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[Raspberry_]

notice bioware already done some mistakes with choices in their last game,DA2 where you have a choice but what will happen to some characters will be the same no matter what you do or say. That's what really bothering me, lack or choices and lack of impact of your choices as some leaked script implies. i liked ME2 because it's allowed me to save everyone. if ME3 will follow this leaked script then it will be on par with DA2.....which is not good at all.

Modifié par Raspberry , 08 novembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mr.House wrote...

You guys also said the same thing when something like this happen with DAO and DA2, you also denied that Legion and Garrus where squadmates when that leak came out. Sorry Bioware but you can't fool me. Sure most of the stuff I read will be different or changed but certain big things will not change. I understand you can't tell the truth Biwoare but instead of telling us lies how about you make sure stuff like this does not happen? This has happen so far for three games, and you also had MoA leaked.

Okay, learn the difference between these leaks.

It'll help.

[IanPolaris]

KingDan97 wrote...

J.K. Rowling wrote the last paragraph of the 7th book before she even started the second book. Do you honestly expect us to believe she had everything else penned out just because she knew how it would end? This is a stated FIRST DRAFT of ME3, that means it was made after production started, so before the VGAs. if they're still nailing down story details now then how the hell does it make any sense that everything else has been set in stone since before ME2 launched.

Actually she did have large sections of the 7th book written out long before the series ended.  As for "first draft" I'd be careful about reading too much into what the OP said....because I seriously doubt that the "first draft" as defined by the OP is the same "first draft" as a writer would see it.  As for the rest, story *DETAILS* may be being nailed down late, but the basic story has to be finalized fairly early in the production process for what should be obvious reasons.

-Polaris

[jtav]

Here's the thing. The spoilers have had significant negative reception. I've canceled my pre-order over it and I'm not the only one. "Rough draft" doesn't cut it after the DAO and DA2 leaks and the fact that BW rumors are almost always true. They need to do something to reassure people. Footage of the VS being awesome, Tuchanka gameplay, a few lines from a returning character.

[onelifecrisis]

Nyoka wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I thought we were discussing the story leak?

So because they mention the Feron thing in the DLC (you never even get to see it, let alone play it), then the story of the intro isn't different?

They mention a lot of things in ME. First contact war, krogan rebellions, skyllian blitz, etc. Are you saying if ME was a game set on the krogan rebellions, the game wouldn't be any different storywise?

You seem to have lost the plot, so to speak.
Let's assume they just cut the whole rescue out and never put it in any DLC. The fact that they planned it, then cut it out, doesn't change the central plot, which is: Shepard died, then somehow his body got into Cerberus hands. Knowing exactly how, and even being able to play it, changes nothing. It has little - if anything - to do with the story of ME2; it's backstory at best.

[aridor1570]

AwesomeName wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

I really hope some of the stuff in there stays... There's a really powerful scene which at first sounded unavoidable (good!) but now I'm hearing it might not be (hmm, not as sure), so I'll be really disappointed if I don't get it on my playthrough >.<

You're reffaring to what I talked about earlier, correct?

Possibly?  I'm trying to be as vague as possible in this thread.  I've expressed the same thing in the spoiler discussion group. >.<

The possibility of XXXXXX both XXXXXX and XXXXX if you defeat XXX.

[Googleness]

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

[Wittand25]

IanPolaris wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

No. important is (unless the whole thing gets changed ) that Shepard goes to the location and that Kai Leng then abducts "stupidplotpoint" .
The VS does not feature in any important way in the scene at all and the scene does not change if you remove the VS since they do nothing important for the plot here. Cutting their involment in that story line has no bigger impact on ME3 than cutting the Hear´Dalis romance had on BG2. (By the way in the first draft of that game Imoen always died at the Spellkeep).

That's mostly true for that particular scene, but *stupid plot point* turning VS against Shepard because of *stupid plot point* seems to be pretty central...at least the corruption of *stupid plot point*...which also invalidates a critical choice you had to make at the end of ME1.

-Polaris

You are refering to a character that is just chliche but not stupid. The possible plot point I was talking about had me going "Really BioWare ???" for nearly ten minutes after I read about it the first time so stupid is it.

[KingDan97]

IanPolaris wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

J.K. Rowling wrote the last paragraph of the 7th book before she even started the second book. Do you honestly expect us to believe she had everything else penned out just because she knew how it would end? This is a stated FIRST DRAFT of ME3, that means it was made after production started, so before the VGAs. if they're still nailing down story details now then how the hell does it make any sense that everything else has been set in stone since before ME2 launched.

Actually she did have large sections of the 7th book written out long before the series ended.  As for "first draft" I'd be careful about reading too much into what the OP said....because I seriously doubt that the "first draft" as defined by the OP is the same "first draft" as a writer would see it.  As for the rest, story *DETAILS* may be being nailed down late, but the basic story has to be finalized fairly early in the production process for what should be obvious reasons.

-Polaris

THAT is story structure, Exposition, Rising Action, Climax, Falling Action, Resolution. EVERYTHING ELSE is "DETAILS", deaths, rescues, conversations, betrayals, EVERYTHING. Here is how I see it.

Exposition: Learn about what your current circumstances are.
Rising Action: Starts with Reaper attack, continues through finding out how to defeat them, ends with climax
Climax: Reapers get reap'd
Falling Action: Sense of normalcy returns, crisis averted
Resolution: Find out where the galaxy is going afterwards

Why on god's green earth you ASSUME that for some reason a video game writer doesn't use the same terminology as a "normal" writer is beyond me, but trust me when I say. You. Are. Wrong.

[Raspberry_]

yeh a LOT of stuff in leaked script got same reaction out of me..."Really BioWare ???"

[IanPolaris]

King Dan,

The story would be written out with a lot more detail than that LONG before now for ME3 (probably finalized around the time ME2 was released) simply to give enough TIME for the rest of the game to be developed correctly.

-Polaris

[KingDan97]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

Not according to what I've heard. Anderson is not councillor regardless of that choice. The Council don't seem to make any difference either. Rachni are there whether you saved them or not. Etc. Etc.

Anderson not being councillor is due to the events of one of the novels, things that happened to him, his choices that made him decide to resign. It was justified whether you choose to read the novels or not.

[The Entire Armed Forces of Canada]

As Awesome as the whole it's old and outdated and won't be in the final game talk sounds

"It
should go without saying however that reading leaked Mass Effect 3
files - however out of date they may be - will likely spoil your
experience in the game. We ask that you join with us in keeping the
BioWare Social Network spoiler-free, so that as many players as possible
can discover the surprises and revelations of Mass Effect 3 in the game
itself.

-Chris Priestly ,"

basically
tells me that there is a lot of this that isn't "first draft". Had it
been truly early early early work, then Chris would not be rushing to
warn players from viewing it. If reading this leaked plot ruins your
game experience, yet isn't supposed to be true, then something does not
add up here. You cannot receive a ruined game information from outdated
plot files unless the plot files aren't as outdated as they are being
claimed to be.

Face facts, BioWare is running around trying to
put the fires out because this isn't as outdated as they're claiming. We
know in the summer months there was talk about a Prothean being in the
game. Someone said that every war has traitors.We know Mordin is working
on the genophage and that the Krogan participation in the war relies on
this. The scene where the Reaper gets taken down by a Thresher Maw was
told to us. These things were all in this "outdated" plot. The major
quests, the major occurrences involving character deaths and moving the
central story (i.e. gaining species loyalty) are most likely as they
were described in the leaked plot.

[IanPolaris]

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

As others have said, apparently not.  Apparently no major decision you made in ME1 or ME2 actually matters.  A couple of the most egregious examples (Councilor Udina and the Rachni Queen) have been mentioned.

-Polaris

[Rosettastoned122]

This is good news, much of which I already suspected, hopefully you aren't bluffing Chris

[IanPolaris]

KingDan97 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

Not according to what I've heard. Anderson is not councillor regardless of that choice. The Council don't seem to make any difference either. Rachni are there whether you saved them or not. Etc. Etc.

Anderson not being councillor is due to the events of one of the novels, things that happened to him, his choices that made him decide to resign. It was justified whether you choose to read the novels or not.

Anderson was never Councillor in the novel.

-Polaris

[onelifecrisis]

KingDan97 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

Not according to what I've heard. Anderson is not councillor regardless of that choice. The Council don't seem to make any difference either. Rachni are there whether you saved them or not. Etc. Etc.

Anderson not being councillor is due to the events of one of the novels, things that happened to him, his choices that made him decide to resign. It was justified whether you choose to read the novels or not.

And what does that have to do with the price of bacon?

[PretaxAle95]

Guys since I'm Italian I do not understand much English and the translator does not help me much ... I noticed that you're angry in front of the choices made by BioWare that you found in the text where there were spoilers of the story ... I explained briefly what is wrong in the choices made by BioWare, which may go against the fans?

[The Entire Armed Forces of Canada]

IanPolaris wrote...

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

As others have said, apparently not.  Apparently no major decision you made in ME1 or ME2 actually matters.  A couple of the most egregious examples (Councilor Udina and the Rachni Queen) have been mentioned.

-Polaris

I think this is what a lot of fans who are angry about the plot are most angry about- the disregard for player's personal decisions in the game. Now I'm hoping that the game plot details leaked were for a certain playthrough and that the plot will be vastly different for different playthroughs, i.e. the plot leaked takes into account the Rachni Queen being saved and not it being killed by renegades.

[Raspberry_]

KingDan97 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Googleness wrote...

So, biggest question. Will the game benefit the players which actually played and imported the same char across the entire 3 games with all the dlcs?
chocices from previous games going to take affect?

Not according to what I've heard. Anderson is not councillor regardless of that choice. The Council don't seem to make any difference either. Rachni are there whether you saved them or not. Etc. Etc.

Anderson not being councillor is due to the events of one of the novels, things that happened to him, his choices that made him decide to resign. It was justified whether you choose to read the novels or not.

and that means your choices are not worth a damn squat for developers.

[IanPolaris]

PretaxAle95 wrote...

Guys since I'm Italian I do not understand much English and the translator does not help me much ... I noticed that you're angry in front of the choices made by BioWare that you found in the text where there were spoilers of the story ... I explained briefly what is wrong in the choices made by BioWare, which may go against the fans?

What's wrong?  If you aren't going to respect (and deal) with the player's choice, then don't give him the choice to start with.  At the very least don't claim that the choices matter when they don't.

-Polaris

[aridor1570]

AwesomeName wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

The possibility of XXXXXX both XXXXXX and XXXXX if you XXXXXX XXX.

I really hope not; frankly, the other possibility I read was far more jaw-dropping and moving.  And I refuse to play poorly just to get scenes like that. >.<  Hmm, maybe I'll enjoy it anyway...  Time will tell.

Playing poorly, you actually want both of them killed?

[RiouHotaru]

IanPolaris wrote...

That's all well and good (and even correct) when discussing logical constructs in philosophy or rhetoric.  That's not how people think, however, and if you want to do damage control, you have to address how people think.  I am sure there probably is company policy, but companies can (and do) change policies or even make exceptions under certain emergency conditions and IMHO this qualifies as a PR emergency.

-Polaris

So you're saying it's okay for folks in this situation to stop trying to think logically and rationally about something.  Also, PR nightmare?  What nightmare?  Bioware's response to this was been surprisingly lax, all things considered.  Two public statements regarding the leak and that's it.  I'd say their response is more telling of their reaction.  They obviously aren't that worried.

So why are we?