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[Arcadian Legend]

C9316 wrote...

Hey guys! I got some leaked bioware stuff!!!! Apparently bioware is making a First Contact War prequel game!

You saw it here first folks!

That was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Everyone on BSN should witness it.

[kiti.the.great]

ALERT! MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD!

The shocking truth revealed: The Reapers are controlled by russian hackers.

Prothy the Prothean: "Don't worry, they've got outdated files"

[C9316]

DarkRiku7 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Hey guys! I got some leaked bioware stuff!!!! Apparently bioware is making a First Contact War prequel game!

You saw it here first folks!

That was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Everyone on BSN should witness it.

I know right!? Shame on Bioware for keeping this under wraps! Did you see the complex RPG systems, and memorable characters!?

[kiti.the.great]

C9316 wrote...

DarkRiku7 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Hey guys! I got some leaked bioware stuff!!!! Apparently bioware is making a First Contact War prequel game!

You saw it here first folks!

That was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Everyone on BSN should witness it.

I know right!? Shame on Bioware for keeping this under wraps! Did you see the complex RPG systems, and memorable characters!?

You're my partner in crime!

[DiebytheSword]

billy the squid wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

I don't see why people are so upset about the DEM/MacGuffin. That's all it was ever meant to be.

The Reapers cannot be stopped with the known means the Galaxy has available. They're far too powerful and they've already taken so much of the Galaxy in so little time.

Really, defeating the Reapers with nothing more than brute firepower would feel even more forced than a DEM/MacGuffin, given how hopeless the situation is made out to be.

If the MacGuffin did the heavy lifting it would be a DEM, but it doesn't so DEM doesn't qualify.  The MacGuffin obeys the internal logic of the story.  DEM does not.

And let's be honest, robo-Saren's destruction causing Sovvie to lose focus instead of gaining renewed focus was pretty DEM to begin with.

Sovereign's overconfidence does not a DEM make.  Had a magical prothean ninja jumped out of the ducts and short cirtcuited Soveriegns shields, that would be a DEM.  Instead, you killed the being that Sovereign unwisely thought would be able to kill you and your team.  The Reapers were only ever meant to be a threat, not unstoppable.  This is why they rely on surprise to win.  This is why the leak's MacGuffin is not a Deus Ex Machina.

I agree that the leak's McGuffin wasn't a DEM, I'm just saying that if you're multitasking, and then you don't have to do one of those things anymore, youre productivity in all others would go up, yet somehow not needing to fight Shepard led to Sovvie losing his concentration and lowering his shields, which makes no sense and is a logical DEM not a universal one.

It makes no sense to us because we lack the critical information to understand just how a Reaper assumes direct control.  Saren was obviously a very strongly willed individual to survive with his mind exposed to close range assault from Sovereign at all times.  He makes mention that he was implanted for improvement, which is a somewhat different case from Harbinger's slave race of collectors who have very little individual will to start with.  As Mordin puts it, they are little more than clones and machines.  Saren was obviously not that.  What's to say that Sovereign didn't need to put excessive resources into dominating Saren's form?  We don't know how much any of these activities affect the hive mind of a Reaper, we don't know if the Reapers work on programming imposing will on their collective minds.

When there is too little information, you cannot make assumptions like your multi-tasking argument makes.  We don't know that the death of a directly controlled strong willed individual, implanted with reaper tech, has any positive or negative effects other than the writers say that this even did indeed weaken Sovereign.

For all we know, Harbinger could have been icing his jaw after every time I meleed his direct control into direct ashes.

I always imagined that when you were fighting Saren's corpse, Soveriegn was seeing you through its eyes. In essence you were fighting a portion of Sovreign's "mind" when you destroyed Saren you disrupted the Reaper's control or shields allowing it to be destroyed. I think the difference with Harbinger is that "Assuming Direct Control" was done via the Collector General, more akin to a proxy. Hence Harbinger detatching before the Collector base was destroyed, possibly to prevent being directly affected.

As to the McGuffin, so long as it isn't ham handed or an instant I win button, I'll have to look at the details again as I skimmed over the plot points only, then it should be okay, but I' unsure at the moment.

I agree, but there is a difference in how we state our opinion, and how it was stated in the prior argument.  You imagine, I remain undecided.  We admit that we lack the critical information to make an informed opinion, and nothing in the offical material defines this process or its drawbacks well.

As for the MacGuffin vs. Deus Ex Machina debate (major spoiler follows):

EDIT: Removed spoilers. Thank you for being so polite about removing them though -Jessica

To the mods, if this is not an acceptable post I will gladly remove the information upon request.

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:24 .

[Blacklash93]

DiebytheSword hit the nail on the head here. It isn't a DEM "WIN" button because it requires so much effort to pull off.

[DiebytheSword]

Blacklash93 wrote...

DiebytheSword hit the nail on the head here. It isn't a DEM "WIN" button because it requires so much effort to pull off.

I have resisted posting that, because I feel the leak shouldn't be spread, but people calling it a win button didn't have the endgame put together right in their heads if they felt it was a DEM.  The leak is a disjointed mess, and it needs to be analysed carefully.  You need to accept that there is missing information to make a half way informed opinion on it.

In short, thank you for your support.

[Paulinius]

After reading the leaks, playing through ME1 and Virmire will now become a lot less emotional.

[Zkyire]

IsaacShep wrote...

I just love how IanPolaris pretends he doesn't see my posts any longer. C'mon. What do you have to say to the FACT James is being called Jimmy in half of the script even though we've known he's called James since the beginning of the year? And what do you have to say to the FACT that virtually all games contain outdated/unused files/concepts/dialogues in their files including many other BioWare games in the past?

Jim and Jimmy are often nicknames for people named James.

[KotorEffect3]

Chris Priestly wrote...

.  These story outlines do not form the actual game script, and since most of these entries are from first-draft story documents, many of the elements will be different in the final game.  These simplified entries also do not represent the actual dialog, non-linearity, or interactive choices in the actual game.  In fact, the team is still hard at work writing and implementing final versions of storylines and dialog.

As I suspected, keep up the good work bioware.  Mass Effect 3 is going to own my 360.

[KotorEffect3]

Paulinius wrote...

After reading the leaks, playing through ME1 and Virmire will now become a lot less emotional.

So now you judge the entire series based on dated leaks of a rough draft that will be quite different from the final script when it is all set?  When are you people going to learn to stop jumping to premature conclusions?

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 09 novembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[RusZap]

I'll second the thought that this is old data left in a folder buried that someone dug out. Why? I watch the vid from the beta and read the section regarding the opening scene on earth and ther is A LOT of differences that were not in that beta gameplay. Why would that scene be so much different but all the rest be 99% accurate?

[KainrycKarr]

I just hope we can still recruit **** after her mission. That's all I care about from the spoilers, the rest can change completely and I'd be happy, in some cases moreso because of the change.

[shepskisaac]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I just hope we can still recruit **** after her mission. That's all I care about from the spoilers, the rest can change completely and I'd be happy, in some cases moreso because of the change.

Recruitable Tali is not a spoiler from the leak, BW confirmed it themselves long time ago. Personally though, I wish she wasn't recruitable. Why should she get squad spot for the 3rd time when many other characters will only have it once within the entire trilogy?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 09 novembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Ryzaki]

Tali's recruitable?

Hellz yeah.

Team Dextro will be back baby!

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...
Recruitable Tali is not a spoiler from the leak, BW confirmed it themselves long time ago. Personally though, I wish she wasn't recruitable. Why should she get squad spot for the 3rd time when many other characters will only have it once within the entire trilogy?

Because she plays an important part in the geth/quarian conflict?

Also, I have seen a lot worse.

EDIT: Spoiler removed

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:26 .

[Seboist]

IsaacShep wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I just hope we can still recruit **** after her mission. That's all I care about from the spoilers, the rest can change completely and I'd be happy, in some cases moreso because of the change.

Recruitable Tali is not a spoiler from the leak, BW confirmed it themselves long time ago. Personally though, I wish she wasn't recruitable. Why should she get squad spot for the 3rd time when many other characters will only have it once within the entire trilogy?

Like with Garrus "eternal sidekick" Vakarian who's had the biggest character stagnation of the ME1 cast the answer is "fan pandering".

[shepskisaac]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because she plays an important part in the geth/quarian conflict?

How so? The conflict can be resolved even if she's dead.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Edit: Spoiler removed

What a nonsense. Characters' rank compared to permanent-squadmate spot in all 3 games? Don't be ridiculous.

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[SwiftMustache]

Warning spoiler:

In fact, the reapers are preparing agaisnt an invasion of ponies.

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...
How so? The conflict can be resolved even if she's dead.

EDIT: removed spoilers

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[shepskisaac]

EDIT: removed spoilers

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[Yuoaman]

EDIT: removed spoiler

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:31 .

[ratzerman]

Back on the old boards, before ME2 launched, Casey Hudson stated that he was "saving" the VS for the third game.

He was saving them for this?

[Yuoaman]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

EDIT: REMOVED SPOILERS

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how two of the only characters to have major roles in both the earlier games aren't pushed off to the sidelines in the third. After all, since ME3 is the "perfect starting point", they should just introduce two new characters instead, and dump the only people who have remained at Shepard's side throughout the trilogy thus far.
Who needs fan favourites anyway?

NOT ME, OBVIOUSLY. *ends Sarcasm Mode*

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:33 .