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C9316 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

Folks, I realise it's been a trying week, but could we please refrain from trying to tear each other down? We are all fans of an amazing game series. If we can't discuss our differences without mudslinging, then we should stick to focusing on what we have in common.

Typical BSN response

Actually, I think this is the typical BSN repsonse

Nah he said it in to much of a calm way. This is more like the Typical BSN response

Impressive, but how about this, or this?

The first response seem more like it while the second response would likely be due to a BSN poster responding to an annoying troll.

[ADLegend21]

V-rex wrote...

Seriously, I repeat:
Can we please not resort to childish name calling and trash talking?
I love Ashley and even though Horizon (and some of the spoilers) have done a lot to upset me I'm still going to keep her as my love interest because she remains my favorite and my preference. However I can't really blame people who might view the situation differently and I certainly am not interested in trash talking other people's favorite characters as some kind of means of defence.

There was a time when I used to do this as well, walls of text and the like, but I'm just weary of the fighting and the arguing and so sick of it all. Really.
I'm prepared to adopt a live and let live situation, who cares if there exist people who don't like my favorite character? She's still in Mass Effect 3 and she can still be romanceable, I'm still going to get MY version of Mass Effect 3 (However difficulty) so who cares how other people choose to play their version of it?
I know there are obnoxious Tali and Garrus fans out there who lash out at us and insult us but honestly if we lash out like this is just makes us as bad as them. It makes both sides look juvenile and colors the opinions of the respective fanbases.
And I know a lot about vocal minorities coloring the web's perspective of a fanbase, because I am a Halo fan. Christ if anyone knows what it's like to be unanimously hated due to the actions of only some fans, it's us.
I'd rather not see that happen here as well. I like Ashley AND Garrus AND Tali. I wasn't aware that I now have to pick and choose between them. While it is true that it's annoying that Garrus and Tali get more screentime then the VS and that the VS's plot line is decidedly more negative, the Garrus and Tali fanbase didn't cause that and there's no better way to lose the sympathetic light then to attack people who had nothing to do with it.
I'm angry about this whole thing too, but I'm not angry at the fans or angry at the characters. Mostly I'm just angry at the situation, the difference being that I'm not resorting to name calling over it.
Seriously I'm sick of seeing this every single time I open up this site, Team Dextro versus Team VS. I'm sick to death of it.

Can we please just all try to be civil and get along?
Pretty please?

Why must you always be the voice of reason.

seriously though. yeah we shoudl do this.

[fortunesque]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Love where this thread is headed.

As do I. Some of this VS fanrage is simply delightful.

Typical BSN, laughing at how people are upset and showing absolutely no human decency toward others. What are you, five?

Four, actually. But perhaps if you go back and look at the comments I was laughing at, you may understand. They were pretty extreme, and certainly not without venom.

But can you at least understand why some people would be pissed? The VS was retconned into being an idiot again.

I'm just asking for understanding from people.

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fortunesque wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Love where this thread is headed.

As do I. Some of this VS fanrage is simply delightful.

Typical BSN, laughing at how people are upset and showing absolutely no human decency toward others. What are you, five?

Sometimes I feel why not? Seriously its either that or attempt to argue with a internet poster. If people naturally can almost never ever concede an argument or even admit they are wrong even when shown all the evidence in the world that is the case. Then what are the chances of you convincing someone on BSN that they maybe wrong?

[jeweledleah]

actually - as far as Tali and her father - I've chosen to focus on the "if the evidence is revealed - it will cause the Admiralty to divide even further, it could lead to civil war"

I didn't let Jacob's father off easily and I wouldn't have with Tali's if not for the larger concern of quarian society as a whole, of the innocent people who would have gotten hurt (something that she mentions actually - whatever Tali is, she's not actually selfish, merely devoted to her people whom she sees as extended family)

[Yuoaman]

I have no problem with the geth, I push for peace in the games, that doesn't make them proper AIs though.

[fortunesque]

1136342t54 wrote...


Sometimes I feel why not? Seriously its either that or attempt to argue with a internet poster. If people naturally can almost never ever concede an argument or even admit they are wrong even when shown all the evidence in the world that is the case. Then what are the chances of you convincing someone on BSN that they maybe wrong?

So, it's better to make fun of someone who is angry than to just not engage them? And what does someone being angry have to do with them being right or not?

[jeweledleah]

Yuoaman wrote...

I have no problem with the geth, I push for peace in the games, that doesn't make them proper AIs though.

what makes a proper AI though?

Geth can reason.  they can evolve.  they have goals and dare I say - dreams.  they have what could be concidered an instinct for slef preservation.  they are learning and adopting - they are making choices.

they might work differently from, say EDI but I don't see how they don't qualify for AI status

[fortunesque]

Cthulhu42 wrote...


I can understnad they're upset, but if they're going to take it out on other squadmates and spout ridiculous insults, I feel I have the right to be amused by them.

They're just slinging mud right back at people who are saying derogatory things as well.

Honestly, this isn't a "this and them" kind of problem; it's an everyone problem.

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fortunesque wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Sometimes I feel why not? Seriously its either that or attempt to argue with a internet poster. If people naturally can almost never ever concede an argument or even admit they are wrong even when shown all the evidence in the world that is the case. Then what are the chances of you convincing someone on BSN that they maybe wrong?

So, it's better to make fun of someone who is angry than to just not engage them? And what does someone being angry have to do with them being right or not?

No. Its better to laugh at how the forum gets inflamed over sometimes trivial **** for hours. You think BSN is the only place people do that but in a few other forums BSN is rather infamous for being annoying as hell in general.

If someone is angry as hell over something and instead of laughing you liked to discuss it it would be pointless. For one they are angry and most of the time unlikely to be reasonable. Two people in general aren't necessarily reasonable people who you can have a argument with. They will defend a point to the very end because having to rethink your initial position for humans is the worst thing to do.

[fortunesque]

1136342t54 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Sometimes I feel why not? Seriously its either that or attempt to argue with a internet poster. If people naturally can almost never ever concede an argument or even admit they are wrong even when shown all the evidence in the world that is the case. Then what are the chances of you convincing someone on BSN that they maybe wrong?

So, it's better to make fun of someone who is angry than to just not engage them? And what does someone being angry have to do with them being right or not?

No. Its better to laugh at how the forum gets inflamed over sometimes trivial **** for hours. You think BSN is the only place people do that but in a few other forums BSN is rather infamous for being annoying as hell in general.

If someone is angry as hell over something and instead of laughing you liked to discuss it it would be pointless. For one they are angry and most of the time unlikely to be reasonable. Two people in general aren't necessarily reasonable people who you can have a argument with. They will defend a point to the very end because having to rethink your initial position for humans is the worst thing to do.

And let me ask you a question:

How does someone define what is trivial? Specifically in regards to Mass Effect, how is importance defined? It seems like individual preference to me.

Therefore, if trivialness is relative, then arguing that the angry person is wrong in their opinion is false. The answer is that neither is correct. This isn't about people being stubborn and "wrong" about something. It's about something that they liked in the game going horribly wrong, in their opinion.

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fortunesque wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Sometimes I feel why not? Seriously its either that or attempt to argue with a internet poster. If people naturally can almost never ever concede an argument or even admit they are wrong even when shown all the evidence in the world that is the case. Then what are the chances of you convincing someone on BSN that they maybe wrong?

So, it's better to make fun of someone who is angry than to just not engage them? And what does someone being angry have to do with them being right or not?

No. Its better to laugh at how the forum gets inflamed over sometimes trivial **** for hours. You think BSN is the only place people do that but in a few other forums BSN is rather infamous for being annoying as hell in general.

If someone is angry as hell over something and instead of laughing you liked to discuss it it would be pointless. For one they are angry and most of the time unlikely to be reasonable. Two people in general aren't necessarily reasonable people who you can have a argument with. They will defend a point to the very end because having to rethink your initial position for humans is the worst thing to do.

And let me ask you a question:

How does someone define what is trivial? Specifically in regards to Mass Effect, how is importance defined? It seems like individual preference to me.

Therefore, if trivialness is relative, then arguing that the angry person is wrong in their opinion is false. The answer is that neither is correct. This isn't about people being stubborn and "wrong" about something. It's about something that they liked in the game going horribly wrong, in their opinion.

Did I say your hypothetical angry person is wrong or angry over trivial things? No I did not but since this is a discussion forum and no one ever actually agrees no anything someone will be a bit annoyed about that angry person or would like to know why they are angry and discuss it with them. More than likely they will have a different opinion and like to discuss it which will eventually get the other person pissed off and make situation worse. Someone having their fun over the sake of stupidity or trivialness is nothing to be bothered by.

If you really want to argue the definition of trivial and whether its relative or not then you are speaking to the wrong person. Trivial can be relative but if that person thinks its trivial then why argue its definition of it? Its that persons opinion and many people do laugh over the stupid **** BSN sometimes gets angry about and then they also may understand the problems. Hell this isn't even a BSN phenomena to be honest.

[jeweledleah]

for some people 80 dollars is trivial. for me - its week's worth of groceries for 2 people.

this whole judging things trivial goes both ways. just becasue something is trivial for you, doesn't mean you can or should dismiss it as trivial for someone else - especially when its pretty obvious that they don't feel that whatever it is they are upset about - is trivial

[matt-bassist]

The only thing guaranteed about the story leak is that it is only one variation. There are far too many variables that can change the outcome of a LOT of the story outline.

I guess what we read was just a basic outline of the first draft.

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jeweledleah wrote...

for some people 80 dollars is trivial. for me - its week's worth of groceries for 2 people.

this whole judging things trivial goes both ways. just becasue something is trivial for you, doesn't mean you can or should dismiss it as trivial for someone else - especially when its pretty obvious that they don't feel that whatever it is they are upset about - is trivial

This was never a argument about things being trivial (fortune turned it to one) this was mostly about why would some people laugh when others are upset or pissed about something. 


Edit: When you think about it. It seems pretty annoying to focus on one word (possibly badly used) to seriously drift from the actual argument and create a separate one about the relativeness of one word.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 09 novembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[100k]

fortunesque wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Goody Two Shoes wrote...

Love where this thread is headed.

As do I. Some of this VS fanrage is simply delightful.

Typical BSN, laughing at how people are upset and showing absolutely no human decency toward others. What are you, five?

Take my hand. I will lead you to the rest of the internet.

[jeweledleah]

1136342t54 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

for some people 80 dollars is trivial. for me - its week's worth of groceries for 2 people.

this whole judging things trivial goes both ways. just becasue something is trivial for you, doesn't mean you can or should dismiss it as trivial for someone else - especially when its pretty obvious that they don't feel that whatever it is they are upset about - is trivial

This was never a argument about things being trivial (fortune turned it to one) this was mostly about why would some people laugh when others are upset or pissed about something. 


Edit: When you think about it. It seems pretty annoying to focus on one word (possibly badly used) to seriously drift from the actual argument and create a separate one about the relativeness of one word.

the argument being that shadenfreude is fine and dandy?   the single word in question plays into it, as its used as an excuse to justify it, so it really is directly connected to the argument.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:15 .

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jeweledleah wrote...
the argument being that shadenfreude is fine and dandy?   the single word in question plays into it, as its used as an excuse to justify it, so it really is directly connected to the argument.

Not an excuse but one of reasons why people find things on BSN funny. Plus the other part of the argument that you both ignored is what would happen if that person simply didn't ignore the person and bothered to discuss it with them on a discussion thread.

Arguing whether using a word that can be relative as a reason for an action won't get you anywhere. I could easily say you shouldn't laugh when someone does something you think is stupid but to them it could be rather intelligent or makes sense give where they come from.

Edit: I wasn't even defending no other poster I was explaining why I'd rather laugh at situation on BSN that I find rather funny due to it being trivial, stupid or any number of reasons that I or anyone else could laugh. If my laughing that is somewhere kilometers away from you and isn't even posted on a forum is somehow offending you then I don't know what to say. I sometimes laugh and when the complaints seem reasonable I like to discuss it.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 09 novembre 2011 - 05:24 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

 All I will say is please keep the endings intact.  I know the "ultimate" looked weird on paper, but I'm sure it'll make perfect sense in context, and am intrigued to see how it will play out.  Most people complaining aren't even thinking about what it would look like in context.

[jeweledleah]

1136342t54 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
the argument being that shadenfreude is fine and dandy?   the single word in question plays into it, as its used as an excuse to justify it, so it really is directly connected to the argument.

Not an excuse but one of reasons why people find things on BSN funny. Plus the other part of the argument that you both ignored is what would happen if that person simply didn't ignore the person and bothered to discuss it with them on a discussion thread.

Arguing whether using a word that can be relative as a reason for an action won't get you anywhere. I could easily say you shouldn't laugh when someone does something you think is stupid but to them it could be rather intelligent or makes sense give where they come from.

Edit: I wasn't even defending no other poster I was explaining why I'd rather laugh at situation on BSN that I find rather funny due to it being trivial, stupid or any number of reasons that I or anyone else could laugh. If my laughing that is somewhere kilometers away from you and isn't even posted on a forum is somehow offending you then I don't know what to say. I sometimes laugh and when the complaints seem reasonable I like to discuss it.

see, there you go again, calling the situation trivil.  it is purely your opinion that it is.  you are trivializing other people's feelings and emotions and then you push it even further by making it sound like they must be..  off in some way, for allowing hurtful dismissive words to actualy get to them

not everyone has thick skin. 

and you know, you could always just.. you know laugh at the comments you find on a more stupid side... in private.  you don't always have to voice it.  you are doing it, BECAUSE you know that it would add to their anger and/or distress.  Shadenfreude.

[1136342t54_]

jeweledleah wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
the argument being that shadenfreude is fine and dandy?   the single word in question plays into it, as its used as an excuse to justify it, so it really is directly connected to the argument.

Not an excuse but one of reasons why people find things on BSN funny. Plus the other part of the argument that you both ignored is what would happen if that person simply didn't ignore the person and bothered to discuss it with them on a discussion thread.

Arguing whether using a word that can be relative as a reason for an action won't get you anywhere. I could easily say you shouldn't laugh when someone does something you think is stupid but to them it could be rather intelligent or makes sense give where they come from.

Edit: I wasn't even defending no other poster I was explaining why I'd rather laugh at situation on BSN that I find rather funny due to it being trivial, stupid or any number of reasons that I or anyone else could laugh. If my laughing that is somewhere kilometers away from you and isn't even posted on a forum is somehow offending you then I don't know what to say. I sometimes laugh and when the complaints seem reasonable I like to discuss it.

see, there you go again, calling the situation trivil.  it is purely your opinion that it is.  you are trivializing other people's feelings and emotions and then you push it even further by making it sound like they must be..  off in some way, for allowing hurtful dismissive words to actualy get to them

not everyone has thick skin. 

and you know, you could always just.. you know laugh at the comments you find on a more stupid side... in private.  you don't always have to voice it.  you are doing it, BECAUSE you know that it would add to their anger and/or distress.  Shadenfreude.

What situation? I haven't called anything trivial in my post I'm saying it could be one of the things I'm laughing at.

Also how the hell could I hurt someone's feelings by not posting laughter or posting "this is funny."? If you don't focus on the word trivial you would actually know I said it could either I see it as stupid, trivial or any number of reasons. Hell it doesn't have to be over anyone specific.

Unless your thin skinned person has super hearing I doubt there feelings can be hurt by me finding something humorous.

Please read the entire post before posting.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 09 novembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[jeweledleah]

I did read your entire post before posting. you finding something humorous is fine and dandy. you expressing it on the actual forums, with intent to take a dig at the person you just found stupid and/or humorous is a whole other story.

posting this is funny, watching all the VS supporter rage - is a very obvious Schadenfreude. and its completely unnecessary. and yes, it can be hurtful to some, challenge to others.

[didymos1120]

OK, how 'bout this: have a little empathy for those of us who are completely bored by this little off-topic spat about schadenfreude and the appropriateness thereof?

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jeweledleah wrote...

I did read your entire post before posting. you finding something humorous is fine and dandy. you expressing it on the actual forums, with intent to take a dig at the person you just found stupid and/or humorous is a whole other story.

posting this is funny, watching all the VS supporter rage - is a very obvious Schadenfreude. and its completely unnecessary. and yes, it can be hurtful to some, challenge to others.

I am going to say this to make it much much more obvious to you since again you did not read my post.

If I find it funny and not post it how the hell will it hurt someone's fillings?

Actually when did I specifically say I would actually post and express it to them that they are stupid? Hell why would you make an assumption that I dislike VS supporters when I didn't even mention them becuase it sounds like you are putting words in my mouth.