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[Ieldra]

Hmm....not sure how I should take the general tone of the responses here.

Having skimmed the leaked material and analyzed parts of it closely, I can see a great deal of good, exciting stuff, and not really all that much bad stuff. The main plot is absolutely great, it has aspects I've always wanted to see in a Mass Effect story (can't tell without spoiling) and I can't wait to see it playing out on my monitor.

One character appears to get a really bad deal and the story arc for my favorite appears to have one, possibly two unforgiveable omissions (look in her thread, top of page 830 for details - I hope this non-link reference is allowed). That does not make me happy, but I'm not sure how to take it since the material is incomplete and what's missing may yet materialize. If things stay the way they appear, I'm primed to post that epic rant I've promised for that occasion. But only then. And the pattern that emerges indicates that we might be in for a hell of a ride.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 novembre 2011 - 01:09 .

[Ryutak]

I want to ask if someone know what choice(s) i must do to have a geth on my side in ME3?

[SovereignWillReturn]

Honestly, I've learned a ton of spoilers from the game just from reading these forums, I'm a lurker and I admit it.
This is also my first post.

But I digress

What I want to matter most is that the promise Bioware made to me when I was but a lad of 14, buying Mass Effect 1 for my Xbox 360. I want them to honor that my choices I make will have MAJOR impact on the sequel games, not different conversation choices, or maybe an extra mission. I want my Mass Effect 3 experience to reflect what exactly I've done in the past, and probably cause my playthrough to fail. I want to experience failure or bad things due to wrong choices, no retconning, or any of that other BS that makes ME3 accessable to first time series players.

I want my game to drastically change because of the things I selected in the first two games, and that's a huge reason why I'm keeping my preorder for this game.

Basically, this game is make it or break it for Bioware. If they screw this up, it'll be my last game because I'll know the devs can't keep their word and the reason why this series was so successful in the first place.

[alperez]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Basically, this game is make it or break it for Bioware. If they screw this up, it'll be my last game because I'll know the devs can't keep their word and the reason why this series was so successful in the first place.

Thats pretty much how i feel, to me if what we get is a complete dismissal or negating of the choices we've made then everything about mass effect we were told is complete bs. We kept faith in me2 because we pretty much bought the explantion that it would be me3 where we really see the affects of choices we'd made thus far, we kept faith after da2 because we understood why things may have turned out as they did.

But the handling of MP and the continued pr responses when we brought up issues that we were concerned with have created a situation imo where it gets to the point we have to ask can we even trust them to do the things they say they're doing, so i'm at the same point as you, me3 will define whether or not i can ever trust them again and once trust is gone, its very hard to restore.

[SovereignWillReturn]

MP I'm being optimistic about since I saw the introduction of MP into Assassin's Creed, and by far it's one of the most enjoyable MP's I've played in a long time, and it's being handled by a separate studio from the Bioware studio doing the main story, so it's like a car radio made in a different location, but added to a car made in Michigan to make a metaphor.

The PR situation I don't know what to think. On one hand, I've read spoilers that were posted here on BSN, and I was disappointed by lack of choice. But I'm thinking it was a non-carried over play-through, and was an early rough draft too. So I'm trying to stay optimistic.

[alperez]

SovereignWillReturn

I don't have an issue with MP itself, its more how the announcement was handled, we all knew it was going to be included in some form, when the game was delayed it became even more clear, but the continued non commital answers, closing discussion about it and then how it was confirmed just left a bad taste in my mouth.

As for the pr, again its always the same thing, either deny or cloud the issue with non commital answers, until the truth that most already knew in the first place ends up being confrimed anyway, that leads to a lack of trust imo.

Realistically we should be able to take their word in terms of the spoilers. if they're old or if they've actually changed or are still been worked on, we should be able to trust what they tell us.

Unfortunately experience continually tells us that this is often not the case, they've created a lack of trust in their own product by how they handle any possible negative announcement or anything that could be perceived negatively by any of the fans.

So when they say things now, some people me included just can't believe what they say, which goes back to everything they;ve said regarding choices etc in mass effect and is why to me its the last chance saloon for them, others feel different and that's their perogative, for me though if what i've read turns out to be true, i'm done.

[LGTX]

alperez wrote...

SovereignWillReturn

I don't have an issue with MP itself, its more how the announcement was handled, we all knew it was going to be included in some form, when the game was delayed it became even more clear, but the continued non commital answers, closing discussion about it and then how it was confirmed just left a bad taste in my mouth.

As for the pr, again its always the same thing, either deny or cloud the issue with non commital answers, until the truth that most already knew in the first place ends up being confrimed anyway, that leads to a lack of trust imo.

Realistically we should be able to take their word in terms of the spoilers. if they're old or if they've actually changed or are still been worked on, we should be able to trust what they tell us.

Unfortunately experience continually tells us that this is often not the case, they've created a lack of trust in their own product by how they handle any possible negative announcement or anything that could be perceived negatively by any of the fans.

So when they say things now, some people me included just can't believe what they say, which goes back to everything they;ve said regarding choices etc in mass effect and is why to me its the last chance saloon for them, others feel different and that's their perogative, for me though if what i've read turns out to be true, i'm done.

What do you expect them to do? Overhaul their marketing strategies just to appeal to a group of people who "lost trust in their word"? 

[lucidfox]

Yes, if said group is large enough.

[LGTX]

lucidfox wrote...

Yes, if said group is large enough.

Thanks for the honest answer... and for bringing out my point.

These forums aren't by far the fanbase majority OR the target demographic of marketing Bioware has going. It probably never will. It's but a viable feedback source at best.

Modifié par LGTX, 18 novembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[lucidfox]

Target demographic? You mean the people they're trying to appease by including same-sex relationships in their games? Or by having a team of female writers specifically for monitoring that the female Shepard is handled tastefully?

(Both of which I welcome, by the way.)

For a long time I kept to myself and simply played the games (and discussed them with my few friends). I came to these forums after reading the leak, to voice my concerns about it. There is no impenetrable wall between the forums and the majority of players, at least not nearly as impenetrable as some people here try to portray it.

[onelifecrisis]

lucidfox wrote...

Target demographic? You mean the people they're trying to appease by including same-sex relationships in their games? Or by having a team of female writers specifically for monitoring that the female Shepard is handled tastefully?

(Both of which I welcome, by the way.)

For a long time I kept to myself and simply played the games (and discussed them with my few friends). I came to these forums after reading the leak, to voice my concerns about it. There is no impenetrable wall between the forums and the majority of players, at least not nearly as impenetrable as some people here try to portray it.

HA, awesome. I think you just won the internet.

[puppy maclove]

alperez wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Basically, this game is make it or break it for Bioware. If they screw this up, it'll be my last game because I'll know the devs can't keep their word and the reason why this series was so successful in the first place.

Thats pretty much how i feel, to me if what we get is a complete dismissal or negating of the choices we've made then everything about mass effect we were told is complete bs. We kept faith in me2 because we pretty much bought the explantion that it would be me3 where we really see the affects of choices we'd made thus far, we kept faith after da2 because we understood why things may have turned out as they did.

But the handling of MP and the continued pr responses when we brought up issues that we were concerned with have created a situation imo where it gets to the point we have to ask can we even trust them to do the things they say they're doing, so i'm at the same point as you, me3 will define whether or not i can ever trust them again and once trust is gone, its very hard to restore.

I share both your sentiments here. ME3 is make or break for Bioware IMO.

[alperez]

LGTX wrote...

What do you expect them to do? Overhaul their marketing strategies just to appeal to a group of people who "lost trust in their word"? 

Nope, nothing i say or do alone will force them to change their strategy, but if that strategy alienates enough people then it should force a rethink.

The simple truth which applies to me in this case is i disagree with the strategy they've used in how they inform people of certain elements in the game, its because of this strategy that i've gone from someone who believed most of the promises they made in terms of mass effect and other bioware titles to someone who no longer believes anything they say regarding their games.

I bought the explanations behind why certain things were done a certain way in me2 and why dragon age 2 was done a certain way and because of the goodwill i had towards bioware i accepted thier word that things would be different and that any mistakes they had made would be taken on board and addressed.

Then as we get closer and closer to the release of me3 i see that this doesn't actually seem to be the case, that once again the same old explantions for things are trotted out and we're told that we shouldn't be concerned because Bioware understand our concerns and are always taking feedback to rectify those concerns.

The problem is that its been said before and i believed them only to find that belief to be misguided, so this time round they don't have the same amount of goodwill on my part because of this, which leaves the proof to be in the pudding so to speak.

So i'm left in the position where i'll buy and play me3 and judge for myself whether or not what we've been told has actually been the truth or has it once again just been marketing pr to try and keep people on board, the only thing is that this time because of leaks and certain other things rather than be willing to just accept it and move on, i'm now at a crossroads in terms of whether or not i can continue to support bioware's future projects.

In the end as a consumer that's the only choice we really have, do we continue to shell out or money on products and companies we may not no longer like or trust or do we vote with our wallet and take our buisiness elsewhere, for me me3 will define which of these is the option i'll take.

[SovereignWillReturn]

LGTX wrote...
What do you expect them to do? Overhaul their marketing strategies just to appeal to a group of people who "lost trust in their word"? 

I expect a company that promises me something, to keep that promise.

If you're friend promises to pay back the 50 dollars he borrowed and doesn't pay it back, would you immediatly trust him, and give him another 50 dollars when he asks?

I'd be really reproachful about giving him money at all, and that's how I feel with BIoware.

I'm reproachingly optimistic, but after what I've seen thusfar, I honestly don't know. I'm a guy who believes in some sembelance of honor, so if I promise something, I give hell to see that I keep it. So when I see someone breaking promises, I really don't trust them.

[ArkkAngel007]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Honestly, I've learned a ton of spoilers from the game just from reading these forums, I'm a lurker and I admit it.
This is also my first post.

But I digress

What I want to matter most is that the promise Bioware made to me when I was but a lad of 14, buying Mass Effect 1 for my Xbox 360. I want them to honor that my choices I make will have MAJOR impact on the sequel games, not different conversation choices, or maybe an extra mission. I want my Mass Effect 3 experience to reflect what exactly I've done in the past, and probably cause my playthrough to fail. I want to experience failure or bad things due to wrong choices, no retconning, or any of that other BS that makes ME3 accessable to first time series players.

I want my game to drastically change because of the things I selected in the first two games, and that's a huge reason why I'm keeping my preorder for this game.

Basically, this game is make it or break it for Bioware. If they screw this up, it'll be my last game because I'll know the devs can't keep their word and the reason why this series was so successful in the first place.

I think the MP announcement had more to do with EA wanting to attract stock owners or something.  Most major announcements regarding a game are done either at an event such as E3 or Gamescom where the media is present to get out the word, or nearly quarterly reports outlining and informing stock holders where they are putting their faith into.  I haven't checked when EA issues them, so I could be wrong, but sounds likely.

And tbh, what game really changes everything?  You'd have to have like 10+ versions of the entire game if there was some major impact.  Aside from cutscenes/dialogue...you can't really get too much.  I think people read way too much into the major impact statements.  And if you had read the draft of the script, it doesn't indicate what choices were made to influence what happens, such as a certain major conflict.  This is why devs hate it when people leak it out early, because it really isn't anywhere near a true representation of the product.  It takes more than lines of dialogue and notes on scenes to truly represent a game.

I understand where you're coming from, though.  Hopefully you'll enjoy this game.

[HiroVoid]

I still think Alpha Protocol did the best job of incorporating your choices in a game, but granted, it was a single game.

As for choices mattering, it's not going to matter that much. They don't want to tell gamers they should, or that it's better to play the previous game before they buy the new one. Therefore, it's important to make each new game accessible.

For multiplayer, I honestly don't think it's going to make much of a difference. Most people get the MP for vs against each other, not co-op. I'm more surprised you can't play as Cerberus operatives or indoctrinated people since they could have done that to get the vs against each other if they wanted those sales.

For Marketing, yeah. I basically have to be skeptical with just about everything I hear now. It's almost like 'Peter Molyneaux' level now. I hear something, so when the game comes out, I should only expect it to be about half-good. I do enjoy the posts in the Twitter though.

As for the game, I expect it to have a good story and good companion interaction, but I really wouldn't get your hopes up about choices too high. It would surprise the heck out of me if that got done very well.

[Indoctrination]

I wouldn't care so much about choices not mattering if BioWare didn't let people like Casey Hudson constantly lie about it to us. At this point how shameless do you have to be to be a BioWare employee and tell consumers that choices are going to matter with a straight face?

[darthnick427]

hey can someone PM me the squad list for ME3. Who's permanent who's temporary and who's a cameo and who's new and if they're new what race. No story spoilers tho. Just the roster. thanks

[Dreadwing 67]

lol I read some of the spoilers......Don't get the hate, many people seem to imply that they know exactly how everything is gonna be and how every variation will play out right down to the letter.

I do not know if your choice will affect the WHOLE plot, but definitely the universe and how things are after the war. Unless everyone dies (speculation, did not dare read any end game spoilers....or nature of the reapers.)

I did like alot of what I read and am even more excited for the game now.....D*** march 6..... I got jury duty that day.

[Troika0]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

lol I read some of the spoilers......Don't get the hate, many people seem to imply that they know exactly how everything is gonna be and how every variation will play out right down to the letter.

I do not know if your choice will affect the WHOLE plot, but definitely the universe and how things are after the war. Unless everyone dies (speculation, did not dare read any end game spoilers....or nature of the reapers.)

I did like alot of what I read and am even more excited for the game now.....D*** march 6..... I got jury duty that day.

How can you defend the script as a whole if you haven't actually read the script as a whole?

[Patius Mehaffius]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

lol I read some of the spoilers......Don't get the hate, many people seem to imply that they know exactly how everything is gonna be and how every variation will play out right down to the letter.

I do not know if your choice will affect the WHOLE plot, but definitely the universe and how things are after the war. Unless everyone dies (speculation, did not dare read any end game spoilers....or nature of the reapers.)

I did like alot of what I read and am even more excited for the game now.....D*** march 6..... I got jury duty that day.

Do I have advice for you! Just give an opinion on EVERYTHING. If it's a criminal case, mention that you think the justice system is broken. (Even if you don't.) The'll drop you, you'll get your six bucks to spend on a pizza while you play ME3.


Yeah, while I've only had two things spoiled, one of them didn't surprise me (I kind of expected it to happen in ME2, but it didn't), and the other one, while initially shocking, isn't a huge deal either, especially since I've made similar choices in other Bioware properties that I loved. (Unlike it's sequel, which I only liked.)

[Dreadwing 67]

Troika0 wrote...

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

lol I read some of the spoilers......Don't get the hate, many people seem to imply that they know exactly how everything is gonna be and how every variation will play out right down to the letter.

I do not know if your choice will affect the WHOLE plot, but definitely the universe and how things are after the war. Unless everyone dies (speculation, did not dare read any end game spoilers....or nature of the reapers.)

I did like alot of what I read and am even more excited for the game now.....D*** march 6..... I got jury duty that day.

How can you defend the script as a whole if you haven't actually read the script as a whole?

I am not defending. All I said is I like what I read and don't understand the Abandonship mentality.Things may not go the way you want, But this is a god damn war against the reapers, sorry bros. Plus I don't want to read the entire thing and get spoiled completely.

Whether or not choice matters, we will find out March 6. To say that you can know exactly that from a script on a pre-release demo is saying alot more than just reading a few spoilers and defending it.

Lol Patius, I get 40 dollars if I am actually on duty, 25 if I don't. TWO extra large pizzas to last me the day.

Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 19 novembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[kingcake777]

if any one has it please contact me

[Genshie]

Indoctrination wrote...

I wouldn't care so much about choices not mattering if BioWare didn't let people like Casey Hudson constantly lie about it to us. At this point how shameless do you have to be to be a BioWare employee and tell consumers that choices are going to matter with a straight face?

Until the game is out and someone has actually played through all the scenarios you can not say that they are or not lying to us. You sir are assuming before the product is actually released that they have. In fact right now due to the leak it has already been confirmed that they are making changes even right now to appease you people who can't seem to keep their pants on and must know what is going to happen and assume from TEXT on how it is going to be delivered without any other context whatsoever even after Casey and several staff have already said that leak was not 100% accurate and that there were already changes implemented.  The Mass Effect team has not lied one bit and just because you assume they are from the way they phrase their answers during interviews, such as the whole multiplayer co-op situation, is your fault.

Modifié par Genshie, 19 novembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[AquamanOS]

Patius Mehaffius wrote...
Do I have advice for you! Just give an opinion on EVERYTHING. If it's a criminal case, mention that you think the justice system is broken. (Even if you don't.) The'll drop you, you'll get your six bucks to spend on a pizza while you play ME3.

What he said. Also give them the impression you're a biased, opinionated impatient, quick to judge, hothead. Basically imply that you'll decide whether or not you think the person is guilty within two seconds of first laying eyes on them and aren't going to pay attention to a single thing that's actually said in court.

They'll drop you, and you probably won't be called back to jury duty ever again. You'll be back home by the end of the day at the latest depending on when they question you.