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[MrChowderClam]

For those who argue that the script won't change - the script contradicts and changes itself, within itself. There are several versions of missions that have significant changes from each other. So yeah, the script has probably gone through many, many other changes since this document's inception.

Modifié par MrChowderClam, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:42 .

[SarunasAndSoOn]

MrChowderClam wrote...

For those who argue that the script won't change - the script contradicts and changes itself, within itself. There are several versions of missions that have significant changes from each other. So yeah, the script has probably gone through many, many other changes since this document's inception.

from what ive heard so far, it sounds as if this "script" was more like "notes taken during meeting #1 in developing the game" which makes me want to take a look but my will power is stronger than that. just incase anything actually makes it through to the final.

[IanPolaris]

MrChowderClam wrote...

For those who argue that the script won't change - the script contradicts and changes itself, within itself. There are several versions of missions that have significant changes from each other. So yeah, the script has probably gone through many, many other changes since this document's inception.

One doesn't follow from the other.  In fact, the fact that many multiple versions are there to account for different variables is an argument that what was leaked is a lot more final than Bioware wants to admit.  There are many other reasons for me to think that what was leaked is a lot more accurate and final than Bioware wants to admit, but I don't want to repeat them all again.  They've pretty much already been stated by me or others.

-Polaris

[marstor05]

thought it was only guidelines to follow - not definite directions. Lots of room to change things.

[JimiShep]

MrChowderClam wrote...

For those who argue that the script won't change - the script contradicts and changes itself, within itself. There are several versions of missions that have significant changes from each other. So yeah, the script has probably gone through many, many other changes since this document's inception.

100% TRUE! I believe SOME of the situations will be there, but with completely different outcomes.

[Aaleel]

I didn't look at much of the leaked stuff. I haven't been blown away by the officially released stuff, so it's pretty much going to come down to the demo. I overlooked problems with the last demo I played, and it cost me $60. This time if I'm not excited by the demo, it's a no buy for me, I'll wait until I can play it at a friend's house to make sure.

But also I hate when anyone with a problem is labeled a "hater" and part of some out of control "vocal minority"

[MrChowderClam]

IanPolaris wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...

For those who argue that the script won't change - the script contradicts and changes itself, within itself. There are several versions of missions that have significant changes from each other. So yeah, the script has probably gone through many, many other changes since this document's inception.

One doesn't follow from the other.  In fact, the fact that many multiple versions are there to account for different variables is an argument that what was leaked is a lot more final than Bioware wants to admit.  There are many other reasons for me to think that what was leaked is a lot more accurate and final than Bioware wants to admit, but I don't want to repeat them all again.  They've pretty much already been stated by me or others.

-Polaris

No, not as in not different variables - the scenes themselves and the choices you are allowed to make within the context of ME3 are different. (i.e. one version has a choice you can make, another one doesn't). I don't want to post spoilers. but (highlight text to see):

HIGHLIGHT START:
The choice about choosing A/K or Liara is present in three versions of the Leng fight, one of which only has the cutscene if you do poorly in the fight - the other two are regardless. The choice is completely absent in a fourth version of the scene.
HIGHLIGHT END

also, off topic, spoiler tags would be nice. just sayin

Modifié par MrChowderClam, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Juha81FIN]

Although I am keepong my both thumbs up for bioware in hope that they can make ME 3 as great as it can possibly get, I am still keeping my feet on the ground so I can approach the the final product with open mind and not be disappointed by high hopes.

[IanPolaris]

MrChowderClam,

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. The fact that such branchings exist indicate at least to me a fairly advanced draft and that doesn't bode well.

Oh...to hide text do the following:

Use {color=rbg(50, 50, 50)} (spoiler text here) {/color} to hide text (replace all { and } with [ and ])

-Polaris

[Ofcoursenot]

It's a successful RPG with guns, makes alot of money, is mainstream, and is fun. Plus it isn't out yet. Every reason needed for people with nothing better to do to hate on it.

[MrChowderClam]

IanPolaris wrote...

MrChowderClam,

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. The fact that such branchings exist indicate at least to me a fairly advanced draft and that doesn't bode well.

Oh...to hide text do the following:

Use {color=rbg(50, 50, 50)} (spoiler text here) {/color} to hide text (replace all { and } with [ and ])

-Polaris

Ah ok, I see what you mean and where you're coming from.

Still, I don't think it's a branching - from the way the text is written, it seems like they were playing with different ideas. I don't think that you can get any of those versions depending on what choices you make - in the final game I think there will one version of that scene.

Just my 2 cents. I guess we'll know for sure come march (or another leak lol - hopefully not)

Also, thanks for the tip. color=#323232 also works. Although it would be nice to change the background attribute of the text to black to show which part to hilight.

Modifié par MrChowderClam, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:58 .

[Siansonea]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

I don't know who this is, but it ain't Chris Priestly. This person sounds like they almost don't despise ME fans.

[Harmless Citizen]

Aaleel wrote...

But also I hate when anyone with a problem is labeled a "hater" and part of some out of control "vocal minority"

I don't think the "hater" epithet was meant for those like you (and many others) who have issues with what they've seen. That's natural for any fan who has any vested interest (emotional, monetary, time) in a series. The people they're referring to are the ones running about crying about how much the game will "suck" and how BioWare has "betrayed" them, usually the same ones whingeing about how BioWare is catering to those horrible, fat, stupid CoD fans. 

Some of them have valid points, but QQing about a game when all you've seen are skeleton notes is just ridiculous. Granted, some of the plot may be cliche, but BioWare games are full of them anyway. It's the execution that matters. 

[SarunasAndSoOn]

Random Nobody wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

But also I hate when anyone with a problem is labeled a "hater" and part of some out of control "vocal minority"

I don't think the "hater" epithet was meant for those like you (and many others) who have issues with what they've seen. That's natural for any fan who has any vested interest (emotional, monetary, time) in a series. The people they're referring to are the ones running about crying about how much the game will "suck" and how BioWare has "betrayed" them, usually the same ones whingeing about how BioWare is catering to those horrible, fat, stupid CoD fans. 

Some of them have valid points, but QQing about a game when all you've seen are skeleton notes is just ridiculous. Granted, some of the plot may be cliche, but BioWare games are full of them anyway. It's the execution that matters. 

the people you described are exactly what i mean, thanks for the clarification.

[sirgippy]

I am psyched. And I have always been puzzled why people come on to say it will suck.. So go play online poker or something. Why be social about a game that you think will suck?

[DiebytheSword]

marstor05 wrote...

I dont care just release the game already....

Based on the relative roughness of the demo, that would be . . . undesireable.  They obviously have some work to do yet.

[Azzlee]

I was, until the co-op announcement, really excited about ME3. I love the ME series, I bought my 360 becuase of Mass Effect 1 for goodness sake. But the EA mantra of "include multiplayer in everything even when it was seriously successful without" is what grates at me the most. Why include it in the final installment? If you haven't played the first two, why will this make you buy it? And irregardless of all the blind folks who defend it by saying it was a different team who have made the co-op so it hasn't diverted resources. Frankly, that is deluded. No doubt the game was given an overall budget so money that could have gone on more singleplayer has been given to the multiplayer department. Its not just production either. I can promise that post launch DLC will concentrate on MP, not singleplayer.

Also, by not taking part in the co-op it is going to give me a different single player experience to someone who does from what I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong on this someone. This to me is criminal.

However, I'm not going to dick about and remove my pre order. Frankly, I need closure on the series I have very much loved to date, but there will be no further relationship between Bioware and my wallet. I'm not even going to preach that its going to be **** becuase it probably won't be. But BW did what I didn't believe was possible and utterly destroyed perhaps one of the finest games I have ever played in DA:O by disgracing themselves with an unfinished, underfunded, repetitive, poorly voiced and poorly written game in DA2.

This alone damaged the almost brilliance of BW in my eyes, and sleeping in the same bed as EA, a company I despise for more than just their publishing philosophy but on a personal basis as well, is enough for me to cut my losses. When someone at Bioware grows a pair and tells EA where to place there hard on for multiplayer, maybe then I'll take another look.

[naledgeborn]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

That's me. I haven't started any "the end is nigh" threads. However I will say that I am concerned about the direction some of my favorite characters are being steered in and the perceived amount of time put into them. And the concern stems from being passionate about a series I've been following since the very beginning. 

I hope my doubts are completely unfounded come March 6.

[Arcadian Legend]

Be positive folks. The longer you feel down the longer Garrus has to make calibrations.

[Weltea]

I think the vast majority is actually settled somewhere in the category of" I liked some things/I'm looking forward to some things but there are some things I didn't like/am really worried about in the first games/the leaked info but I'm still interested to see how Mass Effect 3 will play out".
The "haters" are just very vocal. And I don't think everyone of these "haters" agenda is to make other people feel miserable about the game (Although there are always those kinds around) but people who just had hoped for something different and want to express their feelings...

As for that discussion you wanted,I wouldn't be any help in that. I don't know ALL spoilers and pretty much don't care about those I know of - I don't expect ME3 to be perfect, but DA2 and ME2 weren't either and I loved them still.
Anything I get to know 'till I actually play the game and actually SEE all that stuff ingame are just small and pretty much unimportant details to me,even if it is the whole plot....

[Rune-Chan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Well said, I find myself criticising a lot more than I do praising, and it isn't because I hate the series or Bioware, it is that I want this series that I like so much to be the best that it can be, and obviously my opinion will not reflect everybody elses, but if I don't express it, then I cannot fairly complain.

My only concerns so far are linearity, as that word has been thrown around a lot since this bloody leak, the lack of a proper intro to the game (I am hoping for something at least the length of an Origin story in DA:O), and the lack of real decisions/consequences.

[this isnt my name]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

If this was before mass effect 2 (and to a degree DA2) I would be fine, but im not falling for this again. I liked ME1, saw great potential in the game. You could say I loved mass effect and became bitter, like I did with fable. But I have heared this before with mass effect 2, I was right with my concearns then.

As for why im a downer.

The plot.
The gameplay.
The consequences.

I dislike the writing, but wont go into it due to spoilers.
I disliked ME2, now it looks exactly the same. I want an rpg not a tps.
The consequences are non existant. Choices made for you.

All in all, replay value is 0 for me, it dosent look like a game I would enjoy and I sure as hell wouldnt spend £40 on it. Especially when its released around the same time as Bioshock infinate and Kingdoms of Amalur.

[SarunasAndSoOn]

this isnt my name wrote...


If this was before mass effect 2 (and to a degree DA2) I would be fine, but im not falling for this again. I liked ME1, saw great potential in the game. You could say I loved mass effect and became bitter, like I did with fable. But I have heared this before with mass effect 2, I was right with my concearns then.

As for why im a downer.

The plot.
The gameplay.
The consequences.

I dislike the writing, but wont go into it due to spoilers.
I disliked ME2, now it looks exactly the same. I want an rpg not a tps.
The consequences are non existant. Choices made for you.

All in all, replay value is 0 for me, it dosent look like a game I would enjoy and I sure as hell wouldnt spend £40 on it. Especially when its released around the same time as Bioshock infinate and Kingdoms of Amalur.

ME2 was as much an RPG as ME1, only it had less inventory and annoying upgrades. i think the dialouge and character steering was there, which in my opinion is what makes a good RPG.