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[marstor05]

dont know why all the people who are saying they have no hope for ME3 are saying that. I mean we are miles away from a release date yet, and all you have to go on is old date and a really really early dev copy of the first level with many things missing and loadsa glitches.

[Ravensword]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't mind Bioware being tight-lipped. Otherwise they tend to spoil a lot of things about the games ahead of time. (like Jack, say)

What about Jack? Do I want to know? Will I even care?

[DiegoProgMetal]

By Casey's tweets, one can notice that he is extremely pi***d by this story leak. Which means that probably the script hasn't changed that much. But I'll play the game and enjoy it. Doesn't matter if I know what will happen... I played ME2 at least 20 times, and it didn't make the game become worse. I wasn't expecting anything from the plot... I was just expecting the game to be released. And that's what I'll keep doing.

[Sanunes]

IanPolaris wrote...

Drinking Shepard wrote...

Besides, see what happens when you keep fans on a very, very strict information diet  <_<

Indeed, this is a good point.  Much of this damage is self-inflicted.  Sure BW couldn't possibly know that MS would foul things up this badly, but the fact that BW has been agonizingly tight lipped about ME3 made the community ravenous for any detail at all about ME3.  Not only that, but had Bioware been a bit more forthcoming a lot earlier, then perhaps the reaction of the community would not come as such a suprise and come early enough to real changes to be considered at least.

Now....now I have little to no hope for ME3 which is a damn shame since I was looking forward to it.

-Polaris

I don't think if they shared the information any sooner any real diffence besides when the complaining started changed and the only reason why they have been so tight lipped is because of the complaining on these very boards about how much they ruined Mass Effect 2, which had pretty much the same level of complaining to what is going on right now.

[Drinking Shepard]

IanPolaris wrote...

Now....now I have little to no hope for ME3 which is a damn shame since I was looking forward to it.

-Polaris

Oh I'm getting used to it. I was in particular looking forward to Crysis 2 -> HUGE disappointment. Battlfield 3 - not bad, better than MW3, but still didn't live up to expectations. I'm sad to face that now it's Mass Effect 3 turn 

[Mister Mida]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

By Casey's tweets, one can notice that he is extremely pi***d by this story leak.

Examples?

[IanPolaris]

Sanunes wrote...

I don't think if they shared the information any sooner any real diffence besides when the complaining started changed and the only reason why they have been so tight lipped is because of the complaining on these very boards about how much they ruined Mass Effect 2, which had pretty much the same level of complaining to what is going on right now.

I'm not so sure.  Of course I agree that in ME2, BW probably erred to much the other way (was a bit too generous with it's spoilers), but as I recall the big complaints with ME2 were the 'dumbing down' of RP elements (no armor choices for squaddies, limited skill set, etc) which turned out to be poison in DA2 but worked in ME2 because ME wasn't a pure RPG from the outset.  This is different.  We have Bioware on record as saying that our big choices in ME1 and ME2 will matter for the grand finale of ME3, yes they really will......and we find out that, no they really won't.

That IMHO is far more serious.

-Polaris

[Phaedon]

Genshie wrote...
Your knowledge is good and all, but my point still stand you have never made a game. You can have all the knowledge in the world but unless you actually apply that knowledge then it means utter crap to anyone. In the end you have as much credit as anyone else on these boards and until we recieve actual official confirmation or until the game comes out all we can do is guess. You say your involved but have given no evidence in this.

I don't understand why you gals and guys are so upset over this.

I can see no negative to Ian, Kaisy and Saphra deciding not to buy the game, and subsequently not posting on the forums. It's their choice, isn't it?

[roy.willemsen]

I feel rather sorry for Ian, Kaisy, Saphra and all the other guys/girls.. who are probably crying in their beds, over a rather old script, while nothing is set in stone untill the game releases..

[Yuqi]

Unless, there is an exact date on the 'story-leak' Then we really can't make a judgement on how much 'can' be changed.

We also don't have access to their primary-assets-folder, so I will reserve judgement.

[Genshie]

Phaedon wrote...

Genshie wrote...
Your knowledge is good and all, but my point still stand you have never made a game. You can have all the knowledge in the world but unless you actually apply that knowledge then it means utter crap to anyone. In the end you have as much credit as anyone else on these boards and until we recieve actual official confirmation or until the game comes out all we can do is guess. You say your involved but have given no evidence in this.

I don't understand why you gals and guys are so upset over this.

I can see no negative to Ian, Kaisy and Saphra deciding not to buy the game, and subsequently not posting on the forums. It's their choice, isn't it?

I don't care if they don't buy this game. My problem is that he is only looking at the negatives at something that is not even out yet and making full judgemental assumptions based of a rough script that is old as well as being confirmed to already been changed and is still being changed.

Edit: I don't understand that he/she/it/they are even posting on these forums if they hate it so much already.

Modifié par Genshie, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:00 .

[Paulinius]

The general plot of a story is just a skeleton for the real meat of a story to hang off of and for the skill of the writer to shine through. The meat being details: characters, character development, backgr, dialog, et cetera.

ME1 and 2's general plots weren't the strongest or most original but the characters and details really made them spectacular, at least in my opinion.

The leaks has shown, to me at least, a lackluster plot which isn't a big deal. However, it also showed a lot of details, storylines, and character events which I weren't very fond of.

But we have to see the story come to life in its final form in game to see if it works or not. But right now, however premature, it is not looking good to me.

[Genshie]

Saphra Deden wrote...

roy.willemsen wrote...

I feel rather sorry for Ian, Kaisy, Saphra and all the other guys/girls.. who are probably crying in their beds, over a rather old script, while nothing is set in stone untill the game releases..

Enough of it is set in stone, that's for certain in. I'm not crying. I'm disappointed, but I'm relieved that my dilemma about which game to buy (this or Skyrim) has been simplified for me.

 Why are you deciding between two games that have two very different release dates? It is not like both are out at the same time. And also nothing is certain at this point except for what has been confirmed, they can easily delay it if they want.

[Phaedon]

Genshie wrote...
I don't care if they don't buy this game. My problem is that he is only looking at the negatives at something that is not even out yet and making full judgemental assumptions based of a rough script that is old as well as being confirmed to already been changed and is still being changed. 

Edit: I don't understand that he/she/it/they are even posting on these forums if they hate it so much already.

Cool, so they hated it, and decided to judge the actual game based on simple text. You believe that they a) are  looking only at the negatives, shouldn't judge the game on the leak.

This seems to be a position which you strongly defend, so I am surprised that you don't also think that:
c) people who do a) and , and will decide whether or not they will buy the game from this rather than actual reviews, deserve to be potentially mislead, and that

d) them investing their money somewhere else isn't good for you, since the quality of the forums will go up.

I am all for a convo where you can persuade someone, but I don't think that you can earn much from this thread but a headache.

Modifié par Phaedon, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:10 .

[Genshie]

Phaedon wrote...

Genshie wrote...
I don't care if they don't buy this game. My problem is that he is only looking at the negatives at something that is not even out yet and making full judgemental assumptions based of a rough script that is old as well as being confirmed to already been changed and is still being changed. 

Edit: I don't understand that he/she/it/they are even posting on these forums if they hate it so much already.

Cool, so they hated it, and decided to judge the actual game based on simple text. You believe that they a) are  looking only at the negatives, shouldn't judge the game on the leak.

This seems to be a position which you strongly defend, so I am surprised that you don't also think that:
c) people who do a) and , and will decide whether or not they will buy the game from this rather than actual reviews, deserve to be potentially mislead, and that

d) them investing their money somewhere else isn't good for you, since the quality of the forums will go up.

e) They are hypocrites and are still posting in an ME3 forum regardless of their obvious distaste over ME3 as of now.

I can understand posting about features you dislike and having your own opinion, but what I don't understand is that if you clearly are not interested in the said product at all and have no interest in it at all why are they still here?

[Genshie]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Why are you deciding between two games that have two very different release dates?

I don't have a lot of money and in addition to wanting a new game I also really need to get a new HDD. I still have the tiny 20GIG one and ME2 alone nearly fills the entire thing up.

I was going to comment on money that but I didn't want to offend. Well I have high hopes for Skyrim.

[this isnt my name]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Sue Microsoft

I've been wondering about that actually. I'm no lawyer but I should think that they could sue MS for, well, something.

Im no lawyer. But I think gamers should sue bioware. False advertising.

[this isnt my name]

roy.willemsen wrote...

I feel rather sorry for Ian, Kaisy, Saphra and all the other guys/girls.. who are probably crying in their beds, over a rather old script, while nothing is set in stone untill the game releases..

Im happy for them. They arent going to waste money and arent blinded by denial.

[Phaedon]

Genshie wrote...
e) They are hypocrites and are still posting in an ME3 forum regardless of their obvious distaste over ME3 as of now.

I can understand posting about features you dislike and having your own opinion, but what I don't understand is that if you clearly are not interested in the said product at all and have no interest in it at all why are they still here?

Mm-hm, I'll go with that option.

[SnowHeart1]

In reality, who the heck among us knows what's really going on. Fake scripts have been "leaked" before in order to mislead people. On the other hand, Casey's tweets seem to confirm that not only was this undesired (from Bioware's perspective) but that it may have been a sort of quasi-sabotage (i.e., his referring to it as "tomfoolery" and "shennanigans"). But, that could all be part of building up a fake script as possibly real. Yet it was also an "old" and "out of date" script, which suggests portions of it are accurate. But how many of us have experience writing and reading video game outlines to know what could change, what has changed, and how strictly they're followed? Parts of it are definitely on target based on what we've seen, but other parts are not. Also, many questions are apparently left unanswered/unaddressed in the outline. Yet, the denials also ring a bit familiar in the sense Bioware also denied (or tried to cast serious doubt) on the accuracy of trolls posting prior to ME2's release what the real fate of the protheans was. Turns out the trolls were right.

In the end, it is what it is. Until we get the game, we won't know for certain. I'm inclined to believe the leaked document was real and, while aspects may be different, on the whole you don't just completely deviate from an outline -- you have it for a reason. I was generally happy with what I read, and as for what caused me concern, well, I won't know for sure until I play the game or read the reviews.

People all around need to just take a breath and chill.