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[Fordtransit]

I may be just stupied, but i still hope that leaked story line was barebone non imported Sheps story line.
I still hope that for thous who have been playing thru ME1 and ME2 there are more options and depth for main story line development.

HEVY SPOILER WARNING!
For instance the truexxxx status in leaked material looks like the xxxxx loyalty mission was never done. This loyalty mission could then had mayor concequences for main story line.

[DiebytheSword]

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

That depends who you ask.  Myself and a few others liked it enough that we are willing to give it a chance going forward.  Many others did not, but I have noticed around half of the haters not even understanding what they read, coming to bad conclusions off of half missing data.  Others make claims that are simply not in the datamine.

[CptData]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Genshie wrote...
What I am getting sick of is everyone automatically assuming that ending to the leak script is 100% true. I am sick of Nancys taking the script so seriously when it is old as heck.  And people who don't think that Bioware can't change things in 4+ months. (They may not be able to change anything huge but that doesn't mean the can't change things at all)

Statistics and probability.
Almost every time a scrip for a game has been leaked, the end game was practicly the same. Ayn changes were cosmetic in nature. And given that it's only a few months left, I'd say chances are that that scrip is what's really going on. Chances of any major changes (and major changes would be necessary) is miniscule.

Besides, what's in the script is totally something EA/BioWare would do now, so why should anyone have any trouble believing it?

True. Then we have word of BW there'll be a "perfect ending" you can achieve by maxing out "galactic readiness" - either by picking the "right choices" in the series and / or by doing co-op missions.

Now I have no idea what BW considers as a "perfect ending", that's still something we can debate. My "perfect ending" is one with galaxy saved, all species saved and Shepard getting the girl (or boy if you like). Maybe my "perfect ending" is the same BW staff has in mind, but that's not a necessary fact. Could be different. Maybe BW's "perfect ending" is pretty much the same but Shepard had to sacrifice him/herself to achieve that victory. Wouldn't be perfect in my eyes, but BW considers it as "perfect".

[marstor05]

I would PMSL if when ME3 is released, theres a bug on XBL - thanks Microshaft.

[Texhnolyze101]

Can someone PM me the leaked story? i have been busy so i don't know about any of this "leak" business.

[Alex_SM]

Someone With Mass wrote...

With a dated script, they have no reason to give false information and they're just saying "Hey, some of this might make it into the final game and some of it won't, so we're urging you to not take it all to the heart."

Lying about leaked information (or leaked betas) is the same damage control every company always do. I've never seen a company saying "Ok, that's true, what you saw is what you're gonna find". Even in cases where the beta was actually better than the final game (Crysis 2). 

[LGTX]

Lying? They themselves have no idea how much it will change. Game development is EXTREMELY variable when it comes to finalized elements, they literally do not know how much, and in what form, will be implemented material from that script. Sure, what's THERE might be an outline of what MAY end up in the final game, but they are not lying when they say that nothing is certain for now. They can't be.

[CptData]

Lets put it this way: the less time has passend between "now" and the date when the "early draft" was made, the less likely any major changes happened or will happen anymore.

If the draft is older than a year a lot of stuff could have changed, if it's younger than half a year it can be considered as "final". Because dev team needs time for levels and cut scenes - you can't change much as soon as most of the game has been done already.

[Alex_SM]

LGTX wrote...

Lying? They themselves have no idea how much it will change. Game development is EXTREMELY variable when it comes to finalized elements, they literally do not know how much, and in what form, will be implemented material from that script. Sure, what's THERE might be an outline of what MAY end up in the final game, but they are not lying when they say that nothing is certain for now. They can't be.

I'll say it with other words:

It doesn't matter if it's the first draft ever done or the actual final script. It doesn't matter if it's 100% diferent, or 100% the same. It doesn't matter if it's one year old, or one week old. Bioware will always say the same no matter the case, because that's what everyone does. 

If it's the first draft they are going to say "don't worry, it's old and incomplete"
If it's the final script they are going to say "don't worry, it's old and incomplete"


It's called damage control. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 10 novembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[LGTX]

Alex_SM wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Lying? They themselves have no idea how much it will change. Game development is EXTREMELY variable when it comes to finalized elements, they literally do not know how much, and in what form, will be implemented material from that script. Sure, what's THERE might be an outline of what MAY end up in the final game, but they are not lying when they say that nothing is certain for now. They can't be.

It's called damage control. 

And with that I agree. It's called damage control.

Not lying.

[Alex_SM]

LGTX wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Lying? They themselves have no idea how much it will change. Game development is EXTREMELY variable when it comes to finalized elements, they literally do not know how much, and in what form, will be implemented material from that script. Sure, what's THERE might be an outline of what MAY end up in the final game, but they are not lying when they say that nothing is certain for now. They can't be.

It's called damage control. 

And with that I agree. It's called damage control.

Not lying.

Damage control usually implies lying. Because usually things are closer to what users think than what companies say. 

Nowadays everyone should have clear that the official word of 99,9% of companies in the world can't be trusted. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:02 .

[armass]

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

Overall it was good to me, lot's of drama in there. Presentation has alot to do with it too and so far we have only seen whats in the demo, and from what i can tell the scenes are cinematic and fantastic, I can guarantee on my part at least one dev promise: You will indeed cry, if you have any attachment to characters and people from this universe. I don't blame em if they decide to go with this draft plot, but some decisions and lack of them from the previous games are odd/disturbing... thats all i will say.

However this is still a draft, i think the decision parts might change. Overall plot and ending will probably stay about the same.

Expect a full review from me after I have played the finished game.

Modifié par armass, 10 novembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[Iakus]

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I haven't read all the spoilers, but from what I have, it's not that bad.  I don't like how a couple of characters are portrayed ('Bioware punching bags" is the term I've seen used), and there's at least one pretty ridiculous plot point.  But I also acknowledge that this it's clearly a work in progress and very much incomplete.  The story itself looks like it will be very gripping and emotional.  A darker act than the "dark second act" could have hoped to be.

[Nerevar-as]

I was reading through the leak but I dropped it after I got to a particular sadist choice. Not so much for the situation itself as to it resulted from Shepard getting cutscene incompetence. Defeat an enemy who then wins when the game takes control. Then the choice as a consequence. I hope that didn´t make the cut.

[Iakus]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I was reading through the leak but I dropped it after I got to a particular sadist choice. Not so much for the situation itself as to it resulted from Shepard getting cutscene incompetence. Defeat an enemy who then wins when the game takes control. Then the choice as a consequence. I hope that didn´t make the cut.

I think I know the part you mean, and I agree.

[BobTheAndroid]

Hi,
I have a question for those who have read the script:

Will I have the option to finish the game with only choosing from the main squad, or the other temporary squadmates will be forced on me like in the loyalty missions in ME"2" ?

This is more SPOILERish

Will Shepards resurrection properly be explained and will it have any kind of meaning to the story?

Thanks

Modifié par BobTheAndroid, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I was reading through the leak but I dropped it after I got to a particular sadist choice. Not so much for the situation itself as to it resulted from Shepard getting cutscene incompetence. Defeat an enemy who then wins when the game takes control. Then the choice as a consequence. I hope that didn´t make the cut.

... yay.  

Not what I want to hear about a game I used to look forward to.

I hate those sorts of moments in games... no matter what you do, here comes the cutscene, to get things back on track for the oh-so-precious story that the devs just want so much to show us. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Urazz]

iakus wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I haven't read all the spoilers, but from what I have, it's not that bad.  I don't like how a couple of characters are portrayed ('Bioware punching bags" is the term I've seen used), and there's at least one pretty ridiculous plot point.  But I also acknowledge that this it's clearly a work in progress and very much incomplete.  The story itself looks like it will be very gripping and emotional.  A darker act than the "dark second act" could have hoped to be.

Yeah, I saw the spoilers myself and I have to say it looks good but is definately incomplete and I'm not disappointed by it.  Regardless I'm going to get the game for a more complete/final story along with the gameplay.

Modifié par Urazz, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:54 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I thought it could use some changes here and there, but it was pretty good.

It's just that some people will whine obsessively about it no matter what BW will do, because the script isn't pleasing their needs and their needs alone.

[Kanon777]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I thought it could use some changes here and there, but it was pretty good.

It's just that some people will whine obsessively about it no matter what BW will do, because the script isn't pleasing their needs and their needs alone.

Especially Cerberus Idealists, they will be forced to face the truth they ignored for so long...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I thought it could use some changes here and there, but it was pretty good.

It's just that some people will whine obsessively about it no matter what BW will do, because the script isn't pleasing their needs and their needs alone.

And some people might complain because it's just plain bad. 

Gonna have to read the leaks tonight to find out.

[Someone With Mass]

Alright, so it's not a masterpiece, but that's the thing.

I'm not expecting BioWare to revolutionize gaming and story telling as we know it with each game release. I just want an entertaining game.

[CptBomBom00]

I think reading leaks will give nothing, mainly because BW, will alter script somehow.

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Was the script this bad?...

I thought it could use some changes here and there, but it was pretty good.

It's just that some people will whine obsessively about it no matter what BW will do, because the script isn't pleasing their needs and their needs alone.

By calling a old as Datamine that shows a really rough draft of some of the plot is a stretch at best.