Saphra Deden wrote...
Good, now Cerberus has gone from "gray" to black and they use clones. How thought provoking.
Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:53 .
SilentNukee wrote...
Blacklash93 wrote...
Nope. Barely anything on the romances in the leak.SilentNukee wrote...
This isn't really a spoiler, but from the leakage that I obviously don't want to read into, does it say which romances can be s/s?
Oh alright, well thanks anyway.
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I think it was just a very dark gray. Anyway, Bioware likes to see every choice as morally gray, even when it clearly isn't.
DuskWarden wrote...
Having scanned the script, you can tell it is just that - a rough script, which you will be unable to judge the game from.
Modifié par Bluko, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:55 .
Saphra Deden wrote...
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I think it was just a very dark gray. Anyway, Bioware likes to see every choice as morally gray, even when it clearly isn't.
Bioware loves the idea of morally gray but they don't know that well how to write it or implement it.
They should talk to Bethesda. Bethesda actually knows how to do it.
Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:55 .
Well, that is kind of what this thread is for....sponge56 wrote...
Right first off, STOP YELLING OUT THE MOTHERHUMPING SPOILERS. Dont turn BSN into something I have to avoid because you twazzoks can't keep your mouths shut
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Balek-Vriege wrote...
They only became "Grey" when Shepard was ressurected and that was only the Lazarus Project cell.
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
Do they? Fallout has the karma meter that likes to tell me if what I did was wrong or right. Doesn't leave much room for gray.Saphra Deden wrote...
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I think it was just a very dark gray. Anyway, Bioware likes to see every choice as morally gray, even when it clearly isn't.
Bioware loves the idea of morally gray but they don't know that well how to write it or implement it.
They should talk to Bethesda. Bethesda actually knows how to do it.
Quole wrote...
Elaborate plzSanojio wrote...
Since I refuse to read the leak and become spoiled, I tested the waters going through over 20 pages of bull**** and complaining.
What I've gathered:
If this is anything like the GOW3 leak almost 8 months before and a complete leak 2 months prior to release and Microsoft lying to save face, then this is a complete disaster and this is NOT as rough as they want you to believe despite one or two scenes being completely different.
This was apparently only 60% since the romance and most squaddies weren't written. Like no Garrus.
Multiple endings, which pleases me.
One of the endings is just terrible, absolutely shambolic.
It's not a bad story and has its epic moments, but the several bad parts are really, really terrible.
Cover everything?
nanananananananaBluko wrote...
DuskWarden wrote...
Having scanned the script, you can tell it is just that - a rough script, which you will be unable to judge the game from.
This. So much this.
I believe I have now seen the full amount of information detailing the leak. It doesn't much change my opinion from the second hand information I received before.
Although I have already seen conflicting information regarding spoilers. (People messing up details, or being just plain wrong.) I'm pretty sure the script notes I saw were legit as I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of creating fake plot notes in such length. I would very much take anyone releasing so-called "spoilers" with a grain of salt. It's pretty obvious some folks have a vendetta against Bioware and will go to ridiculous lengths to cast shadows of doubt on them.
There really isn't sufficient information for anyone to conclude whether the plot as whole will be good or bad. Most of the spoilers are bits of mission details that could hardly be considered spoilers in the first place. You could very well end up seeing half this stuff in various trailers for the game yet.
Yes there are a few spoilers regarding the story. However considering how rough these notes are I wouldn't be surprised to see names and locations changes. I mean basically what I saw was stuff like:
Bomb goes off. Character _ says Run.
Bomb goes off. Character _ says Duck.
My impression coming away from this was pretty neutral. The only thing I saw for certain was that your decisions from the past games are for sure going to result in very different experiences in ME3. I don't think there'll be branching missions/storylines per say (anyone who believed there would ever be such is way too idealistic). But depending on what you've done before the composition of said missions (who you fight, who dies, who lives. etc.) is going to be very different.
Oh well I know about that ffs.Sanojio wrote...
Quole wrote...
Elaborate plzSanojio wrote...
Since I refuse to read the leak and become spoiled, I tested the waters going through over 20 pages of bull**** and complaining.
What I've gathered:
If this is anything like the GOW3 leak almost 8 months before and a complete leak 2 months prior to release and Microsoft lying to save face, then this is a complete disaster and this is NOT as rough as they want you to believe despite one or two scenes being completely different.
This was apparently only 60% since the romance and most squaddies weren't written. Like no Garrus.
Multiple endings, which pleases me.
One of the endings is just terrible, absolutely shambolic.
It's not a bad story and has its epic moments, but the several bad parts are really, really terrible.
Cover everything?
All I'm going to say is I was spoiled on ONLY two things, Kai Leng and the Rachni. The Rachni one, if it is accurate, I have no response except LOL. And Kai Leng is worthy of being Anderson's most hated foe from the novel and despite how retarded it is, does some stupid **** with Shepard.
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Balek-Vriege wrote...
No they don't. They just let the player do whatever they want and define it for themselves.
Modifié par Saphra Deden, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:00 .
If they were truly grey areas.. then why do they give you good/bad karma?Saphra Deden wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
No they don't. They just let the player do whatever they want and define it for themselves.
No, wrong. Tenpenny Tower dealt with gray via' the nature of its primary instigators. You have the oppressed and the oppressor but both have good and bad points. The oppressor feels threatened and you discover that feeling is justified. The oppressed feels outcast and misrepresented, and they are, but you also discover they are now blood thirsty. If you try to get both parties to play along one side cruelly murders the other.
The other bit of grey was the Pitt.
You have a slave owner who is trying to rebuild the world. He knows that without slavery nobody would willingly work in this environment. He plans to free the slaves, someday, but that day is uknonwn and meanwhile the slaves are treated brutally. The opposition wants freedom now but they are willing to use an innocent child as a pawn to do this. They also can't promise the same vision as the slave leader was once free they have little reason to stay.
Neither the slave leader or the slave owner are wholly bad or wholly good. Both have understandable goals that can't be reconciled but you can only choose one or the other.
Saphra Deden wrote...
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I think it was just a very dark gray. Anyway, Bioware likes to see every choice as morally gray, even when it clearly isn't.
Bioware loves the idea of morally gray but they don't know that well how to write it or implement it.
They should talk to Bethesda. Bethesda actually knows how to do it.
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
I did like Tenpenny Tower, but again, it was hard to see it as gray when the game gave me a massive karma hit for doing what I did, basically telling me I made the "wrong" choice.Saphra Deden wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
No they don't. They just let the player do whatever they want and define it for themselves.
No, wrong. Tenpenny Tower dealt with gray via' the nature of its primary instigators. You have the oppressed and the oppressor but both have good and bad points. The oppressor feels threatened and you discover that feeling is justified. The oppressed feels outcast and misrepresented, and they are, but you also discover they are now blood thirsty. If you try to get both parties to play along one side cruelly murders the other.
The other bit of grey was the Pitt.
You have a slave owner who is trying to rebuild the world. He knows that without slavery nobody would willingly work in this environment. He plans to free the slaves, someday, but that day is uknonwn and meanwhile the slaves are treated brutally. The opposition wants freedom now but they are willing to use an innocent child as a pawn to do this. They also can't promise the same vision as the slave leader was once free they have little reason to stay.
Neither the slave leader or the slave owner are wholly bad or wholly good. Both have understandable goals that can't be reconciled but you can only choose one or the other.
Modifié par Cthulhu42, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:05 .
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Quole wrote...
If they were truly grey areas.. then why do they give you good/bad karma?
Quole wrote...
Well, that is kind of what this thread is for....
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I did like Tenpenny Tower, but again, it was hard to see it as gray when the game gave me a massive karma hit for doing what I did, basically telling me I made the "wrong" choice.
Saphra Deden wrote...
That is because Bioware can't write grey. If they wanted Cerberus to be grey then in ME2 they should have avoided having Cerberus do anything nasty. Overlord and Teltin shouldn't have been there or should have been handled differently. Shepard should have been able to press them on their actions in ME1 and recieve reasonable (but controversial) explanations.
Are you sure about the pitt? I could have SWORE it did.Saphra Deden wrote...
Quole wrote...
If they were truly grey areas.. then why do they give you good/bad karma?
The Pitt doesn't give you karma either way. As for Tenpenny Tower, who cares? The karma is stupid and you shouldn't need it to tell you whether something is grey or not.
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