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[jlb524]

It just seems immature to me XD

[Bayz]

Yeah totally is.

Keep complaining because people are entitled not to like my favourite fictitious character or have a different opinion on things on the other hand is completely mature though.

[TEWR]

I don't think jlb has an issue with you having a differing opinion. I think what jlb has an issue with is what you're basing your differing opinion off of.

I could be wrong though.

[Bayz]

So what's wrong with me is that I had different life experience than hers and that made me immature then?

I mean I respected your opinion, you respected mine and that was it, jlb on the other hand is still having a problem which is why I interpret it as "Leave Britney alone" kind of attitude...

I say that I think Merril is Immature, you said I think not and i said is ok I can live with it.

Then jlb came in and said no...immature...uh...you more!

See from where I am coming?

Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 02:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

To OP:
I like Merrill, she's not my favorite character, but for some reason I usually end up the game with her (even when I intend to start/finish with one of the others).

Yes, she can be so cute she makes your teeth ache after several playthroughs, but I think I prefer that to Whiney McEmoPants (take your pick we have 2 of them) and she gets along with everyone in the group (aside from the two aforementioned gents who hate her for different reasons).

I like friendmance Fenris okay, but I still prefer Merrill's rivalmance to either of the two males, and I still think heterosexual females got the short end of the stick in DA2.

[Bayz]

You've got Sebastian.

Ok I can't say that with a straight face, is kinda like saying in BG2 "you got Anomen"as if it made things better

Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 03:57 .

[SinnSly]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Chantry's laws are not the laws of the Dalish.

And the Wardens use blood magic in both the Joining and the more common form to fight the Darkspawn. Are they unethical? Are they on a slippery slope?

She is living in a city which follows Chantry law, ergo she is obligated to follow them,

The laws banning blood magic are one of the few ethical laws the Chantry has regarding magc. The rest? Not so much.

If I was a blood amge and lived in Kirkwall I'd say the Chantry can stuff it, Templars and The Chantry obviously fear magic and blood magic is just still magic, condone people how thye use magic not just because it's a certain type of magic

[sylvanaerie]

Bayz wrote...

You've got Sebastian.

Ok I can't say that with a straight face, is kinda like saying in BG2 "you got Anomen"as if it made things better

ROFLMAO...well, in Legacy if you friendmance Sebastian, Bethany has a line mentioning it.  That's about the extent of it.  And he gives you a sort of hug when he proposes...

But at least you get a proposal.

Chaste marriage my ass...My LadyHawke is gonna go all "Isabella" on his ass and rock his world before he knows what hit him.  Boy is gonna look like this the morning after...

[SinnSly]

[*]
I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if a Templar was raping you -- if you were a mage -- and you were forced to do 1 of 3 things:

1) Deal with it on a day-to-day basis because you can't report the Templar to anyone because you'll be made Tranquil for "lying"
2) Kill yourself
3) use blood magic.
[/quote]
[*]I choose Blood Magic, although I love blood magic anyway and would use it =3

[Bayz]

sylvanaerie wrote...

ROFLMAO...well, in Legacy if you friendmance Sebastian, Bethany has a line mentioning it.  That's about the extent of it.  And he gives you a sort of hug when he proposes...

But at least you get a proposal.

Chaste marriage my ass...My LadyHawke is gonna go all "Isabella" on his ass and rock his world before he knows what hit him.  Boy is gonna look like this the morning after...

- But but, I don't want to...

- That makes it better, now take my boots off with your teeth, dog!

You can play it kinda like Kitiara and Tanis in Dragonlance, that was hilarious...and somewhat scary

[SinnSly]

She is childish and naive, or that is my perception of her. I also have read that she is an abominatin and plotted to have her clan killed due to a quarter-life crisis going over the top. I don't believe she is, I believe her to be stubborn, and quite uncaring, but so have been the rest of elves I have met so far, people will disagree and I am ok with that, I'm still seeing it as that anyway.

She is naive, inncont and cute, that is her but I am extremely open minded etc and I adore her, she is and always will be my fav companion and lover in DA, but yes she is stubborn but heck I am just as stubborn as her =P

I believe her to be caring, she wanted to bring back a piece of her past, the Dalish elves have lost enough as it is and there is nothing wrong with bringing a bit of that past back to life

Modifié par SinnSly, 17 décembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[SinnSly]

DKJaigen wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Stop feeding the damn troll

Who says I'm trolling?

I didnt specify anyone. so you must take this personally. and that means you are trolling . kthxbye

Dude you made me laugh, your wicked x3

[SinnSly]

Agamo45 wrote...

My opinion is that we should have had the option to burn her at the stake, or maybe let her clan lynch her. It's ridiculously difficult to get her to fight you at the end. The only way is to keep Anders, and I always kill that little ****.

Not if she is your lover, my Marian Hawke [I am always a blood mage] and Merrill are lovers, I always choose Merrill over everyone else to be a lover I adore her

[sylvanaerie]

While I like Merrill, I'm not all "YAY blood magic". I put up with it because its part of her, once taken up, she can't just shrug it off, but you get to change her viewpoint by Act 3 if rivaled.

Personally, I feel the utter and total control of another human being is an evil act, that it taints the spirit irrevocably and I don't believe when some proponents of it say "I won't use it that way, or kill others." because frankly, that's bullsh*t, completely ignoring basic human nature. Human beings love to 'tinker'. Look how we mod games we have, plan out game endings so we get to see what we want. In the end, this is what Blood Mages do, albeit on a much less lethal scale. When push comes to shove, mages will turn to it, will kill with it and will seize whatever power they want with it. And it's human nature to want this power, it's too tempting NOT to use. (Yes, I am incredibly cynical about humanity's innate 'goodness'). Look at Tevinter if you don't believe me. They are perhaps the most 'human' society in Thedas and at least they make no excuses for their excesses.

We see plenty of examples of those kinds of mages in the game. Other people's lives mean so little to them that they don't care as long as they get what they want *cough*Quentin*cough*.

Sorry, but I think the whole "Demons are just spirits like any other" is a load of crap. And I can easily see Merrill sliding down that dark road as days turn into weeks turn into months/years and she has to be forever on the run from Templars, esp if she continues using it. I like to think rivaled, she gives it up.

I shudder to think of how many died to send Corypheus and his buddies into the Fade for their little field trip.

[jlb524]

Bayz wrote...

Yeah totally is.

Keep complaining because people are entitled not to like my favourite fictitious character or have a different opinion on things on the other hand is completely mature though.

I don't claim to be a completely mature adult and look down upon those that don't 'fit' that definition.

I don't believe that any adult is completely mature.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I don't think jlb has an issue with you having a differing opinion. I think what jlb has an issue with is what you're basing your differing opinion off of.

I could be wrong though.

Basically, I take issues with hypocrisy.

Bayz wrote...

So what's wrong with me is that I had different life experience than hers and that made me immature then?

I mean I respected your opinion, you respected mine and that was it, jlb on the other hand is still having a problem which is why I interpret it as "Leave Britney alone" kind of attitude...

I say that I think Merril is Immature, you said I think not and i said is ok I can live with it.

Then jlb came in and said no...immature...uh...you more!

See from where I am coming?

You say, 'X is immature and stubborn so deserves hate'.

Then you say a bunch of stuff that shows you as immature and stubborn.

See what I mean?

Modifié par jlb524, 17 décembre 2011 - 05:03 .

[Wulfram]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Personally, I feel the utter and total control of another human being is an evil act, that it taints the spirit irrevocably

But you don't feel the same about blowing them up?

[sylvanaerie]

Wulfram wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Personally, I feel the utter and total control of another human being is an evil act, that it taints the spirit irrevocably

But you don't feel the same about blowing them up?

You referring to Anders' trick with the chantry or blowing them up as a mage?  The one I see as an act of cowardice, evil striking from a safe distance, giving them no chance to defend themselves, the other I see as self defense.

Frankly, a man points a gun at me, I'm gonna shoot back if I have a gun, or use a knife or whatever it takes to put them down (Hopefully not killing them but if I have no choice).  Not saying they don't have a right to defend themselves, but it's not vital they turn to that level of magic. 

It's like swatting a mosquito with a chainsaw...you'll kill it, yea but did you really need to use a chainsaw to do so?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 17 décembre 2011 - 05:24 .

[Bayz]

jlb524 wrote...

You say, 'X is immature and stubborn so deserves hate'.

Then you say a bunch of stuff that shows you as immature and stubborn.

See what I mean?

I entered in a thread asking Opinions on Merril and I said oc that she was but that all elves were to me. Then I was asked to clarify and I said ooc why I perceived her as that, aknowledging that not everybody has to perceive her my way and linking it with diffferent life experiences. Mind you, not different levels of maturity but life experiences.

You do believe that it is immature behaviour? Ok, what do you expect me to do now? Repent on my sins?

It is your opinion which I am pretty sure is pretty important...important to you:mellow:

Why the urge to enter the thread and call me immature and hypocrite for my opinions is something that scapes from my mind, but I respect as you are entitled to your opinion as well, not that I actually feel they are valid in any sense as you don't need to feel mine are anyway.

And I believe we have derailed the thread enough, but obviously you are going to pick right on it and answed with more (perceived by me) rabble that I will read (most likely not actually).

[jlb524]

Bayz wrote...
I entered in a thread asking Opinions on Merril and I said oc that she was but that all elves were to me. Then I was asked to clarify and I said ooc why I perceived her as that, aknowledging that not everybody has to perceive her my way and linking it with diffferent life experiences. Mind you, not different levels of maturity but life experiences.

You do believe that it is immature behaviour? Ok, what do you expect me to do now? Repent on my sins?

It is your opinion which I am pretty sure is pretty important...important to you:mellow:

It is though..it's not the ideal behavior for a mature adult.

Do you tend to post 'oc' a lot?

Perhaps you should put a warning in your sig.

[Bayz]

jlb524 wrote...

It is though..it's not the ideal behavior for a mature adult.

Do you tend to post 'oc' a lot?

Perhaps you should put a warning in your sig.

That is again your opinion, which is as certain as it is yours...and not necessarily anybody else's.

Is is really that hard to grasp? I will give you a hint, When me (or any other poster who rp's) goes on preaching the genocide of imaginary creatures\\humans of Thedas, preaching the spread of the Qun in Qunari ways etc that is ooc. In fact every time you see any poster writting something in over the top way, take it as oc, then you'll never go wrong.

After all see at the enviroment, this is a Forum community for DA3, so if you see a guy proposing the genocide of an entire species, you can assume it is not what he believes in rl. Goodness I should not be saying this to anybody, but I will assume that I might be wrong and you are not trolling. Which is actually hard as hell to me.

As so far in a year and so the only person that has retorted to take it personal and start attacking me has been only you, I don't think that a warning in my signature is needed.

[jlb524]

Bayz wrote...
That is again your opinion, which is as certain as it is yours...and not necessarily anybody else's.

Judging people as a group and not as an individual isn't ideal adult behavior in our society.

Bayz wrote... 
Is is really that hard to grasp? I will give you a hint, When me (or any other poster who rp's) goes on preaching the genocide of imaginary creatureshumans of Thedas, preaching the spread of the Qun in Qunari ways etc that is ooc. In fact every time you see any poster writting something in over the top way, take it as oc, then you'll never go wrong.

After all see at the enviroment, this is a Forum community for DA3, so if you see a guy proposing the genocide of an entire species, you can assume it is not what he believes in rl. Goodness I should not be saying this to anybody, but I will assume that I might be wrong and you are not trolling. Which is actually hard as hell to me.

As so far in a year and so the only person that has retorted to take it personal and start attacking me has been only you, I don't think that a warning in my signature is needed.

It's not hard to grasp.  I also know that the anonymity of the internet allows people to express these kinds of views freely..of course you won't say something like this to someone 'in real life'.

When I discuss DA3, I am expressing my own opinions unless I specify that I'm talking about my character's opinion and I specify which one to give the reader context. That's how most people do it.

Also, you say you have many different characters...how am I supposed to know which one you are 'oc' for?  Also, why do you tend to default to the 'elf hating' human?

[Bayz]

Sigh...wonder why I even do this to myself...

jlb524 wrote...

Judging people as a group and not as an individual isn't ideal adult behavior in our society.

Don't know about your society, but judging adult behaviours of individuals based on past experiences and decide if they fit with your way of doing things or you fit theirs does fit in mine.

After all what makes people different are the experiences they come from, if they judge a group of people based on not experiences but what people\\media says. Do I accept people who had childish behaviours? Yeah sure, they are ok, will I accept if I am forced to work with them, live with them etc? You can be sure I will not, I will do everything on my hand to avoid said groups in order to avoid what a vast ammount of times in past bad experiences will not happen again.

Do you really consider immature to decide not to work with manchildren if you can avoid it when you have had a hundred of projects being aborted due to said manchildren or others like them had screwed them?

If your society does consider that other thing than compliance is immature, then nothing to say. But don't try to make that my society, where I live the only important thing is getting a result on time, other considerations are just stuff the people I work for and other companies like them don't give a crap about it. They do try to make similar personalities fit though, because they know that there is a better workflow with said groups.

Do I exclude myself from groups of people that, on my view, don't take their life seriously enough? I do yes. does it mean that I want to destroy them all? Nope, every type of person is needed in order to feel myself in freedom. If we were all drones doing exaclty the same, then freedom would perish.

jlb524 wrote...
It's not hard to grasp.  I also know that the anonymity of the internet allows people to express these kinds of views freely..of course you won't say something like this to someone 'in real life'.

Let me inform you. This is not 4chan. People around the forums rarely care enough to be opinionated and the ones that actually are tend to express their points in a way that they respect that other points out there are valid for different people.

Rarely one gets personal and rarely they tend to be too extreme for real, as I said, in a year and so going through the forums, people with strong controversial opinions has been either trolls or just exagerating.

Now now, how to tell trolls from people acting oc?

People acting oc say that "elves should die because they are a bunch bloodmages" for example, trolls are more about "Elves should die because they are jews". I exagerated it so you might see the line clearly, but it is roughly how it goes. Again I am making an example of what a troll would say, not what I actually believe on the sons of Israel.

jlb524 wrote...
When I discuss DA3, I am expressing my own opinions unless I specify that I'm talking about my character's opinion and I specify which one to give the reader context. That's how most people do it.

Some posters, and some don't. Point I made is that no other poster other than you since 2010 had actually even thought that I am expressing strong opinions seriously. Because y'know, when you claim the extinction of an imaginary race, people are either schizophrenic or just taking a ****** on someone.

jlb524 wrote...
Also, you say you have many different characters...how am I supposed to know which one you are 'oc' for?  Also, why do you tend to default to the 'elf hating' human?

Most of my characters take the "elf hating" human due an strong Warhammer 40k player background. All my humans tend to be anti elf, also anti qunari and anti dwarf in some places. In fact is not so "anti stuff" as "humans first" kind of characters. Why the despising of elves?

Zathrian as I said before. For the point of view of a character for which a human life is worth 1000 elven lives, stuff like what happened to Zathrian and the hunters is enervating to say the least.

Now now, why do not take the "elves first approach" because DA2 decided to take the race choices out of our hands. My former custom warden was a humans first character, my Hawke's are all going to be human first characters, mainly because they are still humans. And humans in this setting are "human first types" most of them.

What would make my Hawke, who doesn't know Zathrian be biased against elves? First Fenris insulting his sister in a less than elegant way at every single minute. Other anti mage characters like Sebastian tend to be more elegant or reserved as they see they might offend Hawke, but not for Fenris. (bear in mind Fenris is a character I respect a lot due to his experiences on Sheheron)

He gets into the Dalish camp and sees them as no different, then sees Merril who actually is a bloodmage (which I remind you, for a normal human in Thedas means demon summoner that controls people's minds and evil) and she insists that blood magic is normal and good amongst the elves.

If the setting were Arda, you can bet that my human characters will make temples to every single elf that they had before. But it is not.

Now this is how I decide to roleplay my character...do you see me calling down on other posters for them roleplaying their characters as elven lovers? Nope, to each their own. I am also a mage supporter, and I don't go to the Templar supporters and call them fascists as many others...simply because to each their own, and let there be peace.

Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[jlb524]

Bayz wrote...
Do you really consider immature to decide not to work with manchildren if you can avoid it when you have had a hundred of projects being aborted due to said manchildren or others like them had screwed them?

If your society does consider that other thing than compliance is immature, then nothing to say. But don't try to make that my society, where I live the only important thing is getting a result on time, other considerations are just stuff the people I work for and other companies like them don't give a crap about it. They do try to make similar personalities fit though, because they know that there is a better workflow with said groups.

But it seems to me that you wish to lump people into a group and judge them based on that (ignoring their own life experiences)...that is what I take issue with.

Bayz wrote... 
Do I exclude myself from groups of people that, on my view, don't take their life seriously enough? I do yes. does it mean that I want to destroy them all? Nope, every type of person is needed in order to feel myself in freedom. If we were all drones doing exaclty the same, then freedom would perish.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Bayz wrote...  
Let me inform you. This is not 4chan. People around the forums rarely care enough to be opinionated and the ones that actually are tend to express their points in a way that they respect that other points out there are valid for different people.

Rarely one gets personal and rarely they tend to be too extreme for real, as I said, in a year and so going through the forums, people with strong controversial opinions has been either trolls or just exagerating.

Now now, how to tell trolls from people acting oc?

People acting oc say that "elves should die because they are a bunch bloodmages" for example, trolls are more about "Elves should die because they are jews". I exagerated it so you might see the line clearly, but it is roughly how it goes. Again I am making an example of what a troll would say, not what I actually believe on the sons of Israel.

Why would anyone say that since it has nothing to do with the game?

I tend to think the way people talk about the characters reflect their real-world morality...that's been my experience at least.  I've also experienced this type of 'trolling' that you are referring to on this site...how was I to know your intent?

If you think it's okay for your character to kill a group of people based on the actions of one I think that tends to reflecton your real world morality.  That's different from thinking it's not okay for your character to do this (from a meta-perspective) but having them do it anyway because it fits the way you wish to roleplay them.   So, I guess I want to ask if you think what your character does is 'okay' morally?

For example, I sometimes have my characters do things that I know are morally wrong but I choose to do it because it fits their character.  When I discuss the decision on-line, I can give justification for my character making the decision based on how they are roleplayed by me...but I (the player) won't argrue that the decision is morally correct, because I don't believe that it is.

Bayz wrote...    
Now now, why do not take the "elves first approach" because DA2 decided to take the race choices out of our hands. My former custom warden was a humans first character, my Hawke's are all going to be human first characters, mainly because they are still humans. And humans in this setting are "human first types" most of them.

What would make my Hawke, who doesn't know Zathrian be biased against elves? First Fenris insulting his sister in a less than elegant way at every single minute. Other anti mage characters like Sebastian tend to be more elegant or reserved as they see they might offend Hawke, but not for Fenris. (bear in mind Fenris is a character I respect a lot due to his experiences on Sheheron)

He gets into the Dalish camp and sees them as no different, then sees Merril who actually is a bloodmage (which I remind you, for a normal human in Thedas means demon summoner that controls people's minds and evil) and she insists that blood magic is normal and good amongst the elves.

If the setting were Arda, you can bet that my human characters will make temples to every single elf that they had before. But it is not.

Now this is how I decide to roleplay my character...do you see me calling down on other posters for them roleplaying their characters as elven lovers? Nope, to each their own. I am also a mage supporter, and I don't go to the Templar supporters and call them fascists as many others...simply because to each their own, and let there be peace.

That is fine...you can roleplay as you wish.

I assume people posting in this thread were giving 'their' opinion on Merrill and not discussing how their Hawke as roleplayed interacts with her.  That is what the OP asked.

Modifié par jlb524, 17 décembre 2011 - 08:04 .

[Bayz]

[quote]jlb524 wrote...

But it seems to me that you wish to lump people into a group and judge them based on that (ignoring their own life experiences)...that is what I take issue with.[/quote]

So you decided to retort to personal attacks on what it seemed to you. They can have the life experiences they must, as I said, it is about the final result of the work, the final product we deliver what is going to be judged, not if we broke up with our girlfriends or we have daddy issues. And after a long long time I started to see the world that way as well.

Make of that what you must.

[quote]jlb524 wrote...

Why would anyone say that since it has nothing to do with the game?[/quote]

Are you new to the whole internet thing? Because they are basement dwellers and feel so manly and so up when they offend people in the internet, that's why.

[quote]jlb524 wrote...
I tend to think the way people talk about the characters reflect their real-world morality...that's been my experience at least.  I've also experienced this type of 'trolling' that you are referring to on this site...how was I to know your intent?[/quote]

Then you tend to think wrong. To me the whole experience to play a role playing game is first as to play any game to experiment stuff I will not experiment in RL and second to "be somebody else".


[quote]jlb524 wrote...
If you think it's okay for your character to kill a group of people based on the actions of one I think that tends to reflecton your real world morality.  That's different from thinking it's not okay for your character to do this (from a meta-perspective) but having them do it anyway because it fits the way you wish to roleplay them.   So, I guess I want to ask if you think what your character does is 'okay' morally?[/quote]

Hell no, not of any single of them in the long time I've been playing games. They are purposedly flawed, most of them tend towards being way more conservative than I am in my views, others would support authoritarian states whole heartedly etc...

My main warden only seduced Alistair and fought for what he believed (blight and so) because she had a possibility to sit his ass in the throne and she could manipulate him, sided with Branka and helped the chantry guy in Orzammar because she thought it would be handy in order to first decimate dwarven population in the war and second on plans to decimate the dwarven lands and have them like city elves in the long run...

The list goes on, do I agree with her? No ****ing way, she will probably even order my death for being too vocal on her policies were she to be real.

Hawke was slightly more allowing, but in all terribly broken in most of other things. He was ok with you so long as you were not an Elf, Qunari, Dwarf, Orlesian...(the list goes on and on and on)

I never roleplayed heroes, the closer thing to them are Knights in Sour Armor that end up corrupting themselves after despairing and believing that people can't do well for themselves and need to be grounded and controlled.

I believe that people that fend off badly, can end up getting up by themselves and end up learning from their experiences, not that they should be kept in internation camps because they "know no better", my characters tend to differ...extremely.

[quote]jlb524 wrote...
For example, I sometimes have my characters do things that I know are morally wrong but I choose to do it because it fits their character.  When I discuss the decision on-line, I can give justification for my character making the decision based on how they are roleplayed by me...but I (the player) won't argrue that the decision is morally correct, because I don't believe that it is.[/quote]

You won't see me codoning elven genocide ooc. most of the times you ask me if i feel like doing some RP I will answer stupidly as I think any Thedan would, translating real world medieval prejuices to them, stuff like "They are all product of incest between brothers and sisters", "they eat human children", "the are into demon worshipping and sacrifice their first born" or simply "they used to be slaves so they don't have a real concept of freedom, so no matter what we do to them". Is this what I believe? do you honestly believe that in the XXI century somebody will take that crap? Honestly?

That is fine...you can roleplay as you wish.

I assume people posting in this thread were giving 'their' opinion on Merrill and not discussing how their Hawke as roleplayed interacts with her.  That is what the OP asked.
[/quote]

Did you read my post?

[quote]Bayz wrote...

As a character? Childish innocent and
clumsy, that deserves to die, but hey i think that of all the elves in
the DA universe (unless I am playing one, then they are Fëanor XXL)so
don't get my opinion get into you.

Can't actually start her romance unless I am roleplaying a pedophile.

As
a build, more useful than Fenris the cristal cannon, less useful than
AndersMage Hawke, never liked the Keeper class too much
anyway...[/quote]

Now let's play the game to see what you have learned. It's called separating oc from ooc. Let's see if you can, I've given some visual aid so the Spanish Inquisition could spot it more easily.

Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 08:47 .

[jlb524]

Oh yes, I read your post "That I think deserves to die."

When discussing works of literature, using phrases like 'I think' tells me this is 'your' opinion on it (or an event or a character within it). Not your character's opinion or other characters in the work of literature.

For example, "I think destroying the Anvil of the Void is the right thing to do because forcing people to 'die' so they will become a golem is wrong." This is my opinion on something that happened in DA:O.

This is different from, "My mage Warden thinks destroying the Anvil of the void is a wasted opportunity as stopping the Blight must come first."

Or, "Alistair thinks that the Anvil must be destroyed because it's power could be abused."

Thus, one would assume that you were analyzing the character from 'your' perspective. I retorted because I found it humorous that 'you' would give that particular analysis of a character (and the elves in general) and then call her 'immature' in another post.

Now you are saying that it's not 'your' opinion...so what is 'your' opinion on Merrill?

Also, I'm curious what 'your' opinion is on Zathrian and the elves in general?

Modifié par jlb524, 17 décembre 2011 - 09:38 .