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[StephanieBengal]

Some of y'all take gaming way too seriously...

Sucks to be you.

[lucidfox]

Genshie wrote...
The Mass Effect team has not lied one bit

...Ahahahaha...

Ehheheheh...

Be right back, when I'm done laughing.

[Ieldra]

HiroVoid wrote...
I still think Alpha Protocol did the best job of incorporating your choices in a game, but granted, it was a single game.

AP was much less complex in terms of decisions and almost more one-sided than the ME games. But yes, that it's only one game is part of what made it less complex. I'm sure the choices you make within ME3 will have significant consequences. Also dead or alive squadmates from ME1 and ME2 will matter. The annoying part is that the big endgame decisions appear to have mostly cosmetic effects. And don't get me started about the Rachni should that turn out as it appears. 

As for choices mattering, it's not going to matter that much. They don't want to tell gamers they should, or that it's better to play the previous game before they buy the new one. Therefore, it's important to make each new game accessible.

It would be easy to fix. Just set the default for imported games to the decision considered the best. Or even better, make balanced consequences, avoid making one option better than the other, then set the default to the one you think most players would take (usually the Paragon choice, I'd think).

Apart from that, while I agree that the game must be accessible to newcomers to the ME universe, I do think people should eventually play all three games. It's a trilogy after all. It doesn't make sense to start at  the finale.

Edit:
To defend Casey Hudson's statement that ME3 is the best entry-point: from a gaming perspective, it actually is. I think it's safe to say that ME3 will have the best game mechanics of all three games, and probably the best art style as well - ME1 art looks a bit drab these days, ME2 had that comic book aesthetic they appear to move away from somewhat. So for newcomers, it really *is* best to play ME3 first and if they like the universe enough to put up with the earlier games' flaws, then they can play the complete trilogy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:53 .

[Genshie]

lucidfox wrote...

Genshie wrote...
The Mass Effect team has not lied one bit

...Ahahahaha...

Ehheheheh...

Be right back, when I'm done laughing.

No they haven't. Like I said at this point in time until the game's release we have really no say if they have or have not. Your response is not really productive either and doesn't help your case at all. Besides can you name one thing they have lied about that doesn't rely on the use of the leaked script as proof? Since it is not a valid source you can't.

Modifié par Genshie, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:55 .

[Quole]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Some of y'all take gaming way too seriously...

Sucks to be you.

Some of you all make up words like: y`all, and other moronic ****.

[Troika0]

lucidfox wrote...

Genshie wrote...
The Mass Effect team has not lied one bit

...Ahahahaha...

Ehheheheh...

Be right back, when I'm done laughing.

I really just don't understand Bioware's compulsion to over-promise on choice-and-consequence and then completely under-deliver. 

As for lies and broken promises, I could have sworn they boasted multiple methods to beat the reapers--not just Ferelden style pallet swap armies--including red-herrings. I don't know, maybe I just imagined that. At the very least the leak contradicts what they've been saying about the Illusive Man.

Oh, and yeah, the ramifications for the rachni decision are completely farkakte.

Modifié par Troika0, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Troika0 wrote...

I really just don't understand Bioware's compulsion to over-promise on choice-and-consequence and then completely under-deliver. 

Imagine that Bioware is a horny young guy, and you are the attractive you woman who's flirting back by paying attention and going about how impressive what he's saying is.

Only instead of getting into your pants, Bioware gets into your wallet.

[Troika0]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Troika0 wrote...

I really just don't understand Bioware's compulsion to over-promise on choice-and-consequence and then completely under-deliver. 

Imagine that Bioware is a horny young guy, and you are the attractive you woman who's flirting back by paying attention and going about how impressive what he's saying is.

Only instead of getting into your pants, Bioware gets into your wallet.

Meh, I suppose. Always gave them the benefit of the doubt and just assumed it was years of being the critics darling going to their collective heads. 

[Homebound]

i hope we see Tali's face.

[DarthSliver]

Hellbound555 wrote...

i hope we see Tali's face.

I hope its only revealed to the Player that imports so certain requirements in ME2 have to be meant. I dont think it would be fair to the loyal fans that her face was revealed doing the comic type choices at the beginning of ME3.

[iSpy]

hate spoilers dawg

[realguile]

StephanieBengal wrote...

Some of y'all take gaming way too seriously...

Sucks to be you.

This. Get off these boards and relax.

This board will explode when this game launches. Even moreso than the DA2 boards did.

Good lord.

[Ieldra]

realguile wrote...
This board will explode when this game launches. Even moreso than the DA2 boards did.

Not sure if you meant that seriously, but as far as negative reactions go, I very much doubt that. If it weren't for my concerns about Miranda, I would be very excited about ME3. I'm convinced it will be the best game of the trilogy, certain admittedly very annoying design decisions notwithstanding. 

It's probably too much to expect from these forums, but I'd recommend that we avoid blowing perceived flaws up out of proportion. Sometimes I think people here exist to complain. Well, I complain, too, but I try to be careful not to forget the many things I likely won't have to complain about. 
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 novembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[CARL_DF90]

I hear ya', although sometimes those people who moan and complain get Bioware to change flawed not-so-things on occation. Still, there are occations where I question myself for having signed up on these forums in the first place. I initially did it for my fandom of the ME series. I still love it mind you although some decisions being made make me wonder where the series will be going. Good thing I'm taking the "wait & see" approach with the ME3 story and I am still very much excited for it. Still completing some run-throughs and building up new import profiles. I am still left baffled at how Bioware could have been so careless as to let this happen to begin with. Hope they learn something from this.

As far as Bioware delaying ME3's release, I don't see it happening although it is my belief a summer release would be MORE beneficial to Bioware. People tend to have more time on their hands during the summer months afterall. Just switch some numbers around and you get, 6-3-12. Just dreaming I suppose.

[alperez]

Like Ieldra i'm convinced that me3 will probably turn out to be the best game in the series, from a simple scope and single game experience it will i have no doubt blow me1 and me2 out of the water.

Where i have an issue though is will it be a satisfactory end to the trilogy?

If choice and consequence of those choices are reduced not to choices we've already made but choices we will make then imo it won't be. So far it doesn't look like playing the first 2 games will have done more than add a flavour to the last, which isn't what a lot of people were expecting, we already went that route with me2 and accepted it because it was the second game, whether people will do the same for the third is debateable.

The problem is Bioware didn't set out or didn't say they were setting out to create 3 seperate and distinct games in the same universe, they set out to create a trilogy where choice, consequence and you actions defined the nature of what happened in that universe, maybe it was an unrealistic goal, but its the goal they set for themselves, no one forced them to do it like that, they decided that was how they would go.

If choices we've made are basically negated, if character arcs we've followed from the first game are wrapped up badly or we see characters being forced to act ooc in order to fuel plot points, then what exactly defines this as a trilogy?

The same protagonist, the problem is by reducing the importance of choices we've made or by negating them completely, then apart from the name Shepard the protagonist could have been random soldier number 1, if the effects of the choices Shepard has made thus far bear no importance in the plot or the effects that Shepard and the other characters have had on each other is abandoned in order to fuel plot points, then in reality what's been the point of Shepard anyway.

Which is what really should define the difference between standalone games and a trilogy, in 3 standalone games where the effect of choice or consequences only really matters in that game then that's fine, people understand that and accept it, in a trilogy to do basically the same thing (especially when you promised otherwise) people unfortunately will not.

[FoxShadowblade]

Quole wrote...

StephanieBengal wrote...

Some of y'all take gaming way too seriously...

Sucks to be you.

Some of you all make up words like: y`all, and other moronic ****.

But who is the moron, the moron or the moron that insults him?

...Exactly.

You've never been to the southern states, have you?

[Bio Addict]

Ieldra2 wrote...

realguile wrote...
This board will explode when this game launches. Even moreso than the DA2 boards did.

Not sure if you meant that seriously, but as far as negative reactions go, I very much doubt that. If it weren't for my concerns about Miranda, I would be very excited about ME3. I'm convinced it will be the best game of the trilogy, certain admittedly very annoying design decisions notwithstanding. 

It's probably too much to expect from these forums, but I'd recommend that we avoid blowing perceived flaws up out of proportion. Sometimes I think people here exist to complain. Well, I complain, too, but I try to be careful not to forget the many things I likely won't have to complain about. 
 

Oh there will be complainers.  People who swear up and down that ME3 is the worst game ever made, that it's the last Bioware game they'll ever buy, that this is the final nail in the coffin for the Mass Effect series, and to top it all off they'll try to claim that their opinions are representative of the majority.  It happened with ME2 it will happen again.  Mark my words.  

[wright1978]

realguile wrote...
This board will explode when this game launches. Even moreso than the DA2 boards did.

Some the gameplay and environmental inadequacies coupled with the game being oversold caused DA2 problems. ME3 i fully expect to have extremely good gameplay and environment. It has been similarly oversold and while i fully expect there to be a degree of disppointment i don't think it will have the contagious ability of the DA2 criticism. My own personal view is that as a standalone game in isolation i'm sure it will be a good game but as the concluding part of a trilogy that i've deeply invested in i'm worried it will disappoint. If characters are sidelined into glamorised cameos and consequences of previous choices are purely cosmetic it doesn't matter how well told the story is or how good the combat is. I want March to arrive so i can find out if this isthe game i've been feverishly anticipating or a mid table also ran.

[Destroy Raiden_]

So will the game demo allow us to play it in all three modes? Because splitting these things up like this is not only confusing but it sounds bad. The demo should allow us to experience all three modes to understand how in game this is going to work no games have ever tried this and that's not necessarily a good thing. To me its an on paper bad idea playing all three modes will help me figure out if its turns out to be a realistic advancement for the gaming industry.

[Destroy Raiden_]

DarthSliver wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i hope we see Tali's face.

I hope its only revealed to the Player that imports so certain requirements in ME2 have to be meant. I dont think it would be fair to the loyal fans that her face was revealed doing the comic type choices at the beginning of ME3.

That and it would be nice if imported msheps get to see her reveal her face again on Rannoch at least Ieast (if it was won back peacefully) it would make it all the more a special occasion because the players get to see her so the score would then be shep 2 player 1. Maybe all LIs should have some secret moment with shep if players meet checks like Jack linked with import renshep she'll be one way and a para LI shep won't see that.

[legion999]

Is there more than one way to beat the reapers still? Or is it simply gather an army and have a giant battle?

[Someone With Mass]

legion999 wrote...

Is there more than one way to beat the reapers still? Or is it simply gather an army and have a giant battle?

I'd say that it's a bit of everything.

[ODST 3]

People will cry about anything that happens. I always thought I was a bit of a sci-fi nerd but the whiners on here make me feel quite normal.

[Dreadwing 67]

ODST 3 wrote...

People will cry about anything that happens. I always thought I was a bit of a sci-fi nerd but the whiners on here make me feel quite normal.

Cheers mate:police:

[legion999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is there more than one way to beat the reapers still? Or is it simply gather an army and have a giant battle?

I'd say that it's a bit of everything.

Thanks for clearing that up.