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[LexXxich]

It's the first draft, outlining a basic story, I get it. But how could anyone write it like this in the first place? It's literally Deus Ex Machina end for the trilogy.
I hope Bioware's PR is saying the whole truth, and this rough draft was heavily reworked and not just fleshed out with pretty cutscenes. I want to believe.

[onelifecrisis]

aridor1570 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

They aren't that worried?  I guess you've been seeing different tweets and actions (culimating in a Microsoft C&D letterto NeoGaf) than I have.  I'd say from the reactions that Bioware is plenty worried.

-Polaris

Edit:  As for the rest, what I am saying is if you are dealing with people, especially dissapointed/angry people, then classic Rhetoric isn't going to work.  You have to understand and aknowledge how your customers think even if it's illogical.

I don't consider Microsoft's actions the same as Bioware's actions.  Bioware investigated the leak, found it came from Microsoft.  Microsoft scrambles to cover their collective behinds by trying to quash the leak, all videos of it, and the spoilers.

<snip>

It's obvious Microsoft is saving face.

I saw an article saying that the C&D came from EA. You're saying it came from MS?

I know you're surprised but it did.

Not surprised, just wanted to know which "facts" were right. 

[aridor1570]

LexXxich wrote...

It's the first draft, outlining a basic story, I get it. But how could anyone write it like this in the first place? It's literally Deus Ex Machina end for the trilogy.
I hope Bioware's PR is saying the whole truth, and this rough draft was heavily reworked and not just fleshed out with pretty cutscenes. I want to believe.

It is not a DEM, why do people keep on calling it that?

Edit: Lol, why did I write "DES"?

Modifié par aridor1570, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[LexXxich]

aridor1570 wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

It's the first draft, outlining a basic story, I get it. But how could anyone write it like this in the first place? It's literally Deus Ex Machina end for the trilogy.
I hope Bioware's PR is saying the whole truth, and this rough draft was heavily reworked and not just fleshed out with pretty cutscenes. I want to believe.

It is not a DEM, why do people keep on calling it that?

Edit: Lol, why did I write "DES"?

Because in the scope of trilogy it's a last minute solution, which wasn't foreshadowed in previous games.

[Angmir]

EDIT: No spoilers!

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Igib]

Well, after reading the leaked info (I don't care about spoilers - once I start playing the game I forget them all:)), I really hope that it was outdated and ME3 won't become another crappy DA2 with incompetent Hawke Shep.

Time will tell.

[Tonymac]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi everyone

After some investigation, we are able to provide further information regarding the Mass Effect 3 leaks this weekend:

Following the accidental public release of the internal beta, some information was extracted from game files that was then released on the internet.  That information was found in test entries in our database which represent rough notes on mission summaries from early story drafts.  These story outlines do not form the actual game script, and since most of these entries are from first-draft story documents, many of the elements will be different in the final game.  These simplified entries also do not represent the actual dialog, non-linearity, or interactive choices in the actual game.  In fact, the team is still hard at work writing and implementing final versions of storylines and dialog.

It should go without saying however that reading leaked Mass Effect 3 files - however out of date they may be - will likely spoil your experience in the game.  We ask that you join with us in keeping the BioWare Social Network spoiler-free, so that as many players as possible can discover the surprises and revelations of Mass Effect 3 in the game itself.

  What interests me is how this little debacle ocurred.    Was it a FUBAR accident, or some malicious thing, or just a brainfart?  It seems like a lot of steps had to happen to make this go so far south.

  Personally, I do not want my game spoiled, so I am very careful whith what I click on and read.  I am interested in the gameplay mechanic changes.  I am also interested in learning about squadmate AI.  I hear that the enemy AI is improved, with many new types of enemies and husk variants.  However, if the game is going to be more difficult, I hope that the squad AI also underwent some improvements.

  Frankly, I think that the current squad AI (for ME2) is kind of lame.  I constantly have squaddies stuck on boxes, or unable to use powers due to location / tactical issues etc.  I would like to see these supposed Veteran killing machines be a bit more intelligent.  I would also like to choose how they fight simply by the commands I give them - like if I tell them to take cover then they should play more defensively, or give me cover so I can move if I tell them to - or even be able to focus on a single baddy at a time.  In many cases I have them shooting at stuff that is non-threatening while a Praetorian moves in on me - you get the point.  If the game is going to be more difficult, then the squad AI should be better.

  I am also hoping that weapon mods in game will be more in line with ME1.  I liked being able to upgrade my wepaon and give it more punch, or have it need to cooldown less often, or be more accurate.  That stuff with the SPECTRE gear was insane - and you needed it.  It was also really cool to have armor upgrades.

  Basically, I am not looking into the spoilers very much, as most of it will change as Mr. Priestly mentioned.  However, it would be cool to know about just a few tidbits here and there.  I am sure that the game will go through a lot of changes before release date.  I want the story to be fresh and new for me in March, but I want to be looking forward to the tweaks I can do with my guns and armor and know that my squaddies will not be lemmings running into mini-gun fire in order to deplete its ammo.

[aridor1570]

LexXxich wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

It's the first draft, outlining a basic story, I get it. But how could anyone write it like this in the first place? It's literally Deus Ex Machina end for the trilogy.
I hope Bioware's PR is saying the whole truth, and this rough draft was heavily reworked and not just fleshed out with pretty cutscenes. I want to believe.

It is not a DEM, why do people keep on calling it that?

Edit: Lol, why did I write "DES"?

Because in the scope of trilogy it's a last minute solution, which wasn't foreshadowed in previous games.

It doesn't have to be foreshadowed in the previous games, as long as you are aware of that weapon from an early stage of the game, and spend most of it trying to activate it, it's not a DEM.

[aridor1570]

AwesomeName wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

It's the first draft, outlining a basic story, I get it. But how could anyone write it like this in the first place? It's literally Deus Ex Machina end for the trilogy.
I hope Bioware's PR is saying the whole truth, and this rough draft was heavily reworked and not just fleshed out with pretty cutscenes. I want to believe.

It is not a DEM, why do people keep on calling it that?

Edit: Lol, why did I write "DES"?

Because in the scope of trilogy it's a last minute solution, which wasn't foreshadowed in previous games.

{deleted}

Also, couldn't the fact that the Reapers being built up to such godly proportions sort of count towards foreshadowing?

If not, there's what was said in {deleted}.  Plus there seems to be foreshadowing early in ME3, and it seems to tie in with things we're familiar with in previous games.  That doesn't sound like a DEM to me.

*Deleted* seeing as someone has deleted those I rather not ask.

Modifié par aridor1570, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:12 .

[shepskisaac]

Tonymac wrote...

  What interests me is how this little debacle ocurred.    Was it a FUBAR accident, or some malicious thing, or just a brainfart?  It seems like a lot of steps had to happen to make this go so far south.

Microsoft leaked a beta of the demo in their new Xbox Dashboard preview and then Russian BioWare fansite mined the files of the beta and got documents with early plot drafts.

[Eudaemonium]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Do you know why they say not to read the spoilers?  Because, even outdated, they cause you to develop a preconception for what you think will happen and poison your experience.  It's like having the series finale of a TV show "spoiled" for you before you go to see it.  Even though the spoilers are not true, you've already made some assumptions about how it will end before you actually see it, which taints your ability to enjoy it.

Bioware wants you to avoid that feeling.  I hardly see how this is "telling" of anything.

I actually had this regarding the TV show LOST. Before I watched it, I was told my my sister what the Island really was. I watched the whole series with this in mind, not being drawn into the mystery and guessing games because I already knew what the big reveal at the end was. As it turned out, my sister had told me the wrong information (which she'd actually heard from someone else). I hadn't actually been spoiled at all, but I believed I had been and that affected how I enjoyed the series. My enjoyment was limited by what I thought I knew, even if I didn't actually know at all.

[Jaron Oberyn]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

This!!!! 

Why do I have a feeling that IanPolaris is PoliteAssasin? Only he used to sign under his every single post.

I must have forgotten that I was the first and only one to sign under my post. BSN must be the only forum you visit huh? Because I can assure you it's quite common. 


-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Angmir wrote...


Edit: No Spoilers!

THX in Advance

Edit: Removed Spoilers

-Polite

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 01:59 .

[aridor1570]

AwesomeName wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

*Deleted* seeing as someone has deleted those I rather not ask.

Yeah I didn't want to spoil anything, but I did send you a message just to sate your curiosity

Many thanks.

[przemichal]

ME3's plot is good - very good actually - in this "first story draft". I'm totally hyped and buying it now. And I think that all those things that make you nervous - well - will be just fine when all the details come into play.

[LexXxich]

aridor1570 wrote...

It doesn't have to be foreshadowed in the previous games, as long as you are aware of that weapon from an early stage of the game, and spend most of it trying to activate it, it's not a DEM.

Actually, it has to be. As I said, in a scope of trilogy. If one plays ME3 without playing previous ones, it won't stand out. Situation is introduced and resolved in one game. But the full story becomes disjointed. War is won by means never before mentioned, and not influenced by our previous decisions/adventures.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

This!!!! 

Why do I have a feeling that IanPolaris is PoliteAssasin? Only he used to sign under his every single post.

I must have forgotten that I was the first and only one to sign under my post. BSN must be the only forum you visit huh? Because I can assure you it's quite common. 


-Polite

Hey man, there was no offense intended to you, sorry if you feel that way. It was just a guess. Nah, I visit many other forums and people dont do this. That's what makes u and that other guy special in BSN 

[111987]

Angmir wrote...


For thouse who red all the leaked info - *SNIP*

THX in Advance

Dude...don't post spoilers like that...

[aridor1570]

LexXxich wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

It doesn't have to be foreshadowed in the previous games, as long as you are aware of that weapon from an early stage of the game, and spend most of it trying to activate it, it's not a DEM.

Actually, it has to be. As I said, in a scope of trilogy. If one plays ME3 without playing previous ones, it won't stand out. Situation is introduced and resolved in one game. But the full story becomes disjointed. War is won by means never before mentioned, and not influenced by our previous decisions/adventures.

That still isn't the definision of a DEM.

[IanPolaris]

Angmir wrote...


Edit: No spoilers!

THX in Advance

Apparently "No" and "Yes" to each question.  Futher details would involve explicit spoilers.

-Polaris

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:00 .

[Nayt Navare]

I'm not seeing anything about what Angmir or IanPolaris are talking about.

Can someone point me to where I can find this info? Or PM? The file I found isn't as complete as others, it seems. I'd like access to it so I can avoid asking others for clarification, and having that or any reply spoil things for others.

[marstor05]

its all KL s fault you know. TIMS still a dick. Despite all the negative reaction to the spoilers i've read, I'm so looking forward to this game.