxy searching for a wildcard to stop the Reapers in between buying time and making alliances, that's not a Deus Ex Machina.  That's a search for the ultimate MacGuffin.  The only truly unique thing about Shep is the Cipher.  The Cipher is only useful with Prothean technology.  Unless you want to throw away the Cipher plot (similar to how ME2 did), then making it important to winning is going to involve some Prothean superweapon/knowledge key to defeating the Reapers.

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).


And you are awesome. That's for that clarification so I can use the right word (no sarcasm). 

Will you accept a friend request? :wub:

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Luc0s wrote...

King Minos wrote...

It says potential spoilers Lucos! Not the ****ing Mass Effect 3 plot! There are actual sections that made to discuss the ****ing story! Look in the Dragon Age 2 section! You have general discussion, PLOT discussion, Character and romance discussion etc etc. Jesus Christ dude use your brain!


No, YOU use YOUR brain. There is no Mass Effect 3 Plot Discussion section because we're not supposed to know about the plot yet (but we do). However, the description of this section DOES warn you about potential spoilers. So don't blame me for the fact that you go to this section against all warnings, go to a topic called STORY LEAKS and  then expect no spoilers at all. Sorry, but that's just really stupid. So please, don't blame me for your stupidness.


False. It warns you about LOOKING for spoilers not spoilers necessarily on this thread. You keep overlooking the fact that the topic isn't about discussing story leaks but about reassuring the fan base that most of the leaks are outdated.

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BigBlackPony wrote...

So Which is it?
Outdated first drafts or legit spoilers?
Don't tell me your c&d-ing forums over first drafts that wouldn't be in the game



The First I hope, really, really hope.

#1044
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Ryzaki wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

VStar wrote...

I don't understand why anyone is upset with the basic ending outlines, taking completely out of context and without any understanding of what the "deus ex machina" everyone is referring to actually is. There are oblique references to the device in the script, but there's nothing that explicitly spells out what it is and how it comes to be. Inferences can certainly be made based upon the spoilers, and they're probably accurate, but based upon everything we've learned in the past two games, they're hardly as out-of-the-blue as you're trying to make it sound. What other ending options were you honestly expecting? These have been the outcomes everyone's been talking about since ME3's initial plot was revealed. Why are you crying foul on them now?

I mean, seriously, aside from doing X, Y, or Z to the Reapers, what did you honestly expect was going to be possible?


The Deus Ex Machina thing is getting silly.  It's a "bad word" so everyone who doesn't like something inserts it into anything epic in a plot.  The right zinger word is a good or a bad "MacGuffin."  Deus Ex Machina was a term coined to be critical of some ancient greek playrights/writers always bringing Gods/Goddesses to save the tragic hero from dieing, ressurecting him or saving the day.

"Although our tragic hero died, Zeus came down and gave him life once more for his heroics and everyone lived happily ever after. Even though there was no mention, foreshadowing or involvement of the Gods/Zeus in the story."

"The races of the Galaxy have been defeated and only a small portion of the Citadel population remains.  As the Reapers get ready to shoot their final salvo, mysterious beings of light appear from the Mass Relay destroying the Reaper fleet.  Everyone is overjoyed and before they can say thank you, the mysterious Guardians vanish back into the void."

That is true Deus Ex Machina.  A MacGuffin is:

"With the Cipher Shepard races Saren to stop him from using the Conduit and thus infiltrating the Citadel.  If Saren activates the Citadel manually, the Reapers will destroy us all."

The Conduit, Cipher and the Citadel are all MacGuffins.  They're the unique special thing(s) in which all the interesting/key plot developments revolve around and possession of one or more of them will make or break the hero or the villain.  ME2 didn't really have a MacGuffin save for the Reaper IFF and the story didn't revolve around it save for the end.

So if Shepard starts going around the Galaxy searching for a wildcard to stop the Reapers in between buying time and making alliances, that's not a Deus Ex Machina.  That's a search for the ultimate MacGuffin.  The only truly unique thing about Shep is the Cipher.  The Cipher is only useful with Prothean technology.  Unless you want to throw away the Cipher plot (similar to how ME2 did), then making it important to winning is going to involve some Prothean superweapon/knowledge key to defeating the Reapers.

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).


And you are awesome. That's for that clarification so I can use the right word (no sarcasm). 

Will you accept a friend request? :wub:


No I don't have these things you call... "Friends"

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#1045
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Oh look a dev was in here that didn't tell us to stop posting spoilers.

I wonder what that could mean.

Hmmmmmmmmm 


Balek-Vriege wrote...

No I don't have these things you call... "Friends"

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:crying: 

I see how it is! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:00 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Oh look a dev was in here that didn't tell us to stop posting spoilers.

I wonder what that could mean.

Hmmmmmmmmm 
 


Well since the dev basically told us to report those we feel are breaking the rules instead of confronting them well I'd assume the mod is speaking about whether or not the spoilers posted are breaking the rules.

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Balek-Vriege wrote...

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).


I confess I hoped for it.  Well, some additional use for the Cipher, if not a specific use.   But the lack of mention in ME2 pretty much smothered my hopes

Modifié par iakus, 07 novembre 2011 - 11:03 .


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Balek-Vriege wrote...

The Deus Ex Machina thing is getting silly.  It's a "bad word" so everyone who doesn't like something inserts it into anything epic in a plot.  The right zinger word is a good or a bad "MacGuffin."  Deus Ex Machina was a term coined to be critical of some ancient greek playrights/writers always bringing Gods/Goddesses to save the tragic hero from dieing, ressurecting him or saving the day.

"Although our tragic hero died, Zeus came down and gave him life once more for his heroics and everyone lived happily ever after. Even though there was no mention, foreshadowing or involvement of the Gods/Zeus in the story."

"The races of the Galaxy have been defeated and only a small portion of the Citadel population remains.  As the Reapers get ready to shoot their final salvo, mysterious beings of light appear from the Mass Relay destroying the Reaper fleet.  Everyone is overjoyed and before they can say thank you, the mysterious Guardians vanish back into the void."

That is true Deus Ex Machina.  A MacGuffin is:

"With the Cipher Shepard races Saren to stop him from using the Conduit and thus infiltrating the Citadel.  If Saren activates the Citadel manually, the Reapers will destroy us all."

The Conduit, Cipher and the Citadel are all MacGuffins.  They're the unique special thing(s) in which all the interesting/key plot developments revolve around and possession of one or more of them will make or break the hero or the villain.  ME2 didn't really have a MacGuffin save for the Reaper IFF and the story didn't revolve around it save for the end.

So if Shepard starts going around the Galaxy searching for a wildcard to stop the Reapers in between buying time and making alliances, that's not a Deus Ex Machina.  That's a search for the ultimate MacGuffin.  The only truly unique thing about Shep is the Cipher.  The Cipher is only useful with Prothean technology.  Unless you want to throw away the Cipher plot (similar to how ME2 did), then making it important to winning is going to involve some Prothean superweapon/knowledge key to defeating the Reapers.

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).

I love you...

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Balek-Vriege wrote...

VStar wrote...

I don't understand why anyone is upset with the basic ending outlines, taking completely out of context and without any understanding of what the "deus ex machina" everyone is referring to actually is. There are oblique references to the device in the script, but there's nothing that explicitly spells out what it is and how it comes to be. Inferences can certainly be made based upon the spoilers, and they're probably accurate, but based upon everything we've learned in the past two games, they're hardly as out-of-the-blue as you're trying to make it sound. What other ending options were you honestly expecting? These have been the outcomes everyone's been talking about since ME3's initial plot was revealed. Why are you crying foul on them now?

I mean, seriously, aside from doing X, Y, or Z to the Reapers, what did you honestly expect was going to be possible?


The Deus Ex Machina thing is getting silly.  It's a "bad word" so everyone who doesn't like something inserts it into anything epic in a plot.  The right zinger word is a good or a bad "MacGuffin."  Deus Ex Machina was a term coined to be critical of some ancient greek playrights/writers always bringing Gods/Goddesses to save the tragic hero from dieing, ressurecting him or saving the day.

"Although our tragic hero died, Zeus came down and gave him life once more for his heroics and everyone lived happily ever after. Even though there was no mention, foreshadowing or involvement of the Gods/Zeus in the story."

"The races of the Galaxy have been defeated and only a small portion of the Citadel population remains.  As the Reapers get ready to shoot their final salvo, mysterious beings of light appear from the Mass Relay destroying the Reaper fleet.  Everyone is overjoyed and before they can say thank you, the mysterious Guardians vanish back into the void."

That is true Deus Ex Machina.  A MacGuffin is:

"With the Cipher Shepard races Saren to stop him from using the Conduit and thus infiltrating the Citadel.  If Saren activates the Citadel manually, the Reapers will destroy us all."

The Conduit, Cipher and the Citadel are all MacGuffins.  They're the unique special thing(s) in which all the interesting/key plot developments revolve around and possession of one or more of them will make or break the hero or the villain.  ME2 didn't really have a MacGuffin save for the Reaper IFF and the story didn't revolve around it save for the end.

So if Shepard starts going around the Galaxy searching for a wildcard to stop the Reapers in between buying time and making alliances, that's not a Deus Ex Machina.  That's a search for the ultimate MacGuffin.  The only truly unique thing about Shep is the Cipher.  The Cipher is only useful with Prothean technology.  Unless you want to throw away the Cipher plot (similar to how ME2 did), then making it important to winning is going to involve some Prothean superweapon/knowledge key to defeating the Reapers.

We should have seen this coming.  Actually a lot of people did (some as far back as ME1).


To be honest that little convo with Liara in Lair of the Shadow broker hinted at a possible Prothean superweapon.

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1136342t54 wrote...
Well since the dev basically told us to report those we feel are breaking the rules instead of confronting them well I'd assume the mod is speaking about whether or not the spoilers posted are breaking the rules.


If you *feel* someone was breaking the rules. Notice he doesn't bother saying anyone actually *is* breaking rules.