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[IanPolaris]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

Yeah, that's why cease and desist orders are being given out like candy, eh?

People need to do their research.  MICROSOFT handed out C&D orders.  Not Bioware.
Bioware actually hasn't done a thing besides keep the talk of the leaks limited to this thread and Jessie's official reply.

Bioware is not sweating bullets like people are claiming they are.  So what does that say?

Really?  Seems to me that if Bioware was telling the truth then Microsoft wouldn't bother with the C+D.  MS is bothering because Bioware is mad at them (and honestly with very good reason) and is afraid there will be real damages.  That would only be true is the script leaked was nearly final (and it almost certainly is....it's way too late in the Dev cycle for it to not be nearly final).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

didymos1120 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

People need to do their research.  MICROSOFT handed out C&D orders.

What gave you that notion?  MS has neither the authority nor interest in issuing C&D's for Bioware's intellectual property.  All they did was make it so the beta could no longer be downloaded nor played. 

Well.....that's not entirely true.  Anyone can issue a C&D letter for any reason even those that are complete BS.  In this case MS clearly wanted to scare NeoGaf into censoring it's own board....and did.  Pity.  I would almost consider this a SLAPP.

-Polaris

[didymos1120]

IanPolaris wrote...

Well.....that's not entirely true.  Anyone can issue a C&D letter for any reason even those that are complete BS.  In this case MS clearly wanted to scare NeoGaf into censoring it's own board....and did.

What's the source for MS being behind the NeoGAF thing?

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

How come I knew the haters would complain no matter what ME3's story was? BTW this leaked stuff isn't exactly set in stone. Far from it.

Yeah, that's why cease and desist orders are being given out like candy, eh?

People need to do their research.  MICROSOFT handed out C&D orders.  Not Bioware.
Bioware actually hasn't done a thing besides keep the talk of the leaks limited to this thread and Jessie's official reply.

Bioware is not sweating bullets like people are claiming they are.  So what does that say?

Really?  Seems to me that if Bioware was telling the truth then Microsoft wouldn't bother with the C+D.  MS is bothering because Bioware is mad at them (and honestly with very good reason) and is afraid there will be real damages.  That would only be true is the script leaked was nearly final (and it almost certainly is....it's way too late in the Dev cycle for it to not be nearly final).

-Polaris

I still don't get this argument.  What makes people think everything in the TLK is the actual final script and not just the collection of ideas.  Did anyone see the previous posts where info was datamined from LotSB and Kasumi's DLC?  Not everything in those made it into the final product, and even some of what did had changes made to it.

So where's the evidence that absolutely EVERYTHING found in the datamine is present in the game in the form it was found in the datamine?

...I'm waiting.

[didymos1120]

Nevermind, appears I was wrong.

[onelifecrisis]

I've been avoiding this thread because of spoilers but now I have to know. Rather than read 63 pages, can someone please just answer me these questions? Spoilers are fine. So, according to the leaked doc...

1. What difference does the ME1 Rachni decision make, if any?
2. What difference does the ME1 Council decision make, if any?

[RiouHotaru]

didymos1120 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Well.....that's not entirely true.  Anyone can issue a C&D letter for any reason even those that are complete BS.  In this case MS clearly wanted to scare NeoGaf into censoring it's own board....and did.

What's the source for MS being behind the NeoGAF thing?

Here's a quote from Gamespot, but there's a few other game news sites reporting it:

www.gamespot.com/news/mass-effect-3-beta-leaks-online-6344472

And though BioWare's response to the leak could be seen as conciliatory, Microsoft's was decidedly less so. After the aforementioned NeoGAF thread disclosing details on the beta was deleted by forum administrators, a second thread questioning this move was created. As part of that thread, NeoGAF message board owner EviLore disclosed that his team had decided to remove the original, spoiler-rich thread after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from Microsoft.

[ElitePinecone]

CptData wrote...
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I dunno. For me they looked like three different scenes - or at least wo. One "Virmire 2.0" and one "shot-the-VS-by-yourself".

Doesn't matter if these scenes make it into the game or not - it just seems as if BW guys want you killing the VS. And yes, since there's all the distrust between Shepard and the VS while Liara even saved his life and stood loyal, it's easy to sacrifice the VS in favor of her. I however want to go down the road with the VS. It's just cruel I have to decide between VS and Liara. That's the worst decision ever ... '

Yeah. The mangling of the way it's all presented means it's really hard to tell.

I agree, it's a horrible choice (which I guess is the point). I really hope there's a way out of it. Even though one character is built up so much more than the other in terms of what they do for Shepard, I'd still find it enormously difficult. 

[GreenSoda]

RiouHotaru wrote...
I still don't get this argument.  What makes people think everything in the TLK is the actual final script and not just the collection of ideas.  Did anyone see the previous posts where info was datamined from LotSB and Kasumi's DLC?  Not everything in those made it into the final product, and even some of what did had changes made to it.

So where's the evidence that absolutely EVERYTHING found in the datamine is present in the game in the form it was found in the datamine?

...I'm waiting.

I'm quite sure the "chassis" of the final product will be different, but BW sure as hell won't switch the engines along the way.

Do you really believe, for example, that we will get *really* different endings (as compared to the leaked ones) to ME3 ?

[didymos1120]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Here's a quote from Gamespot, but there's a few other game news sites reporting it:

Yeah, I'd already found one of those sites:

didymos1120 wrote...

Nevermind, appears I was wrong.

[RiouHotaru]

Sorry Did, I posted my link before realizing you'd said you found it. My bad

[CptData]

ElitePinecone wrote...

CptData wrote...
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I dunno. For me they looked like three different scenes - or at least wo. One "Virmire 2.0" and one "shot-the-VS-by-yourself".

Doesn't matter if these scenes make it into the game or not - it just seems as if BW guys want you killing the VS. And yes, since there's all the distrust between Shepard and the VS while Liara even saved his life and stood loyal, it's easy to sacrifice the VS in favor of her. I however want to go down the road with the VS. It's just cruel I have to decide between VS and Liara. That's the worst decision ever ... '

Yeah. The mangling of the way it's all presented means it's really hard to tell.

I agree, it's a horrible choice (which I guess is the point). I really hope there's a way out of it. Even though one character is built up so much more than the other in terms of what they do for Shepard, I'd still find it enormously difficult. 

Lets say, if I can take ABC instead of VS and DEF instead of Liara for the same scene, I'll do that. There are characters I care less than for VS (most cared) and Liara (a good friend and loyal) so it's better to pick one of them. I just don't wanna decide between two characters of the "original cast".

I'm not the biggest Liara fan, but I'll pick her over of most of the ME2 cast. Still. With exception of Miranda and Mordin *g*.

[Dariustwinblade]

@cptdata you know you can NOT get asskicked by Leng. And save both. Only an incompetant Shepard can get Liara killed.

[RiouHotaru]

GreenSoda wrote...
I'm quite sure the "chassis" of the final product will be different, but BW sure as hell won't switch the engines along the way.

Do you really believe, for example, that we will get *really* different endings (as compared to the leaked ones) to ME3 ?

Actually I do.  The endings in the datamine aren't far-fetched.  I sort of expected variations along the lines of:

Reapers Stopped using Method 1, Earth Saved
Reapers Stopped using Method 1, Earth Destroyed
and so on and so forth.

Again, just because it's present in the TLK doesn't guarantee it was used in the game.

[didymos1120]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sorry Did, I posted my link before realizing you'd said you found it. My bad

Nah, nothing to apologize for. Thanks for going to the trouble anyway.

[CptData]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

@cptdata you know you can NOT get asskicked by Leng. And save both. Only an incompetant Shepard can get Liara killed.

I dunno. Have two variants of the leaked story, one "complete" (what a mess to read) and one condensed to the stuff dealing with A/K aka VS.

I hope I can avoid that entire Virmire 2.0 event. I simply want to keep as much squadmates as possible alive and go for the "perfect ending" BW promised us. Even if it's not in that (outdated early storyline).

[Dariustwinblade]

Choosing between the vs or Liara is not a choice but an Ingame consequense forcing you to NOT LOSE! I LIKE IT. Weak players will have to choose strong players can have both.

[ElitePinecone]

onelifecrisis wrote...

I've been avoiding this thread because of spoilers but now I have to know. Rather than read 63 pages, can someone please just answer me these questions? Spoilers are fine. So, according to the leaked doc...

1. What difference does the ME1 Rachni decision make, if any?
2. What difference does the ME1 Council decision make, if any?

1. It looks like the Reapers find (or recreate) the Rachni regardless of your decisions. A corrupted, Reaperised Rachni Queen is a plot point on one world. 

However, there's also a sidequest relating to the 'real rachni' (it looks like), so it may be possible that the genuine Queen sends aid if you saved her. 

2. It's hard to say. A lot of the game that isn't shooting things requires diplomacy and negotiating alliances with various species. It's possible that the Council makeup helps or hinders this.

There's also a significant scene with Councilor Udina (as Anderson resigned even if you made him Councilor, to become an Admiral) and his... machinations with the Council. This may be affected by the Council makeup. 

The leaked story does have references to alien council members, but they seem to be all in quest descriptions (which presumably would be there only for save games that had the Council saved in ME) - it's hard to tell whether the Council contains alien members regardless of your decisions in ME. 

[Nerevar-as]

If someone gets killed because of cutscene incompentence the backlash is going to be big.

[RiouHotaru]

didymos1120 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sorry Did, I posted my link before realizing you'd said you found it. My bad

Nah, nothing to apologize for. Thanks for going to the trouble anyway.

It's fine, I was sort of surprised.  The assumption was Bioware was issuing the C&D and what not.  But I really feel that their reaction to the beta leak is much like Eidos' reaction to the DX:HR leak.  I mean, the thread locking makes perfect sense in order to keep the discussing from just avalanching everywhere.  But aside from that and Jessie's statement, they seem fine.  I've watched vids of the beta on Youtube, and the reaction is (surprise surprise!) overwhelming positive.

I'm pretty sure Bioware isn't really that worried beyond giving MS the look and going "You dun goofed".

[CptData]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Choosing between the vs or Liara is not a choice but an Ingame consequense forcing you to NOT LOSE! I LIKE IT. Weak players will have to choose strong players can have both.

I simply don't get it - if the player is in the situation s/he has to choose between VS and Liara the game is already lost? Or do you have to do that decision if you want to WIN the game?
That's something I can't fully read out.

[RiouHotaru]

I'm fairly certain in the case of the "Forced deaths" that we find, that there will likely be a way to avoid them. ME1 had a fairly optimal ending. ME2 has an also fairly optimal ending. Why would ME3 be any different. Forcing deaths the way Virmire did only works when done right, and shouldn't be done more than once, really.

[Rosettastoned122]

Okay so, these leaks came from the beta that is supposedly very old, so why not assume that the story docs are just as old if not older

[wolf99000]

I am not putting to much stock in this leaked stuff it has to be old as I dont see the point of adding same sex romances just to have the people speculated about all die in some way so for me I am hoping this stuff was before the same sex romances were added

also I dont see there being one good ending I can see a few one where you all live and win the war and some where you win but the cost is much higher