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[Balek-Vriege]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

It's not really terrorism if you ask me.  Sounds more like merciless guerilla warfare.  Terrorism is about commiting politically charged violent acts to cause terror and fear, forcing a government or group to change it's ways.  Cerberus would have to be aiming for some political victory for it to be terrorism.

Guerilla warfare makes more sense since Cerberus is trying to achieve military/personal victories by destabilizing Galactic forces through chaos, while gaining the "trust" of the Reapers.  This scenario buys TIM the most time to do what he thinks needs to be done (whatever that is).

Not necessarily. The motivation doesn't have to be political, it just usually is in most examples that we've seen. The sole goal is to inspire fear, usually a sort of message goes along with that, but it doesn't have to be so.

And yes, I would know. The Air Force has taught me these things.

Edit for spelling.

Fine it's terrorism...

...combined with Guerilla Warfare.

[Yuoaman]

DiebytheSword wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I just thought of an experiment, to end all debates of whether this is mostly out of date, or mostly still in effect.

We get the final copy of the game, in it's box, then read the plot summary with the knowledge that things have changed since. Therefore, until we open the box and play the game, everything is both out of date and in the game at the same time.

I call it, Schrödinger's Plot

My mind has been blown.

Schrödinger's Cheez says your mind is blown and not blown at the same time.  Until we open the box.

Man, it's going to be a mess either way when that box is opened.

[PsychoWARD23]

IF YOURE PoSTING SPOILERS THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THR EFFING FONT OR SOMEHINV HOLY CHRIST YES I MAD

[Yuoaman]

You walked into the Story Leak thread and are angry that the story was leaked to you, alright.

[CDRSkyShepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I just thought of an experiment, to end all debates of whether this is mostly out of date, or mostly still in effect.

We get the final copy of the game, in it's box, then read the plot summary with the knowledge that things have changed since. Therefore, until we open the box and play the game, everything is both out of date and in the game at the same time.

I call it, Schrödinger's Plot

My mind has been blown.

This is so full of win.

And Balek, for the record, I don't believe Cerberus fits the definition of "terrorists" because they don't seem to intend to inspire fear. However, they do, so it's understandable why they would be viewed that way by the people that fear them.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:40 .

[Yuoaman]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I just thought of an experiment, to end all debates of whether this is mostly out of date, or mostly still in effect.

We get the final copy of the game, in it's box, then read the plot summary with the knowledge that things have changed since. Therefore, until we open the box and play the game, everything is both out of date and in the game at the same time.

I call it, Schrödinger's Plot

My mind has been blown.

This is so full of win.

And, for the record, I don't believe Cerberus fits the definition of "terrorists" because they don't seem to intend to inspire fear. However, they do, so it's understandable why they would be viewed that way by the people that fear them.

They're not "intentional" terrorists, but they can still be considered terrorists technically.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Yuoaman wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I just thought of an experiment, to end all debates of whether this is mostly out of date, or mostly still in effect.

We get the final copy of the game, in it's box, then read the plot summary with the knowledge that things have changed since. Therefore, until we open the box and play the game, everything is both out of date and in the game at the same time.

I call it, Schrödinger's Plot

My mind has been blown.

This is so full of win.

And, for the record, I don't believe Cerberus fits the definition of "terrorists" because they don't seem to intend to inspire fear. However, they do, so it's understandable why they would be viewed that way by the people that fear them.

They're not "intentional" terrorists, but they can still be considered terrorists technically.

Then you could consider everyone not you to be terrorists...

[Yuoaman]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I just thought of an experiment, to end all debates of whether this is mostly out of date, or mostly still in effect.

We get the final copy of the game, in it's box, then read the plot summary with the knowledge that things have changed since. Therefore, until we open the box and play the game, everything is both out of date and in the game at the same time.

I call it, Schrödinger's Plot

My mind has been blown.

This is so full of win.

And, for the record, I don't believe Cerberus fits the definition of "terrorists" because they don't seem to intend to inspire fear. However, they do, so it's understandable why they would be viewed that way by the people that fear them.

They're not "intentional" terrorists, but they can still be considered terrorists technically.

Then you could consider everyone not you to be terrorists...

Babies don't cause widespread fear, though... at least not most babies.

[MythicLegands]

wait so the climax of the series revolves around earth?

if so that sounds disappointing.

But the highjack of the citadel seems awesome and funny for some reason.

[fett51]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why does the "ends justifies the means" have to mean nasty? Take Teltin for example. Why was that necessary? We already got the "brutal biotic school" story from Kaidan. There was no need to repeat it.

Cerberus was grey enough just by being nationalistic, willing to use Shepard's friends as bait, and willing to send Shepard into traps. They were grey by being outlaws and employing the odd bigot who was sympathetic to their cause.

It doesn't always mean nasty, but frequently the "safest" or easiest path is a brutal one, and with no moral restrictions of course Cerberus is going to go straight for the nasty option when applicable.  Only putting Cerberus in situations where they aren't motivated to do anything really horrible misrepresents that kind of ideology which defeats the point of examining it. 

[Xeranx]

Just figured out the color code. Gotta love firefox stuff sometimes. Wish chrome had it too.

Use the following: {color=rgb(50, 50, 50)}{/color}. The braces { } should be replaced with brackets [ ].

That way you can put in spoilers (if necessary) without ruining anything for anyone. Just make sure you mark the spoilers with a "Spoiler:" tag before doing so.

Modifié par Xeranx, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:54 .

[DiebytheSword]

I will weigh in that I don't consider Cerberus to be terrorists. I consider them to be akin to James Bond organizations like Spectre, however, they have a goal that they believe is in the best interest in all of humanity everywhere instead of gaining money and influence for power's sake. That said, some of their cell leaders commit atrocities in the name of this greater cause that makes them akin to certain questionable government backed scientists and businesses during World War II.

Cerberus is not something that should have ever been trusted, their methods are too extreme too often, and TIM was skirting the line many times with Shep in ME2, blatantly using him and his team as bait.

Major spoiler follows

For instance, Ceberus appears to not be working for the Reapers, it appears to be trying to control the reapers to dominate the galaxy through force and usurp the position of this Guardian character that speaks for the race that created the Reapers.  For this to work, TIM needs the Reapers to not get destroyed by Shepard.  That is, of course, provided that the story leak is accurate still.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:57 .

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

fett51 wrote...

It doesn't always mean nasty, but frequently the "safest" or easiest path is a brutal one, and with no moral restrictions of course Cerberus is going to go straight for the nasty option when applicable.  Only putting Cerberus in situations where they aren't motivated to do anything really horrible misrepresents that kind of ideology which defeats the point of examining it. 

Some of it is just gratuitous. Why should controlling the geth involve torturing an autistic man? Why should Cerberus seek to repeat (BUT TO THE EXTREEEEEEEME) what the Alliance did with biotics? Why is there no explanation for Akuze or the other experiments?

Not to mention Ascension.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, no thanks. That's just a clever trick to get me to spend my money before knowing if it is worth it or not.

Dude, it's a joke.

Also, (s)he's right--we really have no idea how things will turn out.

Though a story that pisses you off will probably make me very happy.  We seem to have completely opposite tastes, plus, you know, I do get my kicks from a little schadenfreude every once in a while.

But only with you, babe.

Seriously, best internet rivalry ever, amirite?

[Quole]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, no thanks. That's just a clever trick to get me to spend my money before knowing if it is worth it or not.

Dude, it's a joke.

Also, (s)he's right--we really have no idea how things will turn out.

Though a story that pisses you off will probably make me very happy.  We seem to have completely opposite tastes, plus, you know, I do get my kicks from a little schadenfreude every once in a while.

But only with you, babe.

Seriously, best internet rivalry ever, amirite?

Only with him eh?

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, no thanks. That's just a clever trick to get me to spend my money before knowing if it is worth it or not.

Dude, it's a joke.

Also, (s)he's right--we really have no idea how things will turn out.

Though a story that pisses you off will probably make me very happy.  We seem to have completely opposite tastes, plus, you know, I do get my kicks from a little schadenfreude every once in a while.

But only with you, babe.

Seriously, best internet rivalry ever, amirite?

Hey now, Xil is already everyone's rival in one area or another. :')

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Not to mention Ascension.

Ascension was fine and it would have made Cerberus more understandable if the "quarians find a Reaper to control the geth plot" actually went anywhere and wasn't just a redherring. Suddenly TIM's desire to crack the fleet's security codes would seem like a good idea.

Idk.. getting back Gillian hardly seems like it justifies killing hundreds/thousands of innoncent people.

Modifié par Quole, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Hey now, Xil is already everyone's rival in one area or another. :')

Only in the TIM thread.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Quole wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, no thanks. That's just a clever trick to get me to spend my money before knowing if it is worth it or not.

Dude, it's a joke.

Also, (s)he's right--we really have no idea how things will turn out.

Though a story that pisses you off will probably make me very happy.  We seem to have completely opposite tastes, plus, you know, I do get my kicks from a little schadenfreude every once in a while.

But only with you, babe.

Seriously, best internet rivalry ever, amirite?

Only with him eh?

Awww poor Quole!

I'll hate you for no reason!

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Hey now, Xil is already everyone's rival in one area or another. :')

Only in the TIM thread.

Nah, there she is mainly Saph's rival. Dave gets her when it comes to Templars and mages, whereas Seb and I share her when it comes to -sexuality in ME3.

Yeah, we have a rather complicated relationship.