999 réponses à ce sujet

[shepskisaac]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Who needs fan favourites anyway?

I ain't totally against catering to fan favourites. But Tali & Garrus got their share of pandering already.

EDIT: REMOVED SPOILERS

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Derahu]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

EDIT: REMOVED SPOILERS

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how two of the only characters to have major roles in both the earlier games aren't pushed off to the sidelines in the third. After all, since ME3 is the "perfect starting point", they should just introduce two new characters instead, and dump the only people who have remained at Shepard's side throughout the trilogy thus far.
Who needs fan favourites anyway?

If those two were not squadmates in ME3, can you imagine what the tali-mancers and Gar-Bears would do?  *insert most horrific thing of your imagination* oh keela...

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Yuoaman]

IsaacShep wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Who needs fan favourites anyway?

I ain't totally against catering to fan favourites. But Tali & Garrus got their share of pandering already.
EDIT: REMOVED SPOILERS

That's like saying that Frodo had enough time in the limelight in The Fellowship of the RIng and The Two Towers and replacing him with Pippin for The Return of the King. It's just silly.

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:35 .

[JeffZero]

Can't really see Garrus' level of story involvement as on-par with Frodo's.

[shepskisaac]

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Who needs fan favourites anyway?

I ain't totally against catering to fan favourites. But Tali & Garrus got their share of pandering already. 
EDIT: REMOVED SPOILERS

That's like saying that Frodo had enough time in the limelight in The Fellowship of the RIng and The Two Towers and replacing him with Pippin for The Return of the King. It's just silly.

Please tell me you don't think Tali & Garrus are the main character of the franchise like Frodo is lololololol

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:37 .

[Yuoaman]

JeffZero wrote...

Can't really see Garrus' level of story involvement as on-par with Frodo's.

Well Garrus has been a member of the crew since ME1, just booting him out in favor of people who didn't join back up in ME2 would be weird.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 09 novembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[Yuoaman]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Who needs fan favourites anyway?

I ain't totally against catering to fan favourites. But Tali & Garrus got their share of pandering already. Why not have Miranda, Mordin or Legion return in ME3 as perma squaddies hmmm?

That's like saying that Frodo had enough time in the limelight in The Fellowship of the RIng and The Two Towers and replacing him with Pippin for The Return of the King. It's just silly.

Please tell me you don't think Tali & Garrus are the main character of the franchise like Frodo is lololololol

Not the main character, but they're certainly important members of the crew - having been a part of it for a long time.

[Yuoaman]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Who needs fan favourites anyway?

I ain't totally against catering to fan favourites. But Tali & Garrus got their share of pandering already. 

That's like saying that Frodo had enough time in the limelight in The Fellowship of the RIng and The Two Towers and replacing him with Pippin for The Return of the King. It's just silly.

Please tell me you don't think Tali & Garrus are the main character of the franchise like Frodo is lololololol

Sam then. Sam is always at Frodo's side, just like Tali and Garrus. Imagine if Frodo decided to replace Sam and climb Mount Doom with Faramir instead. It would be ridiculous.

There we go - I should have made that comparison right away. It would be awesome if Faramir was there in addition to Sam, but no one can replace him.

Modifié par Jessica Merizan, 12 novembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[ratzerman]

JeffZero wrote...

Can't really see Garrus' level of story involvement as on-par with Frodo's.

You're right, he's more like Aragorn. If Aragorn had Gandalf's wizard powers. 

[shepskisaac]

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ratzerman wrote...

Back on the old boards, before ME2 launched, Casey Hudson stated that he was "saving" the VS for the third game.

He was saving them for this?

I know right?

<_<

[Yuoaman]

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Changing the story? Someone just changed it to a more apt comparison.

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

[shepskisaac]

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Changing the story? Someone just changed it to a more apt comparison.

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

And for many Shepards Wrex, or Mordin are much more important and better friends.

[jlb524]

Yuoaman wrote...

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

Not mine.  My Shepard's bff is... 

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Plot armor?

They can die just as easily as everyone else.

Except Miranda with her dialogues.

Plot armor would be a more fitting description for the VS' situation, since the plot actually demands those particular characters' preservation for a future point in time.

As you said yourself, those conflicts in ME3 can probably play out fine without Tali and Garrus.

Does that make them worthless? No, because they have individual characters people actually like and some situations can play out differently depending on those characters' survival.

[Yuoaman]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Changing the story? Someone just changed it to a more apt comparison.

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

And for many Shepards Wrex, or Mordin are much more important and better friends.

Hey, I love Mordin and Wrex as much as the next guy (they're on par with Garrus and Tali for me), but they're not exactly the kind of people to have time to just hang around Shepard's ship all the time. Wrex is uniting the clans on Tuchanka and Mordin is a genius scientist who would probably do more good working in a lab not constantly on the move.

[Yuoaman]

Someone With Mass wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Plot armor?

They can die just as easily as everyone else.

Except Miranda with her dialogues.

Plot armor would be a more fitting description for the VS' situation, since the plot actually demands those particular characters' preservation for a future point in time.

As you said yourself, those conflicts in ME3 can probably play out fine without Tali and Garrus.

Does that make them worthless? No, because they have individual characters people actually like and some situations can play out differently depending on those characters' survival.

He didn't say they had plot armor - he said that they weren't as important because they didn't have plot armor.

[Someone With Mass]

Yuoaman wrote...
He didn't say they had plot armor - he said that they weren't as important because they didn't have plot armor.

Still, that is one weak excuse.

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

Not mine.  My Shepard's bff is... 

I think it's time for all us old timers to admit the obvious: Bioware hates us, and wants us to go away.

[JeffZero]

Faramir climbing Mount Doom alongside Frodo and Sam would be pretty rad...

Anyway, don't wanna spoil myself. Promised Mac directly that I wouldn't, even, lol. Out like a trout.

[Zkyire]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Someone keeps changing the story. First Frodo, now Sam. But I missed the point in which Tali & Garrus received plot armor in ME2 because BioWare intended them to be Shep's bestest friends and companions from the beginning to an end.

Changing the story? Someone just changed it to a more apt comparison.

And for many Shepard's they will have been.

And for many Shepards Wrex, or Mordin are much more important and better friends.

But the point is they can't put every squadmate on the ME3 team. And if they can only have a certain amount, it makes sense to include the ones who've been through the most with Shepard. They can't please everyone, but by including Tali and Garrus they're probably keeping more people happy than if they had chosen any other two squadmates instead.

Pretty much this.

If Bioware are going to keep "pandering" then they should do so for the two more popular characters to appeal to the most fans.

[jlb524]

I for one don't give a rat's butt hole if Tali/Garrus are back full time.

It's something ELSE I don't like.