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[IanPolaris]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Oh geez way to jump to conclusions on sketchy details that are dated at this point.  There is nothing in the details that indicate that your choices will not matter.

I wish I could believe that, but the fact your choices don't apparently matter one damn bit is all too consistant with the drek that BW has been putting out lately, and those files are too detailed and have generated far too much legal action by Bioware (not to mention overaggressive damage control) for me to believe that those files are dated.  I think (and Game Informer does too) that those files are pretty much 90% of what we will in fact see in ME3 and that means that our choices DON"T MATTER. 

-Polaris

Have you actually read the story? Because if you had, you'd know that your choices do make huge difference.

Yes I have and no they don't (I mean the choices you made in ME1 and ME2).  The only choices that matter are the ones you make in ME3.

-Polaris

[Darji]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Oh geez way to jump to conclusions on sketchy details that are dated at this point.  There is nothing in the details that indicate that your choices will not matter.

I wish I could believe that, but the fact your choices don't apparently matter one damn bit is all too consistant with the drek that BW has been putting out lately, and those files are too detailed and have generated far too much legal action by Bioware (not to mention overaggressive damage control) for me to believe that those files are dated.  I think (and Game Informer does too) that those files are pretty much 90% of what we will in fact see in ME3 and that means that our choices DON"T MATTER. 

-Polaris

Have you actually read the story? Because if you had, you'd know that your choices do make huge difference.

when. does anything matter in ME3 what you have decided in ME1 and 2. Even in ME3 there is not much what will matter in the end. Just like in ME2.

[RiouHotaru]

 You forget.  The people complaining about the datamine believe that the datamine covers ALL possible variables and ALL possible outcomes, so of course, they see what they believe is their decisions "not mattering".

However there's absolutely no evidence of this.  Nothing even in the leak gives any indication these are the sole choices and sole variables.

But it makes their arguments more valid, so they stick with it anyway.  After all, conceding to the possibility that you could be wrong is a terrible thing to do when making an argument! (not really, it actually makes your argument stronger when you can openly concede weakness)

[LGTX]

IanPolaris wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Oh geez way to jump to conclusions on sketchy details that are dated at this point.  There is nothing in the details that indicate that your choices will not matter.

I wish I could believe that, but the fact your choices don't apparently matter one damn bit is all too consistant with the drek that BW has been putting out lately, and those files are too detailed and have generated far too much legal action by Bioware (not to mention overaggressive damage control) for me to believe that those files are dated.  I think (and Game Informer does too) that those files are pretty much 90% of what we will in fact see in ME3 and that means that our choices DON"T MATTER. 

-Polaris

Have you actually read the story? Because if you had, you'd know that your choices do make huge difference.

Yes I have and no they don't (I mean the choices you made in ME1 and ME2).  The only choices that matter are the ones you make in ME3.

-Polaris

That's not entirely correct, but then again, this isn't exactly an argument I want to have right now. Just skim the thing again and try and imagine stuff without the predefined default ME1-2 playthrough the script has set for itself.

[IanPolaris]

LGTX wrote...

That's not entirely correct, but then again, this isn't exactly an argument I want to have right now. Just skim the thing again and try and imagine stuff without the predefined default ME1-2 playthrough the script has set for itself.

I have.  At best the differences are superficial.  The supposedly big choices you made in ME1 such as the Rachni Queen (I mention this one only because a prior poster pointed this particular one out on this thread) don't matter at all.  It also takes away the entire moral character from the choice in Me1 since it turns out that you didn't commit genocide after all.  In short, the Rachni queen choice is a non-choice and that's pretty much consistant with the other big choices.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Well, you obviously didn't read it all because you'd know that if you kill certain people, other certain people die or things change.

Yes I know about that such as

ACK...need to learn how to hide spoilers....but they are superficial.

but those choices are completely superficial.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:17 .

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Well, you obviously didn't read it all because you'd know that if you kill certain people, other certain people die or things change.

Yes I know about that such as

ACK...need to learn how to hide spoilers....but they are superficial.

but those choices are completely superficial.

-Polaris

Wait wait...you're claiming first there's no real choice.  Then you're saying there are choices.  But now the choices are superficial?  What, were you expecting every importable decision to change the entire game?

[Kaiser Shepard]

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Well, you obviously didn't read it all because you'd know that if you kill certain people, other certain people die or things change.

Yes I know about that such as

ACK...need to learn how to hide spoilers....but they are superficial.

but those choices are completely superficial.

-Polaris

Wait wait...you're claiming first there's no real choice.  Then you're saying there are choices.  But now the choices are superficial?  What, were you expecting every importable decision to change the entire game?

Of course, but at least some of them should affect something. So far it's like the Ashley/Kaidan decision, which changed only a couple of lines, or the Destiny Ascension one.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:24 .

[IanPolaris]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

LGTX wrote...

That's not entirely correct, but then again, this isn't exactly an argument I want to have right now. Just skim the thing again and try and imagine stuff without the predefined default ME1-2 playthrough the script has set for itself.

I have.  At best the differences are superficial.  The supposedly big choices you made in ME1 such as the Rachni Queen (I mention this one only because a prior poster pointed this particular one out on this thread) don't matter at all.  It also takes away the entire moral character from the choice in Me1 since it turns out that you didn't commit genocide after all.  In short, the Rachni queen choice is a non-choice and that's pretty much consistant with the other big choices.

-Polaris

Haha, it does actually but neeeever mind..

No it doesn't.  I've read the files.  I have an entire laundry list of big decisions that should matter in ME3 but don't or matter on only an entirely superficial way (like the VS decision on Virmire).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Of course, but at least some of them should affect something. So far it's like the Ashley/Kaidan decision, which changed only a couple of lines, or the Destiny Ascension one.

Exactly my point.  The big decisions are taken away from you pretty much completely.  Way to respect your customers and be honest about their choices mattering (or not).

-Polaris

[onelifecrisis]

Adugan wrote...

Sue Microsoft

I've been wondering about that actually. I'm no lawyer but I should think that they could sue MS for, well, something.

[GodWood]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Okay, okay.. you believe what you want to believe <_<..

Well what should he believe, the hacked files or the person who is simply denying them?

I'd go with the former myself.

Modifié par GodWood, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[onelifecrisis]

GodWood wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Okay, okay.. you believe what you want to believe <_<..

Well what should he believe, the hacked files or the person who is simply denying them?

I'd go with the former myself.

I do wonder sometimes just how many times the BSN "naysayers" have to be proved right before the BSN ostriches will start to listen...

[IanPolaris]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

GodWood wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Okay, okay.. you believe what you want to believe <_<..

Well what should he believe, the hacked files or the person who is simply denying them?

I'd go with the former myself.

It's up to him. Not my problem .

Deny it all you like.  These files probably cost BW at least one sale (mine).

-Polaris

[Kaiser Shepard]

onelifecrisis wrote...

GodWood wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Okay, okay.. you believe what you want to believe <_<..

Well what should he believe, the hacked files or the person who is simply denying them?

I'd go with the former myself.

I do wonder sometimes just how many times the BSN "naysayers" have to be proved right before the BSN ostriches will start to listen...

They'll never listen; I've seen this countless of times before: Legion's role in ME2, the PS3 version of ME2, Multiplayer in ME3, and ME3's pre-order character.

I've been right each and every time, and will continue to be just that.

[Travie]

If Bioware was a person I'd give it a big hug :3

Definitely a tough week, but maybe they will take some fan input to heart and make this into an opportunity to make the game better.

[IanPolaris]

Travie wrote...

If Bioware was a person I'd give it a big hug :3

Definitely a tough week, but maybe they will take some fan input to heart and make this into an opportunity to make the game better.

I hope they do, but unless they push back the release date once again (remember that ME3 was supposed to be coming out this month originally), I don't see how they can.  There simply isn't enough time left to fix the story into something reasonable at this late stage.

-Polaris

[onelifecrisis]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

GodWood wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...
Okay, okay.. you believe what you want to believe <_<..

Well what should he believe, the hacked files or the person who is simply denying them?

I'd go with the former myself.

I do wonder sometimes just how many times the BSN "naysayers" have to be proved right before the BSN ostriches will start to listen...

They'll never listen; I've seen this countless of times before: Legion's role in ME2, the PS3 version of ME2, Multiplayer in ME3, and ME3's pre-order character.

I've been right each and every time, and will continue to be just that.

Denial springs eternal.

[CroGamer002]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Microsoft didn't put the TLK files in this "Private Beta".

But Microsoft's incompetence made that Beta to be leaked.

[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Travie wrote...

If Bioware was a person I'd give it a big hug :3

Definitely a tough week, but maybe they will take some fan input to heart and make this into an opportunity to make the game better.

I hope they do, but unless they push back the release date once again (remember that ME3 was supposed to be coming out this month originally), I don't see how they can.  There simply isn't enough time left to fix the story into something reasonable at this late stage.

-Polaris

The only context you have on the story is delievered only through rough text. You have no dialouge, no pictures, no nothing to base how the delievey of it would be in the actual game itself so you saying that the story isn't reasonable based on text that only gives a general out-dated and narrowed viewed (not giving every solution, yes from the looks of this these are based off a default Shepard). All you can do is assume like the rest of us so don't act you know what is going to happen when its not even finished.