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[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Wait...Ian. You're judging the final quality of the gameplay...based on a rough beta that wasn't meant to be played by public yet? What?

And you know Ian, it's not all or nothing. There is a middle option:

'Reserve judgment'

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."  I "reserved judgement" on Dragon Age 2.

Fooled me once.

Never again.  Until Bioware regains my trust, I will consider the worst possible scenario/interpretation to be the most accurate especially when the bulk of the available evidence backs this.  I hadn't really commented (much) on the game play because I was aware it was a beta, but it did increase my anxiety.  The leaked plot pushed it over the edge since I know that the "old" plot is almost certainly not that old.  Yes minor details may differ, but the leaked story is almost certainly the straight skinny.

-Polaris

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

[Rykoth]

Until Bioware regains your trust. LOL.
You do realize the Mass Effect team is not the same as the Dragon Age team right? If it was, I'm pretty sure ME3 wouldn't be coming out in March.

And again. Look at context. Don't judge until you play... ah forget it. You are obviously decided on blasting Bioware without knowing the truth.

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."  I "reserved judgement" on Dragon Age 2.

Fooled me once.

Never again.  Until Bioware regains my trust, I will consider the worst possible scenario/interpretation to be the most accurate especially when the bulk of the available evidence backs this.  I hadn't really commented (much) on the game play because I was aware it was a beta, but it did increase my anxiety.  The leaked plot pushed it over the edge since I know that the "old" plot is almost certainly not that old.  Yes minor details may differ, but the leaked story is almost certainly the straight skinny.

-Polaris

But...Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two different games made by two different teams.  How one game came out should have NOTHING to do with the other.

Also, potentially being 4-6 months outdated (or more) is a long ass time.  We don't know how long the TLK files have been there, or how long the actual script was in use.  Claiming that the datamine is the story as is when you lack any evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) just makes you look like you're being paranoid.

Again, show proof that the leaked story is indeed the absolute final draft.

[CroGamer002]

IanPolaris wrote...

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."  I "reserved judgement" on Dragon Age 2.

Fooled me once.

Never
again.  Until Bioware regains my trust, I will consider the worst
possible scenario/interpretation to be the most accurate especially when
the bulk of the available evidence backs this.  I hadn't really
commented (much) on the game play because I was aware it was a beta, but
it did increase my anxiety.  The leaked plot pushed it over the edge
since I know that the "old" plot is almost certainly not that old.  Yes
minor details may differ, but the leaked story is almost certainly the
straight skinny.

-Polaris

Dragon Age 2 has different developer team.


And ME1 is very guilty of recycling maps and ME team fixed that for ME2.



Also this files outdate E3.
At least outdate E3, it can be way older.

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[nitefyre410]

jamesp81 wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

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So... really, all I can say is, people on this forum need to take a friggin chill pill and stop freaking out over nothing. Be angry at Microsoft for leaking the demo. Be angry at the morons for datamining and spoiling the world. Don't be angry at Bioware until you've actually played the game.

SO Far I actully if not for having money on the damn game, wouldn't want to play it more and more I find. Having my team killed off reguardless isn't fun, having to do the VS **** again isn't fun, being stuck mostly with people I don't like on my team isn't fun, turning into a ****in Reaper isn't fun. Its all Bull****. I play games for fun, and the story where the hero win's.

I'm still sticking with it however as I hope all of that changes.

I agree completely with you, except that we don't know for sure that we're forced into those things.  What was released is an early draft and very incomplete.  We're probably seeing only a small number of possible outcomes and story arcs.  Many of those story arcs probably won't even be in the final game at all.

I'll wait for the game to come out.  If I come to BSN and find out that all that stuff is forced, then I'll know to save my money and play something else.  Until then, I know nothing.

 


Well  sounds like just   how I expected things to go - instead of the sticking with the story as It was  playing out they started to pass the Idoit Ball, Drama Ball and other crap around to satisfy the  need for "Drama" and "Realism". Which I have always said  if you don't have from the start  - if you try to force  those into the story  makes things look worst. Still that being said I am going reserve judgement until *I*  myself  sit down and play the game - not read some beta build data mined script that could have, can be and must likely changed.  Still geting it first day and going to complete the story - because I started it and I will damn will finish it. Now where I rank  ME 3 in terms of  last games like MGS 4 and others is up to what I play and see when I get  and play the game not a Beta script.  

[IanPolaris]

Rykoth wrote...

Until Bioware regains your trust. LOL.
You do realize the Mass Effect team is not the same as the Dragon Age team right? If it was, I'm pretty sure ME3 wouldn't be coming out in March.

And again. Look at context. Don't judge until you play... ah forget it. You are obviously decided on blasting Bioware without knowing the truth.

I am well aware that the Dev teams are different. So what?  EA is the one that calls the shots and the pattern of late has been glaringly obvious.  The one reason I was willing ot give ME3 a chance until this last weekend was because ME had a different Dev team that hopefully learned it's lessons from the DA2 debacle....but apparently they did not.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Genshie wrote...

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

What been happening lately in Bioware goes far beyond a "single flub".

-Polaris

[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Until Bioware regains your trust. LOL.
You do realize the Mass Effect team is not the same as the Dragon Age team right? If it was, I'm pretty sure ME3 wouldn't be coming out in March.

And again. Look at context. Don't judge until you play... ah forget it. You are obviously decided on blasting Bioware without knowing the truth.

I am well aware that the Dev teams are different. So what?  EA is the one that calls the shots and the pattern of late has been glaringly obvious.  The one reason I was willing ot give ME3 a chance until this last weekend was because ME had a different Dev team that hopefully learned it's lessons from the DA2 debacle....but apparently they did not.

-Polaris

 OMG OLD SCRIPT THAT PREDATES E3 that is a rough draft of story has been leaked! That we have no idea how it will be delievered except through rough text! *Cancels Preorder*
I am sorry but you are starting to sound like a real Nancy Drew here. I would hate watching movies with you that you have already watched.

[IanPolaris]

Genshie wrote...

 OMG OLD SCRIPT THAT PREDATES E3 that is a rough draft of story has been leaked! That we have no idea how it will be delievered except through rough text! *Cancels Preorder*
I am sorry but you are starting to sound like a real Nancy Drew here. I would hate watching movies with you that you have already watched.

The problem is the story that was leaked is almost certainly in it's near final form even if it's as "old" as you claim.  The sheer logistics of making a game (esp in two years) demands this.  The basic complaint about lack of respect for ME1 and ME2 are impossible to correct that late in the game dev cycle (even if it's as old as you think which I doubt).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Arcian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

What been happening lately in Bioware goes far beyond a "single flub".

-Polaris

I don't really care that this is off-topic, but why do people sign their posts like this when their usernames are easily visible over their avatars?

Very old habit that was useful back in usenet/mailing list days.

-Polaris

[Genshie]

Arcian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

What been happening lately in Bioware goes far beyond a "single flub".

-Polaris

I don't really care that this is off-topic, but why do people sign their posts like this when their usernames are easily visible over their avatars?

 It is a eeepeeen thing. Makes it look nice whatever. It is like my post looks nice than yours kind of thing. A dick contest? Something along one of those lines.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Arcian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

What been happening lately in Bioware goes far beyond a "single flub".

-Polaris

I don't really care that this is off-topic, but why do people sign their posts like this when their usernames are easily visible over their avatars?

Because it's quite the polite and a rather exquisite way of ending one's posts.

-Kaiser

[IanPolaris]

Genshie wrote...

 It is a eeepeeen thing. Makes it look nice whatever. It is like my post looks nice than yours kind of thing. A dick contest? Something along one of those lines.

You mind reading skills need practice. It's an old habit.  Nothing more.

-Polaris

[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

 OMG OLD SCRIPT THAT PREDATES E3 that is a rough draft of story has been leaked! That we have no idea how it will be delievered except through rough text! *Cancels Preorder*
I am sorry but you are starting to sound like a real Nancy Drew here. I would hate watching movies with you that you have already watched.

The problem is the story that was leaked is almost certainly in it's near final form even if it's as "old" as you claim.  The sheer logistics of making a game (esp in two years) demands this.  The basic complaint about lack of respect for ME1 and ME2 are impossible to correct that late in the game dev cycle (even if it's as old as you think which I doubt).

-Polaris

Okay, and you know this how? You don't work Bioware, you don't work for EA, and you probably never made a game in your life. All you are making is assumptions like you have been with every single one of your posts. Nothing you have said about ME3 is fact.

[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

 It is a eeepeeen thing. Makes it look nice whatever. It is like my post looks nice than yours kind of thing. A dick contest? Something along one of those lines.

You mind reading skills need practice. It's an old habit.  Nothing more.

-Polaris

I am not trying to read minds at all. And don't look down at me when all you have been doing this entire time is make assumptions left and right.

[IanPolaris]

Genshie wrote...

Okay, and you know this how? You don't work Bioware, you don't work for EA, and you probably never made a game in your life. All you are making is assumptions like you have been with every single one of your posts. Nothing you have said about ME3 is fact.

The first clause was about the only true statement in your entire post.  As for the rest, I have been quite involved in gaming and I know what it takes to make a game, and the story/premise/basic plotline(s) have to be written and finalized first.  Details may be tweaked well into the dev cycle but major plot points really can not because everything else depends on them.  Game Informer said much the same thing btw.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Genshie wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

 It is a eeepeeen thing. Makes it look nice whatever. It is like my post looks nice than yours kind of thing. A dick contest? Something along one of those lines.

You mind reading skills need practice. It's an old habit.  Nothing more.

-Polaris

I am not trying to read minds at all. And don't look down at me when all you have been doing this entire time is make assumptions left and right.

Could have fooled me.  Seemed like attempted mind reading to me.  I'll leave it at that.

-Polaris

[Genshie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Okay, and you know this how? You don't work Bioware, you don't work for EA, and you probably never made a game in your life. All you are making is assumptions like you have been with every single one of your posts. Nothing you have said about ME3 is fact.

The first clause was about the only true statement in your entire post.  As for the rest, I have been quite involved in gaming and I know what it takes to make a game, and the story/premise/basic plotline(s) have to be written and finalized first.  Details may be tweaked well into the dev cycle but major plot points really can not because everything else depends on them.  Game Informer said much the same thing btw.

-Polaris

Your knowledge is good and all, but my point still stand you have never made a game. You can have all the knowledge in the world but unless you actually apply that knowledge then it means utter crap to anyone. In the end you have as much credit as anyone else on these boards and until we recieve actual official confirmation or until the game comes out all we can do is guess. You say your involved but have given no evidence in this.

Modifié par Genshie, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[Drinking Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Judging by those documents Bioware doesn't deserve any pity.

Yes!    Unless the final edit will be drastically different, which I doubt

Besides, see what happens when you keep fans on a very, very strict information diet  <_<

[Genshie]

Arcian wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Arcian wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Cause a company can't have a single flub am I right?

What been happening lately in Bioware goes far beyond a "single flub".

-Polaris

I don't really care that this is off-topic, but why do people sign their posts like this when their usernames are easily visible over their avatars?

Because it's quite the arrogant and a rather pretentious way of ending one's posts.

-Kaiser

Right, thanks for clearing that up.

My post is better than your post.


-Genshie

[IanPolaris]

Drinking Shepard wrote...

Besides, see what happens when you keep fans on a very, very strict information diet  <_<

Indeed, this is a good point.  Much of this damage is self-inflicted.  Sure BW couldn't possibly know that MS would foul things up this badly, but the fact that BW has been agonizingly tight lipped about ME3 made the community ravenous for any detail at all about ME3.  Not only that, but had Bioware been a bit more forthcoming a lot earlier, then perhaps the reaction of the community would not come as such a suprise and come early enough to real changes to be considered at least.

Now....now I have little to no hope for ME3 which is a damn shame since I was looking forward to it.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:15 .