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[andraip]

Bayz wrote...
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Most bloodmages on Kirkwall are lunatics though, I guess is more due to the veil running thin there than elsewhere, not a general blood mage thing.

Well, 99% of the citizens of Kirkwall shown in DA2 are lunatics...

[TEWR]

I'm now imagining a picture of a bunch of lunatic blood mages saying "We are the 99%"

Malcom is a good example but Jowan, despite not being a lunatic, does screw up big every time he tries to help or do stuff...I used to assume that was due to bloodmagic making some kind of influence in his luck or something but I know that it is not now.

If Jowan is spared and told to leave Redcliffe, he ends up protecting a bunch of refugees from the Darkspawn.

Quite successfully I might add.

[sylvanaerie]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm now imagining a picture of a bunch of lunatic blood mages saying "We are the 99%"

Malcom is a good example but Jowan, despite not being a lunatic, does screw up big every time he tries to help or do stuff...I used to assume that was due to bloodmagic making some kind of influence in his luck or something but I know that it is not now.

If Jowan is spared and told to leave Redcliffe, he ends up protecting a bunch of refugees from the Darkspawn.

Quite successfully I might add.

yea except very few people see this quest as it's bugged.  And sooner or later he had to eventually get SOMEthing right.  I tell him he has to fix his mess and make him help in Redcliffe.  That he wants to atone for all the damage he's caused I think is a great deal of character development and I have to respect that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

andraip wrote...

Bayz wrote...
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Most bloodmages on Kirkwall are lunatics though, I guess is more due to the veil running thin there than elsewhere, not a general blood mage thing.

Well, 99% of the citizens of Kirkwall shown in DA2 are lunatics...

Not to mention that the DA2 dev crew evidently wouldn't know subtle or nuance from anything...

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Not to detract from your point, but they don't really die. Shale and Caridin are proof that the Dwarves don't really die upon becoming a Golem, and Caridin's journal still acknowledges them as who they were.

Also, anyone else wondering if the Anvil of the Void could be considered a type of blood magic?

Their physical body dies but their 'soul' or essence lives on.  I guess that's what I meant XD

RE: the Anvil.

I don't know what form of magic it uses...I guess any would work (blood, lyrium).

I think the physical 'death' of the person is only required to free their soul so it an be magically placed into the golem but not necessarily to fuel the spell.  It would be easiest to use blood magic to fuel this as you are killing the 'physical' form anyway...it would be kind of dumb to use lyrium (unless killing a person isn't enough to fuel it and a bit of lyrium is required).

Editado por jlb524, 19 diciembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[sylvanaerie]

I think the lunatic thing has more to do with the Veil and maybe even subtle influence from Corypheus, in stasis nearby. But yea, you can't sling a cat in Kirkwall without hitting a nutcase.

[TEWR]

Actually, Corypheus has nothing to do with Kirkwall. He can only affect things that bear the taint.

[sylvanaerie]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Actually, Corypheus has nothing to do with Kirkwall. He can only affect things that bear the taint.

hesh you, don't intrude on my delusions with your pesky logic  he is after all, a blood mage...yea I know, stretching it

Editado por sylvanaerie, 19 diciembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[TEWR]

jlb524 wrote...

RE: the Anvil.

I don't know what form of magic it uses...I guess any would work (blood, lyrium).

I think the physical 'death' of the person is only required to free their soul so it an be magically placed into the golem but not necessarily to fuel the spell.  It would be easiest to use blood magic to fuel this as you are killing the 'physical' form anyway...it would be kind of dumb to use lyrium (unless killing a person isn't enough to fuel it and a bit of lyrium is required).

Caridin's journal says that he pours molten lyrium through the crevices of the Golem armor that the person is encased in, so I assume the lyrium traps the soul. But blood magic is also able to do this, as it's what Quentin did to Leandra.

So I guess it can be loosely considered a type of blood magic.

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Caridin's journal says that he pours molten lyrium through the crevices of the Golem armor that the person is encased in, so I assume the lyrium traps the soul. But blood magic is also able to do this, as it's what Quentin did to Leandra.

So I guess it can be loosely considered a type of blood magic.

I just think because the person is dying (physical form) that there is blood magic present no matter what.

...but I think I'm wrong because killing someone alone isn't enough to harness the magic from their body...you would need a blood mage to focus it.   For example, a non-blood mage couldn't kill Isolde and use her death to send the Warden/Morrigan/Wynne into the Fade in order to save Conner.  Jowan had to focus harness and focus the energy from her death.

In that case, the Anvil wouldn't use blood magic at all.

[TEWR]

jlb524 wrote...

I just think because the person is dying (physical form) that there is blood magic present no matter what.

...but I think I'm wrong because killing someone alone isn't enough to harness the magic from their body...you would need a blood mage to focus it.   For example, a non-blood mage couldn't kill Isolde and use her death to send the Warden/Morrigan/Wynne into the Fade in order to save Conner.  Jowan had to focus harness and focus the energy from her death.

In that case, the Anvil wouldn't use blood magic at all.

Well blood magic isn't just about using blood for power. It's also about gaining abilities from blood, like the Joining, Reaver ritual, phylacteries, etc.

But I can't say definitively what type of magic the Anvil is. Non-blood magic or blood magic I don't know, as we don't really know that much about blood magic besides the usual "It's pure evil!" arguments. Though it does seem like it might be blood magic.

Random side bit: I'm almost positive that the Anvil of the Void was a natural formation and not something man-made, as the Primeval Thaig was home to Golems. Which wouldn't have been possible without another Anvil.

Alternatively, perhaps the Primeval Thaig's Dwarves made various Anvils throughout Thedas and they were forgotten about, and the Ancestors showed Caridin an image of the Anvil closest to Orzammar. There is a Primeval Thaig near Orzammar, so this might be possible.

Editado por The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 diciembre 2011 - 03:30 .

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well blood magic isn't just about using blood for power. It's also about gaining abilities from blood, like the Joining, Reaver ritual, phylacteries, etc.

In those cases, the blood still has to be prepared in a special way by a mage, if I'm not mistaken.

[TEWR]

jlb524 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Well blood magic isn't just about using blood for power. It's also about gaining abilities from blood, like the Joining, Reaver ritual, phylacteries, etc.

In those cases, the blood still has to be prepared in a special way by a mage, if I'm not mistaken.

Phylacteries don't. It's just take the blood into a vial. And I assume the Templars add lyrium to the vial. Since phylacteries glow when near a mage and lyrium glows, I don't think I'm too far off.

As for the Joining, I don't think a mage has to prepare it, as Seneschal Varel always says "I'll make the preparations" when a new recruit is recruited. Now they either have a stockpile already made or he is making it.

But then again, Riordan also seems to have made it on his own.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Actually, Corypheus has nothing to do with Kirkwall. He can only affect things that bear the taint.

There's always the other thing imprisoned there, the "hidden" boss in Legacy.  And mournful Sundermount.  And the Tvinter experiments that Kirkwall is hinted to have been built around.  And the primeval taig somewhere deep below the area.  And... 

[Malanu]

I haven't used Merril cause I have loyalty to Anders and of course Hawke's sister. But as a character I love the querky little nerd girl. She is the little sister type definitely.

[Sirenella]

I like Her. I think she plays dumb to discourage even more people from being uncomfortable around her magey bloodness. The little Dalish world isn't enough for her. She isn't a sheep to herd or a content shepherd. She is more intelligent and more powerful than we, (for now) are allowed to know.

[LobselVith8]

andraip wrote...

Well, 99% of the citizens of Kirkwall shown in DA2 are lunatics...

Not to mention that stupidity isn't limited to the mage antagonists: just ask Cullen.

That said, I don't see anything wrong with Merrill being proactive about revolutionary technology that may be able to benefit elves across Thedas, or using blood magic responsibly when Grey Wardens wouldn't exist without blood magic.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Sirenella wrote...

I like Her. I think she plays dumb to discourage even more people from being uncomfortable around her magey bloodness. The little Dalish world isn't enough for her. She isn't a sheep to herd or a content shepherd. She is more intelligent and more powerful than we, (for now) are allowed to know.

Obedience is law.