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[txgoldrush]

DarthCaine wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

As for A/K and Liara, it seems like the variants occur due to two points in that quest. If Shepard convinces A/K that Kai Leng is the enemy, than Shep will have to choose between A/K and Liara.

If A/K turns on Shep, there is no choice on who to save, Liara automatically survives.

I didn't see this part anywhere

They are in the file.

[ElitePinecone]

Are those Kei Leng scenes identical, though? I can see at least three versions of what looks like the samw thing. 

Spoilers (highlight to read)

The first version has the A/K confrontation ending in their possible death, then the fight with Kai Leng in the cathedral on Thessia.

"Ash/Kaidan now steps out of the shadows accompanied by Kai Leng. ... Shepard must convince A/K he's not a murderer and that Kai Leng is the true enemy, or he'll have to kill her. With A/K resolved, Shepard then has an epic battle with Kai Leng and Cerberus reinforcements over who gets the Prothean (still frozen a trance). The war outside intensifies, with windows, roofs, walls, etc. blowing out in bomb attacks, giving a spectacular view of Thessia under fire. Kai Leng wins the fight regardless, sending Shepard crashing down through a stain-glassed window. The last thing Shepard sees before he blacks out is Kai Leng leaving with his new Prothean prize.

The second one says a confrontation happens, then Kai Leng interrupts. The post-fight scene mentions *both* Liara and the VS, and requires that a choice be made. This indicates that perhaps the choice to kill A/K isn't given. 

"Upon entering the catherdral the squad approaches the artifact. The prothean shares some words with Shepard and activates the device. As the Prothean is lifted up into the air (as Shepard was on Eden Prime in ME1) A/K enters from the hidden entrance and confronts Shepard.

The conversation is quickly interrupted by Kai Leng and a fight begins. ... As he trys to collect himself it becomes apparent that the Prothean is gone, A/K and Liara are in serious trouble, and Shepard has been horribly wounded.

The third one implies that there's no confrontation with the VS, and nobody dies at all...

"As Kai Lengs defenses wear down he moves to draw Shepard away from the Prothean. Once sufficiently damaged Kai Leng jumps. In cut scene, Kai Leng lands in a safe position and detonates explosives he's rigged into the area (away from the artifact). In a bright flash Shepard and the squad are hit with the full brunt of the blast.

While Shepard reels from the explosion Kai Leng closes the distance and knocks Shepard into one of the holes created by the explosion. As Shepard crawls back up, it becomes apparent that the Prothean is gone. Shepard rouses his remaining henchmen and leaves, hanging his head in defeat...

It's a little confusing, actually. 'Are these all the same scene on Thessia with the Prothean?'

Edit: Gargh, hope I got that right the second time. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[CrazyRah]

Hmm those scenes are really interesting. Yeah i can say that they're a little confusing

Anyone still got the documents and could please pm me them? Would love to take a look at them.

[Harmless Citizen]

Was this meant to be a spoiler discussion thread? Because I just spoilt myself further than I did when I read the plot events that were messaged to me by some **** friend claiming they were his "theory."

[Tavalero]

BW has wasted not only as an opportunity. It would also do this so that, if one end of ME2 is the collector base to the TIM, that one would have to fight in ME3 Alliance soldiers, we need to represent in the missions simply take Cerberus Alliance soldiers and one soldier end where the TIM his performance would have, Admiral Hakett his appearance.

And there are certainly more opportunities for the BW can be easy. Too bad, would have done better ME3.

Furthermore, I am convinced that all important decisions in ME2 (Tali, Legion, Modin, collector base), no matter what one chooses to lead in ME3 always the same result. Say: Whatever I decide at Talis Loyal mission in ME3 they will always play the same role. Likewise, I am convinced it behaves well in Legion, no matter what you decide, it is always in ME3 Heretics.

In my opinion, it should really be so, until proof to the contrary, I assume, are we simply ripped from BW only.
For that I give no money from determined.

[KotorEffect3]

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

[KotorEffect3]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

Yeah, that's why cease and desist orders are being given out like candy, eh?

They are just protecting their product that doesn't mean it is done.  Besides the script is still vague on details.  Some people just like to complain and hate. 

[LGTX]

Well, everyone has the right to like/hate the skeleton draft which got leaked. But like it or not, ultimately it's all about the delivery, at least when it comes to Bioware. The script I read could be presented as a cliche-soaked and uninspired excuse for a conclusion, or an epic with great set pieces and personal drama which ties up lots of loose ends. We may know WHAT they'll tell, probably vaguely but still, now we wait to see HOW they'll tell it. Not any less interesting.

[morrie23]

Gave the script a quick read, my thoughts:
Plot generally doesn't sound too bad, presented well it could turn pretty well.
BioWare really doesn't seem to like the VS. I really hope BW have changed how the VS is portrayed in the leak.
For certain mission, are we forced to take certain squadmates?
The writers like Babylon 5.
TIM is a fraking idiot.

Modifié par morrie23, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[DarthCaine]

morrie23 wrote...


For certain mission, are we forced to take certain squadmates?

The way I gather it, Vega and Liara (+DLC Prothean) are the only permanent squad mates and there's lots of temporary squad mates. BioWare went extra lazy with consequences and chose only the squad mate that isn't optional.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[DarthCaine]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

I'm not a hater, but how come I knew the butt-kissers will continue to lick BioWare's balls no matter what ME3's story was? As for the story, they might change a few minor things, but the majority IS set in stone.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

They are just protecting their product that doesn't mean it is done. 

Keep telling yourself that

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Besides the script is still vague on details.

O RLY? The ending, the retconned minimal consequences, 90% of the story all seem pretty clear to me.

Some people just like to complain and hate. 

As opposed to worshipping your ultimate god BioWare ?

I didn't see anything wrong with the script and kinda liked it (all BioWare games except KOTOR have generic cliche mediocre plots, but it's their presentation that's great). ME3 will probably be as great as ME2.

I've accepted the fact that in ALL BioWare games your choices have little or no consequences (face it, this isn't CD Projekt we're talking about).

It's just that blind arrogant fanboys like you really ****** me off.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

Yeah, that's why cease and desist orders are being given out like candy, eh?

That and there are these things called "shareholders" and they can get pretty testy about this other thing called "profit".  They like it when companies take action to protect this "profit" dealie (doesn't really matter that said actions may ultimately be futile either), and don't like it when they don't and are like to start going on about other things like "negligence" and "lawsuits" when that happens (or rather, fails to happen).

Modifié par didymos1120, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:40 .

[KotorEffect3]

DarthCaine wrote...

[It's just that blind arrogant fanboys like you really ****** me off.

What doesn't ****** off a negative nancy?

[KotorEffect3]

[quote]DarthCaine wrote...

[O RLY? The ending, the retconned minimal consequences, 90% of the story all seem pretty clear to me.




Way to jump to conclusions on details that are sketchy at best.  Good thing you aren't on a jury you would jump to conclusions before hearing all of the evidence.

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

That and there are these things called "shareholders" and they can get pretty testy about this other thing called "profit". 

How much does Bioware pay you?

What, you're somehow unaware that EA's a publicly traded company?  You really don't think they'd want to at least appear proactive after something like this?  Do you think this somehow looks good to shareholders?  And I'm not saying you're wrong, BTW, but you're neglecting that there are other factors as far as the cease-and-desist thing goes. 

[Dariustwinblade]

From what I interpreted the vs/Liara situation.

Convince the VS or Kill him.

If killed Liara automatically survives.

If VS survived you can choose between Liara and VS. If you failed and was defeated by Kai Lang.

Regardless you fight Lang. You can hold him back or be utterly defeated. Regardless Lang wins his mission and defeats you by fighting dirty.

If held back both Vs and Liara lives.

If defeater you choose between the two.

[Darji]

LGTX wrote...

Well, everyone has the right to like/hate the skeleton draft which got leaked. But like it or not, ultimately it's all about the delivery, at least when it comes to Bioware. The script I read could be presented as a cliche-soaked and uninspired excuse for a conclusion, or an epic with great set pieces and personal drama which ties up lots of loose ends. We may know WHAT they'll tell, probably vaguely but still, now we wait to see HOW they'll tell it. Not any less interesting.

the big problem here is that as fan you feel betrayed in your journey because of the ending end how most of your journey was never important to begin with.

[KotorEffect3]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

From what I interpreted the vs/Liara situation.

Convince the VS or Kill him.

If killed Liara automatically survives.

If VS survived you can choose between Liara and VS. If you failed and was defeated by Kai Lang.

Regardless you fight Lang. You can hold him back or be utterly defeated. Regardless Lang wins his mission and defeats you by fighting dirty.

If held back both Vs and Liara lives.

If defeater you choose between the two.

So I guess the resident liara haters are going to get their asses kicked on purpose.

[CptData]

The only thing about the current (and hopefully outdated) story I don't like is:

---spoiler---
You have three points where you can get the VS killed. Two were Shepard has to shot the VS by him/herself and one by deciding against the VS in favor of Liara.

I'm fine with the drama, but why it has to be the VS to get killed that easily? For the drama?
Also I predict you have at least one of the ME-cast in the Virmire 2.0 situation. Either VS or Liara or both at the same time, so you have to decide either against the VS or Liara. I predict 80% of the players will go for Liara.

So Liara even gets here some kind of plotarmor while the VS is the one without any plotarmor anymore. I can live with that, but I dislike the fact Liara is still favored by the game.

[ElitePinecone]

CptData wrote...

The only thing about the current (and hopefully outdated) story I don't like is:

---spoiler---
You have three points where you can get the VS killed. Two were Shepard has to shot the VS by him/herself and one by deciding against the VS in favor of Liara.

I'm fine with the drama, but why it has to be the VS to get killed that easily? For the drama?
Also I predict you have at least one of the ME-cast in the Virmire 2.0 situation. Either VS or Liara or both at the same time, so you have to decide either against the VS or Liara. I predict 80% of the players will go for Liara.

So Liara even gets here some kind of plotarmor while the VS is the one without any plotarmor anymore. I can live with that, but I dislike the fact Liara is still favored by the game.

Yeah, I mentioned this above - but I reckon those three points are all the same scene. 

The leaked file isn't one linear plot by any means, it's full of drafts and repetitive sections with name changes, or updated bits. As people have noticed it's incredibly jumbled. Sometimes the same scene is repeated verbatim in different sections. 

All of those three points you mentioned with the VS happen in (I think) the same Kai Leng confrontation scene, in a cathedral on Thessia. I'm reasonably sure that they're all redrafts of the same section - and notice that in one of them, nobody in your squad dies at all. 

[CptData]

ElitePinecone wrote...

CptData wrote...

The only thing about the current (and hopefully outdated) story I don't like is:

---spoiler---
You have three points where you can get the VS killed. Two were Shepard has to shot the VS by him/herself and one by deciding against the VS in favor of Liara.

I'm fine with the drama, but why it has to be the VS to get killed that easily? For the drama?
Also I predict you have at least one of the ME-cast in the Virmire 2.0 situation. Either VS or Liara or both at the same time, so you have to decide either against the VS or Liara. I predict 80% of the players will go for Liara.

So Liara even gets here some kind of plotarmor while the VS is the one without any plotarmor anymore. I can live with that, but I dislike the fact Liara is still favored by the game.

Yeah, I mentioned this above - but I reckon those three points are all the same scene. 

The leaked file isn't one linear plot by any means, it's full of drafts and repetitive sections with name changes, or updated bits. As people have noticed it's incredibly jumbled. Sometimes the same scene is repeated verbatim in different sections. 

All of those three points you mentioned with the VS happen in (I think) the same Kai Leng confrontation scene, in a cathedral on Thessia. I'm reasonably sure that they're all redrafts of the same section - and notice that in one of them, nobody in your squad dies at all. 

Still spoilery spoilers

I dunno. For me they looked like three different scenes - or at least wo. One "Virmire 2.0" and one "shot-the-VS-by-yourself".

Doesn't matter if these scenes make it into the game or not - it just seems as if BW guys want you killing the VS. And yes, since there's all the distrust between Shepard and the VS while Liara even saved his life and stood loyal, it's easy to sacrifice the VS in favor of her. I however want to go down the road with the VS. It's just cruel I have to decide between VS and Liara. That's the worst decision ever ...

[RiouHotaru]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

Yeah, that's why cease and desist orders are being given out like candy, eh?

People need to do their research.  MICROSOFT handed out C&D orders.  Not Bioware.
Bioware actually hasn't done a thing besides keep the talk of the leaks limited to this thread and Jessie's official reply.

Bioware is not sweating bullets like people are claiming they are.  So what does that say?

[didymos1120]

RiouHotaru wrote...

People need to do their research.  MICROSOFT handed out C&D orders.

What gave you that notion?  MS has neither the authority to be, nor interest in, issuing C&D's for Bioware's intellectual property.  They have no rights at all as far as the story leak goes.  All they did was make it so the beta could no longer be downloaded or played. 

ETA: Here's a clue: go look at the yanked Youtube videos of the beta.  Notice who got them pulled?  It wasn't Microsoft.

Modifié par didymos1120, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:33 .