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[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

rhyddhau wrote...

Personally, I'm glad they retconned this with the shell concept. Hopefully there will be no alien-Terminators in ME3.

Why do you assume it's a retcon?  The HR was tiny compared to all other Reapers we've seen, including in the final shot of ME2, and they all...pretty much looked like Sovereign. It was also clearly stated to be incomplete.  Not to mention the concept art for the HR demonstrates it wasn't exactly a new idea for it to end up looking like a cuttlefish.

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

I don't think the concept art supports any notion of what it was originally meant to look like.  All it supports is that they had a variety of ideas for it.

[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

I don't think the concept art supports any notion of what it was originally meant to look like.  All it supports is that they had a variety of ideas for it.

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

[Arkitekt]

didymos, that's not how "BSN criticism" works. In BSNC rules, any given development of an idea explored in a previous game is to be called a "retcon". Learn and obey the rules, or ELSE.

[onelifecrisis]

I was thinking Matryoshka Cuttlefish, but Cuttleception works.

[Annihilator27]

Arcian wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

I don't think the concept art supports any notion of what it was originally meant to look like.  All it supports is that they had a variety of ideas for it.

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

I'm doing it so nobody else has to:

C U T T L E C E P T I O N

*OMG Rage Face*

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

Um, no, and not sure why you would think I might. 

ETA:  Oh, wait... have you seen any of the concept art other than the cuttlefish-looking sketch?  'Cause there's more, and none of it is labeled "THIS IS OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT YOU GUYS".

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 novembre 2011 - 11:49 .

[DiebytheSword]

Arcian wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

I don't think the concept art supports any notion of what it was originally meant to look like.  All it supports is that they had a variety of ideas for it.

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

I'm doing it so nobody else has to:

C U T T L E C E P T I O N

We need to go deeper.

[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

Um, no, and not sure why you would think I might. 

ETA:  Oh, wait... have you seen any of the concept art other than the cuttlefish-looking sketch?  'Cause there's more, and none of it is labeled "THIS IS OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT YOU GUYS".

I've seen lots of very different concepts.

So you think that the human reaper larva grows into a cuttlefish shape, rather than growing into a human shape which is then put inside a cuttlefish shell?

If not, it'd save me time guessing if you'd clarify what you do think instead of just saying "no" to the guesses.

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

Um, no, and not sure why you would think I might. 

ETA:  Oh, wait... have you seen any of the concept art other than the cuttlefish-looking sketch?  'Cause there's more, and none of it is labeled "THIS IS OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT YOU GUYS".

I've seen lots of very different concepts.

So you think that the human reaper larva grows into a cuttlefish shape, rather than growing into a human shape which is then put inside a cuttlefish shell?

If not, it'd save me time guessing if you'd clarify what you do think instead of just saying "no" to the guesses.

Why does it matter?  We're talking about whether there's any evidence for one concept being "the original", not how I think Reaper "development" works (for the record, I think the entire notion of them "growing" is stupid.  They're obviously constructed).  Well, there isn't any evidence.  Not that's available to us non-Bioware employees, anyway.

[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

Um, no, and not sure why you would think I might. 

ETA:  Oh, wait... have you seen any of the concept art other than the cuttlefish-looking sketch?  'Cause there's more, and none of it is labeled "THIS IS OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT YOU GUYS".

I've seen lots of very different concepts.

So you think that the human reaper larva grows into a cuttlefish shape, rather than growing into a human shape which is then put inside a cuttlefish shell?

If not, it'd save me time guessing if you'd clarify what you do think instead of just saying "no" to the guesses.

Why does it matter?  We're talking about whether there's any evidence for one concept being "the original", not how I think Reaper "development" works (for the record, I think the entire notion of them "growing" is stupid.  They're obviously constructed).  Well, there isn't any evidence.  Not that's available to us non-Bioware employees, anyway.

I didn't say one concept drawing was the "original" concept drawing. I said (to paraphrase myself) that the concept art supports the idea that the artists were asked to come up with a human-reaper, not a human-in-a-reaper.

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 15 novembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Last Vizard]

koopaonfire wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Then explain the Human Reaper?

I can explain it:

Shepard and EDI were misinformed. Nobody had ever seen a human-shaped Reaper core before. Lacking prior knowledge, they instantly assumed it was some kind of prototype Reaper rather than just a part of it. It's not a retcon, not really -- just an elaboration.

Plus, who in their right mind would want the Terminator floating around in space? That's ridiculous. Thanks, but I'll stick with my cuttlefish.

Hmm, what would a Reaper thats made of Humans look like? well maybe a metal Human.... I think its stupid that a Human Reaper looks like all the rest, I was under the impression while playing ME 1 that Reapers look like the species they were made from.

[DRSH]

There will be female Reapers too! you can romance them for Parareapermour Achievement.

[Slashice]

Played the demo, watched the new trailers and all the flying Reapers looks exactly the same as Sovereign (the outer shell), while at the end of Mass Effect 2 none of the Reapers in the fleet had the Sovereign lookin outer shell. There were 5-6 Reapers with different shells and they repeated them, but NONE of them had the Sovereign outer shell.

While in ME3 we only see the Reapers with the Sovereign outer shell... is it laziness from BioWare or they have a good explanation for this story wise?

Any thoughts?

[KotorEffect3]

Slashice wrote...

Played the demo, watched the new trailers and all the flying Reapers looks exactly the same as Sovereign (the outer shell), while at the end of Mass Effect 2 none of the Reapers in the fleet had the Sovereign lookin outer shell. There were 5-6 Reapers with different shells and they repeated them, but NONE of them had the Sovereign outer shell.

While in ME3 we only see the Reapers with the Sovereign outer shell... is it laziness from BioWare or they have a good explanation for this story wise?

Any thoughts?

I am taking a wait and see approach, we have seen two types of reapers so far.  The Soverein like capital ships and the smaller destroyers.  Maybe Harbinger and some of the other more powerful reapers will have their own unique looks.

[ElementL09]

We've only seen Trailers and played the Demo. Mass Effect games have a big story and we've only had a glimpse. I don't think Bioware is lazy, I just think there saving the best for last.

Side note: I thought the Human Reaper concept design was interesting, it looked liked an embryo.

[Sith Reaper]

Slashice wrote...

Hey all!

Sorry if this topic has been allready posted somewhere else, but I couldn't find it, and I thought it's an important topic.

At the end of Mass Effect 2 we saw a huge Reaper fleet, with different kinds of Reapers ( www.youtube.com/watch ), but in the Mass Effect 3 trailer, and in the demo we ONLY saw "Sovereign" looking Reapers.

I hope this is just in the beta and in the demo and BioWare will change this in the final version, cause it would feel lame to see Sovereign looking Reapers everywhere (it's obvious that we will see same looking Reapers, as the Reapers probably created more then just one Reaper out of a race, but as I said in the demo and in the trailer we only saw Sovereign like Reapers, everywhere).

What's your thoughts about this? Maybe BioWare allready posted a reaction about this in the forum and I've just missed it? 

Sorry if this topic is a duplication

I was thinking about this as well.  I assume that the Reapers we see at the end of Mass Effect 2 are of a different age than the "Sovereign" looking ones - it is possible the design changed over time. I like the design of Sovereign, so this wasn't a huge concern for me, but I would love to see different kinds of Reapers eventually.

[incinerator950]

Arcian wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

If anything, the concept art supports the idea that it was originally meant to be a full reaper, not just a human core that sits in a cuttlefish shell.

I don't think the concept art supports any notion of what it was originally meant to look like.  All it supports is that they had a variety of ideas for it.

So you think one of these ideas was to have something that looks like a cuttlefish inside something that looks like a cuttlefish.

I'm doing it so nobody else has to:

C U T T L E C E P T I O N

Yo dawg, I heard you like Reapers, so we put a Cuttlefish in your Cuttlefish so you can Reap while you're harvesting.  

Actually, I thought your Reaper would have a large nose.  I wanted to make my own, but I suck at art.

[MostlyAutumn]

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Modifié par MostlyAutumn, 20 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[Slashice]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Slashice wrote...

Hey all!

Sorry if this topic has been allready posted somewhere else, but I couldn't find it, and I thought it's an important topic.

At the end of Mass Effect 2 we saw a huge Reaper fleet, with different kinds of Reapers ( www.youtube.com/watch ), but in the Mass Effect 3 trailer, and in the demo we ONLY saw "Sovereign" looking Reapers.

I hope this is just in the beta and in the demo and BioWare will change this in the final version, cause it would feel lame to see Sovereign looking Reapers everywhere (it's obvious that we will see same looking Reapers, as the Reapers probably created more then just one Reaper out of a race, but as I said in the demo and in the trailer we only saw Sovereign like Reapers, everywhere).

What's your thoughts about this? Maybe BioWare allready posted a reaction about this in the forum and I've just missed it? 

Sorry if this topic is a duplication

I was thinking about this as well.  I assume that the Reapers we see at the end of Mass Effect 2 are of a different age than the "Sovereign" looking ones - it is possible the design changed over time. I like the design of Sovereign, so this wasn't a huge concern for me, but I would love to see different kinds of Reapers eventually.

Aye, that's what I'm thinking and hoping for. Or maybe the "Sovereign ones" have a different role in the Reaper fleet than the other ones. Or every species in the Galaxy have they own "dedicated" Reapers on them, for example the Krogans will have to fight the "fat Reapers" as seen at the arrival cutscene



Still no explanation why we didn't see any of the Sovereign ones at the end of ME2 cutscene, but if they have a good explanation why they're attacking us and not the others I'm fine with that

Modifié par Slashice, 20 février 2012 - 10:10 .

[Slashice]

PS: I would love to see that fat one landing on a planet...

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Slashice wrote...

Played the demo, watched the new trailers and all the flying Reapers looks exactly the same as Sovereign (the outer shell), while at the end of Mass Effect 2 none of the Reapers in the fleet had the Sovereign lookin outer shell. There were 5-6 Reapers with different shells and they repeated them, but NONE of them had the Sovereign outer shell.

While in ME3 we only see the Reapers with the Sovereign outer shell... is it laziness from BioWare or they have a good explanation for this story wise?

Any thoughts?

There are 4 types of Reapers.
Harvesters and Shrouds are to gather&process organics into dna liquid to construct more reapers
Capital ships and destroyers are for battle <_<

[myd00m]

reapers are the same with the exception of harbinger who controls them.

[Slashice]

myd00m wrote...

reapers are the same with the exception of harbinger who controls them.

They don't look the same to me, only similar! For example one is thin and long the other is fat and smaller. They look similar tho but not the same. Different outer shell.