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[TEWR]

And what about during the Qunari crisis. What if a Hawke -- like that of the one in the trailer -- was forced to use blood magic to take down the Arishok and his men?

Does he deserve to die there still?

[CrimsonZephyr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And what about during the Qunari crisis. What if a Hawke -- like that of the one in the trailer -- was forced to use blood magic to take down the Arishok and his men?

Does he deserve to die there still?

Yes. Especially since the Arishok is a downright chump against any mage. Blood magic was unnecessary.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:48 .

[DKJaigen]

Stop feeding the damn troll

[CrimsonZephyr]

DKJaigen wrote...

Stop feeding the damn troll

Who says I'm trolling?

[Yuqi]

Liara in elf form?

[Bayz]

As a character? Childish innocent and clumsy, that deserves to die, but hey i think that of all the elves in the DA universe (unless I am playing one, then they are Fëanor XXL)so don't get my opinion get into you.

Can't actually start her romance unless I am roleplaying a pedophile.

As a build, more useful than Fenris the cristal cannon, less useful than Anders\\Mage Hawke, never liked the Keeper class too much anyway...

Modifié par Bayz, 16 décembre 2011 - 11:25 .

[TEWR]

Can't actually start her romance unless I am roleplaying a pedophile.

You do realize she's in her 20s right? Origins' toolset says she's 21 IIRC, which carries over into DAII as being her age as well.

[Bayz]

Yeah I know all of them are adults. But I need them to behave like such in order to feel myself attracted to them.

Can't see any attraction on anything far from strong personalities and I don't see that she has one, she just behaves too childish to me, but hey it's a thing I happen to have so...

[TEWR]

Yeah I know all of them are adults. But I need them to behave like such in order to feel myself attracted to them.

She does. She actually delves into some very philosophical discussions with the party, specifically Anders and whether things are certain anymore like they used to be.

People are allowed to behave like children. It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing so long as they also behave like adults when they reach a certain age, and Merrill happens to do both things.

Can't see any attraction on anything far from strong personalities and I don't see that she has one, she just behaves too childish to me, but hey it's a thing I happen to have so...

While I won't fault you for your opinion, I do disagree with the notion that she is purely a -- and I realize these aren't your words but they are words that have been used to describe her -- "derpy, idiotic, naive, selfish, childish never-changing character".

[Wulfram]

The Origins Toolset says Merrill is 25, but I don't think that's accurate for DA2 Merrill. A Dev comment said she's about the same age as Dalish Warden

If Merrill didn't have a strong personality she probably wouldn't stick to her convictions in the face of everybody in her clan, most of the DA2 companions and Hawke telling her she's being foolish.

[Bayz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


People are allowed to behave like children. It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing so long as they also behave like adults when they reach a certain age, and Merrill happens to do both things.

We agree to disagree here. We come from different fields and life experiences so we are never going to met a middle point on this, and an internet videogame forum is not the place to discuss it.

Let's just say that life experiences made me be more judgamental with people who don't want to see their responsibilities and the big picture before doing anything, so is it good to behave like a child being an adult? Yeah sure, so long as your actions don't have repercussions on other adults that are actually more responsible and can be screwed due to yours...sorry you just touch a nerve here.

You see her points and mindset as mature, I do not, there is no discussion on here, just two different opinions and i am tired of engaging on debates over the same matter with different members of the forum.

I am not going to change my perception of her neither will you, so let there be peace.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
While I won't fault you for your opinion, I do disagree with the notion that she is purely a -- and I realize these aren't your words but they are words that have been used to describe her -- "derpy, idiotic, naive, selfish, childish never-changing character".

She is childish and naive, or that is my perception of her. I also have read that she is an abominatin and plotted to have her clan killed due to a quarter-life crisis going over the top. I don't believe she is, I believe her to be stubborn, and quite uncaring, but so have been the rest of elves I have met so far, people will disagree and I am ok with that, I'm still seeing it as that anyway.

[DKJaigen]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Stop feeding the damn troll

Who says I'm trolling?

I didnt specify anyone. so you must take this personally. and that means you are trolling . kthxbye

[Killjoy Cutter]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The laws the law. Tevinter allows blood magic and it's Hell on Thedas, but it's still allowed by the law.

And if you want me to name a case: cleansing the mirror. As all the Free Marches are Chantry land by right, as I previously stated, she had broken the law by using - and admitting to using - blood magic. Ergo,her punishment, as with all blood mages, must be death.

Death isn't the automatic sentence for blood mages. Leliana says that the Chantry would take in blood mages and Cullen is willing to spare the mages involved in the idiotic questline Best Served Cold, if the Champion intervenes.

What about the Warden? The Warden became a Warden through blood magic. Should he die? Should he die if he takes up blood magic to defeat the Blight in Ferelden and continues to use it in Amaranthine, Amgarrak, and on his trek for Morrigan?

Should Hawke die for being a blood mage?

If he took up blood magic, the Warden should be killed. As should any Hawke. Especially a Warden who became an Arl. Having a leader as a blood mage is asking for a repeat of Tevinter, when combined with the vast power a Warden already possesses.

So whether you realize it or not, what you're really saying is that all Wardens should die, as they all used blood magic at least once (The Joining ritual involves blood magic), and that the world falling to the next Blight is preferable to anyone ever using blood magic.

And whether you realize it or not, you're actually saying that the Templars should all be put to death as well, as the Phylacteries are a form of blood magic, and that having absolutely no one trained and able to deal with the mages who actually do become a threat is preferable to anyone ever using the slightest bit of blood magic.

(Never mind the fact that most Templars are hopelessly addicted to lyrium...)


Or, you can catch on to the fact that not all blood magic is a dire world-threatening evil.

[Bayz]

We don't know how Tevinter is as we haven't been there yet, they have a ton of bloodmages but seem to have less abominations so far, so...you see, the main problem, number one, before tevinter taking over people's dreams and crap, with Blood Magic is that it is used by demons to enter in our realm...

I think the only time demons came to our realm in Tevinter is when they are unleashing them on the Qunari, which on the other hand I don't think the Chantry will dissaprove too much about.

That said Merril is a different case, but just because she is elf, I rather condemn her due only on prejuiced and racist facts than trying to justify "blood magic evil" crap thingy.

On the other hand I'm sure that Merril and other elves could be grounded and used on experimentations to give more power to their human masters, so they aren't that useless after all, I mean, the alternative would be using human lives for that and that is totally no-no...

Right?

NO

Modifié par Bayz, 16 décembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[TEWR]

Ah that's right, I forgot about the phylacteries being blood magic. Gascard DuPuis' method of tracking down Alessa involved putting her blood in a vial. Ergo, it's a phylactery.

It's my belief the Templars augment it by adding lyrium to it. Since phylacteries glow when near the right mage and lyrium glows, I don't think I'm too far off.

Not to mention the fact that the vials that hold Revenants are called phylacteries and they were bound to where they were through blood magic.

[TEWR]

DKJaigen wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Stop feeding the damn troll

Who says I'm trolling?

I didnt specify anyone. so you must take this personally. and that means you are trolling . kthxbye

He wasn't trolling. I wasn't trolling. Nobody else was trolling. The need to call anyone a troll was unwarranted.

By making a post that elicited a response like that, I think that makes you the troll here.

[Bayz]

Wulfram wrote...

If Merrill didn't have a strong personality she probably wouldn't stick to her convictions in the face of everybody in her clan, most of the DA2 companions and Hawke telling her she's being foolish.

Having strong personality =/= being stubborn

[DKJaigen]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

He wasn't trolling. I wasn't trolling. Nobody else was trolling. The need to call anyone a troll was unwarranted.

By making a post that elicited a response like that, I think that makes you the troll here.

I you want to believe that then revel in your naivety. You realise that people holding such an extreme view are rarely the real thing? stop responding to this guy and he will go away.

[LobselVith8]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

As far as Merrill's use of blood magic is concerned, she handled it appropriately - using it to cleanse the shard of the Eluvian of its corruption because she lacked the necessary amounts of lyrium to perform the task otherwise, and she never abused her power in all her years in Kirkwall.

Ask yourself how the consequences of Merrill's actions would have been different if she had waited until she could obtain the necessary lyrium for her experiments, instead of resorting to blood magic. That's the answer to every counterargument you could ever muster. Would she have been ostracized? Would she have played into the hands of a pride demon? No.

Considering that Marethari seemed to have played into the hands of a demon by letting it loose, while the members of the clan can try to commit cold-blooded murder if told the truth and not coddled, I don't see why you are trying to villify Merrill. Your entire argument hinges on the remote possibility of the other clans having a sufficient amount of lyrium, and we don't know if that would have ever been the case.

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

If the mages want to be accepted, the first step is cracking down on blood mages, brutally, efficiently, and totally. It doesn't matter who or what they are, if they use blood magic, they die, immediately. Merrill should have been hanged, quartered and flayed by mages in a square in Hightown to demonstrate their devotion to the law.

I suppose you would include Grey Wardens as well, along with the mages who participate in creating The Joining since it's technically blood magic...

[Agamo45]

My opinion is that we should have had the option to burn her at the stake, or maybe let her clan lynch her. It's ridiculously difficult to get her to fight you at the end. The only way is to keep Anders, and I always kill that little ****.

[Bayz]

But but but but...that would allow the clan to be alive

You are a mean man:pinched:

[jlb524]

Bayz wrote...
Can't see any attraction on anything far from strong personalities and I don't see that she has one, she just behaves too childish to me, but hey it's a thing I happen to have so...

This is funny coming from someone who thinks all elves deserve to die because...?

[Bayz]

Not all of them. Just the Dalish. And because of Zathrian mainly to be honest.

And that is just when I'm playing humans, when I play elves tends to be different And when I play dwarves it tends to swing both ways with a lot of not giving a **** between elves and humans.

When I say "kill the elves" is mainly oc, when I say "I honeslty can't get into the Merril thingy" is ooc mostly.

Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[jlb524]

So....let me get this straight, something happened to you some time ago and you will forever judge people who have any 'childish' tendencies (which is probably more people than you think)?

[Bayz]

jlb524 wrote...

So....let me get this straight, something happened to you some time ago and you will forever judge people who have any 'childish' tendencies (which is probably more people than you think)?

Are you that interested on it?

Is a forum of a videogame the place to actually discuss it?