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[Geth_Prime]

@Sebbe1337o

True dat. Unfortunately, there will still be idiots whining about this.

[IanPolaris]

If the files are that out of date and thus incorrect, how could they possibly ruin anyone's enjoyment of the game? Hmm? I think that some protest too much.

-Polaris

[CroGamer002]

Thanks for the update, even though it was obvious from start.

Then again, it wasn't for some people.

[IanPolaris]

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So it's all out of date, and yet it contains spoilers which we shouldn't discuss. And you won't make a spoiler forum, because they're not really spoilers, except that they are really spoilers, so we shouldn't talk about the spoilers that aren't spoilers in the non-spoiler forum.

Thanks for the clarification, Chris. Awesome work.

He never said that. Re-read the OP.

Reread the OP.  That's pretty much exactly what Chris said.  I'm with onelifecriss on this one.

-Polaris

[Saberchic]

Thanks for the info! It's good to have this clarified and up where everyone can see it.

[shepskisaac]

IanPolaris wrote...

Essentially what I and others already said in the now locked thread.  There were too many choices and it was too long and far too detailed and released for too late in the Dev cycle for the leaked files (at least the TLK files on Bioware.ru) to be anything other than largely accurate and genuine.  I note in passing that Bioware's own response has been consistant with that as well (including the denial of the same).

-Polaris

Ohh really? Then why wasn't there a word about romances if it was so detailed and advanced? Why almost no word on Garrus? Finally, why are there multiple & completly self-contradicting versions of the same missions?

[IanPolaris]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

Thanks for the update.
I've been trying to tell people that the game is still being worked on (obviously because theres four months left) but no one seems to be listening. Maybe this will help.

With only four months left (which means at most three and prob 2 before ME3 goes gold) the game is almost completely done by this point.  It has to be and that means the leaked TLK files are almost certainly accurate (at least for the most part...details may differ and some stuff might be cut but those will be detail changes around the edges).

-Polaris

[CroGamer002]

IanPolaris wrote...

If the files are that out of date and thus incorrect, how could they possibly ruin anyone's enjoyment of the game? Hmm? I think that some protest too much.

-Polaris

Cause it's not everything incorrect.


Which means it can spoil your experience in ME3 if you read it.

[C9316]

Thanks for the update Chris, for a second there I was about to blow my stack after reading a certain piece of bullsh*t from those drafts...

[IanPolaris]

IsaacShep wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Essentially what I and others already said in the now locked thread.  There were too many choices and it was too long and far too detailed and released for too late in the Dev cycle for the leaked files (at least the TLK files on Bioware.ru) to be anything other than largely accurate and genuine.  I note in passing that Bioware's own response has been consistant with that as well (including the denial of the same).

-Polaris

Ohh really? Then why wasn't there a word about romances if it was so detailed and advanced? Why almost no word on Garrus? Finally, why are there multiple & completly self-contradicting versions of the same missions?

Bioware does romance using a simple flag system.  That means that the romance part of the game is almost completely simple and minor detail work from a game design perspective (at least the way BW does it and I've seen no evidence that ME3 will be done differently).  As for mutliple and self contradictory missions, that's because there are mutliple choices you can make.  I never said that no choice mattered in ME3...just that none of your big ones in ME2 and ME1 matter (at least not meaningfully so).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Mesina2 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

If the files are that out of date and thus incorrect, how could they possibly ruin anyone's enjoyment of the game? Hmm? I think that some protest too much.

-Polaris

Cause it's not everything incorrect.


Which means it can spoil your experience in ME3 if you read it.

That is a non-sequitor.  If it's not correct, then you're no worse off than if you hadn't read anything.

However, I am confident that it IS (basically) correct.  I'll be hear to say "I told you so" on 7 March.

-Polaris

[111987]

IanPolaris wrote...

111987 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So it's all out of date, and yet it contains spoilers which we shouldn't discuss. And you won't make a spoiler forum, because they're not really spoilers, except that they are really spoilers, so we shouldn't talk about the spoilers that aren't spoilers in the non-spoiler forum.

Thanks for the clarification, Chris. Awesome work.

He never said that. Re-read the OP.

Reread the OP.  That's pretty much exactly what Chris said.  I'm with onelifecriss on this one.

-Polaris

Um, no, it isn't. Chris clearly said that while the notes were outdated and rough, they still may contain spoilers. The general idea behind a plot point can remain the same, but the execution of it can become radically different throughout the development process.

So while Spoiler A, B, and C may still be in the final game, the implemenation and context could be totally different.

[Robhuzz]

Thanks for the update Chris, hopefully the fuss will subside now and it'll soon be safe to browse these forums again for those who want to avoid spoilers.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:00 .

[Raspberry_]

4 months left and still working on story? sorry but i don't believe you. You don't have time to implement choices people want (from all negative feed back about spoilers) so you just tell people it's not "done" and "not accurate".

[shepskisaac]

IanPolaris wrote...

As for mutliple and self contradictory missions, that's because there are mutliple choices you can make.

No no no no no. Some mission descriptions weren't different choices. They were completly different version & ideas for the missions. Some key character didn't even exist in these versions. Some characters had different names then we know. Like Vega. How long we've knows his name's James huh? Since the beginning of 2011. Yet he is called Jimmy in half of the script. He wouldn't be called Jimmy in finished/advanced script.

[IanPolaris]

Robhuzz wrote...

Thanks for the update Chris, hopefully the fuss will subside now and it'll soon be safe to browse these forums again for those who want to avoid spoilers.

Why should be take Chris' word on that?  Even if we do, there is a lot less said in the OP than meets the eye.....

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Raspberry wrote...

4 months left and still working on story? sorry but i don't believe you. You don't have time to implement choices people want (from all negative feed back about spoilers) so you just tell people it's not "done" and "not accurate".

+1

-Polaris

[Sebbe1337o]

Geth_Prime wrote...

@Sebbe1337o

True dat. Unfortunately, there will still be idiots whining about this.

Yup, and that sucks XD
I guess it's easier to just not go to those threads and read into it too much, haha.

[CptData]

Fine enough to me, thanks for the update.

I'm a story writer and the stuff I read wasn't more than an early draft. No details, just some key scenes and although some of them COULD be used in the final product, they're way too vague. Also the scenes weren't sorted any way so I have no idea what could lead from point A to decision B and therefore scene C.

The early draft could exist since the days of ME2 development, it's not as young as the leaked beta for sure. So lots of changes DID happen already I believe. The current state of the story is unknown to us and could be entirely different.

Lets keep it that way.

Modifié par CptData, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[111987]

Raspberry wrote...

4 months left and still working on story? sorry but i don't believe you. You don't have time to implement choices people want (from all negative feed back about spoilers) so you just tell people it's not "done" and "not accurate".

We don't know how old those files are though. According to Chris, they are first draft level. We know ME3 was playable last Christmas. The story files could be over a year old, for all we know.

[Chris Priestly]

We are not going to create a spoilers section of the forum for this leaked information. While the leak does hint at or indicate some story details, it does not reveal the final story spoilers. We will be opening a Story/Spoilers forum closer to game launch.

[IanPolaris]

111987 wrote...

Raspberry wrote...

4 months left and still working on story? sorry but i don't believe you. You don't have time to implement choices people want (from all negative feed back about spoilers) so you just tell people it's not "done" and "not accurate".

We don't know how old those files are though. According to Chris, they are first draft level. We know ME3 was playable last Christmas. The story files could be over a year old, for all we know.

They can't be that old since they were for the last beta test of the Demo before it was to be released in Jan.  Consider too that the basic story arc and lines are finalized FIRST.  Yes there can be some tweaking and deletions done later, but the major story won't change much from even a year old draft.

-Polaris

[spirosz]

111987 wrote...

Um, no, it isn't. Chris clearly said that while the notes were outdated and rough, they still may contain spoilers. The general idea behind a plot point can remain the same, but the execution of it can become radically different throughout the development process.

So while Spoiler A, B, and C may still be in the final game, the implemenation and context could be totally different.

Exactly. There still may be elements in the rough draft that can viewed as a spoiler, even though they might not be the executed the same in the final product.

[CptData]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We are not going to create a spoilers section of the forum for this leaked information. While the leak does hint at or indicate some story details, it does not reveal the final story spoilers. We will be opening a Story/Spoilers forum closer to game launch.

Sounds good enough to me. Chris, I know it doesn't fit here, but is there ANY chance players pre-ordering ME3 will get access to Co-op-Demo as well? Or did I miss some info so everyone (even without BF3) will have access?