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[WhiteKnyght]

I remember hearing it said that in DAIII we're gonna see the consequences of the choices we've made in the previous games(even though people still bash DAII after the devs said 3 will show it.). And I'm wondering which choices are most likely to have a negative impact on the future of Thedas.

My assumption would be

Letting the demon keep Connor/Letting him live. - Yes I know ethically speaking it's better to save the child. But the boy has proven that when in desperation he caves. In the future he could end up doing something really bad.

Performing the Dark Ritual - I watched Beowolf recently and it got me to wondering. You were offered a deal to sire a child for someone just like Beowolf did. But his son was a dragon and came back to destroy his kingdom and he was forced to kill it. So we may well have to kill Morrigan's son if the Dark Ritual was performed.

Helping/Killing Renvil Harrowmont - If you put Bhelen on the throne and help Harrowmont 2.0, he might come back with an army to take Orzammar from Bhelen and possibly a lot of people could get mixed up in it. And if you preserve the Anvil, he might have control rods from Kal-Sharok and take control of the Golems after Branka inevetably dies from seclusion.

Sparing/Killing the Arishok - This could have a negative effect either way. One way the Arishok decides that Thedas needs the Qun. And the other, the Qunari as a whole want payback.(You saw what they did to Petrice. They are not above revenge.)

Sparing/Killing Anders - Besides the fact that the guy is a step away from being an abomination. Letting him live turns Sebastian into a revenge obsessed monster. Threatening to subjugate an entire city of innocent people for what Anders did makes him as bad as Meredith. Actually worse, because he doesn't need the idol to push him over the deep end.

I also expect that some of the other mini quests like those undying demons and even the Vigilance sword quests might have an impact. (For all we know, not having Vigilance in the world could doom us all. )

[Jaulen]

Letting Sloth have Fenryil, or for that matter letting Fenryil go to Tevinter

Modifié par Jaulen, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Inprea]

What do you mean bite us in the rear exactly? Are we talking about storyline wise or are we talking about experience and item wise?

I don't believe I'll regret any of my decisions regardless of the outcome except for perhaps letting Varric keep the shard of the idle. I would really have to put him down however I also understand that this could be his only chance of curing his brother. Often you do need some of the original poison to make a cure.

Well that and possible not destroying the final evil book from act two. However, I really hate to destroy knowledge even if that knowledge is dangerous. To me it's all in the application.

[TJPags]

I remember hearing after playing DAO and DAA that we'd be able to import our choices into DA2 and that they would matter.

Didn't happen.

Don't really care if DA3 recognizes those decisions from DAO/DAA/WH. The lack of recognition in DA2, and the lack of decisions in DA2 ended my interest in this kind of carry over.

[IanPolaris]

If the spoilers for Mass Effect 3 are any indications as well as DA2, then none of our decisions will bite us in the arse because none of those decisions will actually matter.

Go team bioware! (sarc)

-Polaris

[Brockololly]

TJPags wrote...

I remember hearing after playing DAO and DAA that we'd be able to import our choices into DA2 and that they would matter.

Didn't happen.

Don't really care if DA3 recognizes those decisions from DAO/DAA/WH. The lack of recognition in DA2, and the lack of decisions in DA2 ended my interest in this kind of carry over.

Pretty much this.


To boot, if you're just playing as a new PC every game anyway, its not like any of the possible consequences from Hawke or the Warden's actions will be personally relevant to the new PC. They'll just be some new dude getting blowback from some other person's actions. They'll just be collateral damage.

If they want consequences to matter, they need to keep the consequences being felt by the PC making the corresponding choice.

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Performing the Dark Ritual - I watched Beowolf recently and it got me to
wondering. You were offered a deal to sire a child for someone just
like Beowolf did. But his son was a dragon and came back to destroy his
kingdom and he was forced to kill it. So we may well have to kill
Morrigan's son if the Dark Ritual was performed.

And thats an interesting story for Beowulf since he was the one facing the consequences for his own actions. Since we're never playing as the Warden again, any consequences from the DR would be felt by some other person. So it wouldn't be nearly as emotionally engaging as if you were playing as the Warden involved in the DR. having to face the consequences of that choice.

But its not like BioWare will do anything of note with the DR anyway. At most they'll just railroad it or handwave it to a common point like they're doing with most everything from ME1 and ME2 in ME3.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:13 .

[Tyrium]

I like the carryover. It's good to, for example, see that Alistair is still a warden in my playthrough, or Anora is recognised as queen. Yes, these facts don't impact Hawke directly, but they do make it clear that *that* warden and *that* hawke exist in the same "universe", and provide continuity between games.

[upsettingshorts]

None.

I mean really how many of you even play BioWare games. Nothing bites you in the ass.

[Mr.House]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

None.

I mean really how many of you even play BioWare games. Nothing bites you in the ass.

[Lord_Valandil]

TJPags wrote...

I remember hearing after playing DAO and DAA that we'd be able to import our choices into DA2 and that they would matter.

Didn't happen.

Don't really care if DA3 recognizes those decisions from DAO/DAA/WH. The lack of recognition in DA2, and the lack of decisions in DA2 ended my interest in this kind of carry over.

Pretty much this, yeah.
The decisions in DA:O and DA: A didn't matter. At all.
And in DA2 there's barely some choice that made an impact. Maybe because the game was rushed. Perhaps because the devs were lazy.
Or both.

[PantheraOnca]

Dear Everyone Who Wants To Complain About Lack of Choice in DA2,

Please stop. Don't reply. Go to another thread.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
P.O.

Back to the OP:

Werewolves. Golems. Dark Ritual. Architect. Sibling choice. Keran. Feynriel. She-Corypheus will be infinity times worse than He-Corypheus.

That's all I got for now.

[ad1dash0lm3s]

I hope the impact is bigger. The only impact on DAII was some dialogue and a few quests, other than that everything else was the same.

Modifié par ad1dash0lm3s, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Lord_Valandil]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Dear Everyone Who Wants To Complain About Lack of Choice in DA2,

Please stop. Don't reply. Go to another thread.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
P.O.

Dear PantheraOnca

Due to the lack of choice in DA2, how are we supposed to expect that something will come to bite us in the arse in DAIII? It's simple logic. No meaningful choices, no consequences.
You liked DA2? That's perfect, no one here is bashing people who liked the game. Or am I wrong?
Please, stop complaining about other people.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
L_V

[Asch Lavigne]

I would add two more things to the list.

1. Who you sided with at the end of DA2
2. The fate of the Architect

and 3 I guess (because it is DLC) the ending to Legacy.

[Augustei]

Putting Alistair on the throne alone seems to already have bitten us in the arse a bit.. The throne being weakened and everyone doubting he is a theirin causing him to have trouble within his own lands =(.. However some monarch's facing the same problem seem to have done alright despite this problem

[TJPags]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Dear Everyone Who Wants To Complain About Lack of Choice in DA2,

Please stop. Don't reply. Go to another thread.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
P.O.

Back to the OP:

Werewolves. Golems. Dark Ritual. Architect. Sibling choice. Keran. Feynriel. She-Corypheus will be infinity times worse than He-Corypheus.

That's all I got for now.

In all honesty, my post was less a complaint about the lack of choice in DA2 as it was the lack of meaningful impact of any choices made in DAO/DAA.

Choose the ruler of Ferelden?  One of them never appears or is even heard from in DA2.

Choose the ruler of Orzamar?  Get to run into a few dwarves on the docks.

Do the DR (or not)?  Who cares.

Go into the Eluvian or not?  Who cares, Warden's MIA either way.

Don't recruit Anders?  He's a Warden anyway.

Don't recruit Justice?  He meets and merges with Anders anyway.

Kill Leliana?  Ooopps.

For all the talk about importing choices into DA2, there was a remarkable lack of reason to do so.  I honestly can't think of a single choice made in DAO/DAA that had any impact in DA2.  In fact, I can think of a few that were simply handwaved off with either a "we wrote a story about it, go read it" or a "we have an explanation, we just didn't tell you".

So, yea, I'm not concerned about the lack of choice in DA2 so much (I was, but it's not the point of my prior response, or this one) as I am the lack of recognition of choices from DAO/DAA.  I have no desire to wait for DA3 (ror perhaps DA4) to see this impact, or be "bitten in the arse".

[Lord_Valandil]

TJPags wrote...
Choose the ruler of Ferelden?  One of them never appears or is even heard from in DA2.

Choose the ruler of Orzamar?  Get to run into a few dwarves on the docks.

Do the DR (or not)?  Who cares.

Go into the Eluvian or not?  Who cares, Warden's MIA either way.

Don't recruit Anders?  He's a Warden anyway.

Don't recruit Justice?  He meets and merges with Anders anyway.

Kill Leliana?  Ooopps.

Give lands to the Dalish? They are nomads in DA2 anyway.
Kill Oghren in Origins? He "pulls a Leliana" in Awakening.
Sided with the Architect? Does it matter? Who cares?
Handed Anders to the Templars? He comes back.

And of course...the choices in DA2 don't matter at all.
You can choose not to help Anders, he blows up the Chantry anyway...and so on.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[I Like Cats And]

If some evil guy came using Vigilance I think it'd be pretty rad to have to fight someone using your wardens signature weapon.

[Sir JK]

The things suggested here sounds like a nice list. Though I'd argue that in some cases, no matter what you do, will the choice come round and hit someone, which might be the protagonist. Alistair will weaken the throne and die childless, leaving the field open for the most ruthless of the Bannorn. Whereas Anora will probably destroy her political opposition and also die childless but with an appointed successor.
Bhelen rules as a "benevolent" tyrant and dismisses the assembly and Harrowmont is controlled by a radical assembly.
All those things will come round (though wether we're the victims or not might vary), as will many lesser I'm sure.

However, they will not be plot-altering or truly significant. The reason being that every choice we made could also not have been made. WHich is to say that either the consequences will hit us regardless of what we chose or they'll at best just hit us in a minor way.
In prewritten media, characterisation comes at the price of customisation. As long as we can choose away something. It will never be significant. Since they'd essentially have to write two games... for every two way choice with significance.

Will we see these things again? Yes, I think so. Will some of them affect us negatively? Yes, I believe that too. Will they have main plot relevance or equalient? Eh, a rather unrealistic expectation.

[snfonseka]

 We all saw how our decisions in DA:O bite us in the arse in DA2. <_<

[cihimi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

None.

I mean really how many of you even play BioWare games. Nothing bites you in the ass.

I once had sex with one of my crew. She bit me in the ass, literally and figuratively (with that damned scale itch).

[Vegos]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I would add two more things to the list.

1. Who you sided with at the end of DA2
2. The fate of the Architect

and 3 I guess (because it is DLC) the ending to Legacy.

Actually, I think no matter who you sided with at the end of DA2, the outcome will be pretty much the same: Thedas will burn. In a local discussion, I actually compared Anders' act with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo. It was the trigger that set in motion a chain of events nobody could stop, no matter what side they were on. An all-out war follows, and it's going to be devastating. It doesn't matter who gains the upper hand in the long run, if scorched earth is all that's left of spoils of war.

As for the Architect? I agree, that one is the one most likely coming back to bite us if you ask me, really. (I was also annoyed at having to kill him or let him go right there, with no "I'll deal with you later" option).

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:10 .

[seraphymon]

didn't you or someone make this exact thread some time ago? I remember the name of this almost exactly to the point.

Modifié par seraphymon, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Augustei]

greengoron89 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Putting Alistair on the throne alone seems to already have bitten us in the arse a bit.. The throne being weakened and everyone doubting he is a theirin causing him to have trouble within his own lands =(.. However some monarch's facing the same problem seem to have done alright despite this problem

That's why it's best to convince Alistair and Anora to marry and rule jointly - it will alleviate these problems as far as I'm aware.

Nah I'm not doing that, Anora reminds me to much of Cersei Lannister from A song of ice and fire and Denethor II Steward of Gondor from Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. She has vain ambition and feels she has the right to deny a Theirin the throne.. Besides rulers with problems similar to Alistairs have proven quite sucessful in consolidating their power like Constantine the Great did with his government by promoting Christianity... Of course things fell apart later due to his reckless spending and laws passed.. But thats another matter.

Sure in the epilogue it is shown her internal politics are better than Alistairs (I dont like to metagame though) But her international politics and involving other races are inferior to Alistairs

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:12 .