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[SarunasAndSoOn]

Azzlee wrote...

I was, until the co-op announcement, really excited about ME3. I love the ME series, I bought my 360 becuase of Mass Effect 1 for goodness sake. But the EA mantra of "include multiplayer in everything even when it was seriously successful without" is what grates at me the most. Why include it in the final installment? If you haven't played the first two, why will this make you buy it? And irregardless of all the blind folks who defend it by saying it was a different team who have made the co-op so it hasn't diverted resources. Frankly, that is deluded. No doubt the game was given an overall budget so money that could have gone on more singleplayer has been given to the multiplayer department. Its not just production either. I can promise that post launch DLC will concentrate on MP, not singleplayer.

Also, by not taking part in the co-op it is going to give me a different single player experience to someone who does from what I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong on this someone. This to me is criminal.

However, I'm not going to dick about and remove my pre order. Frankly, I need closure on the series I have very much loved to date, but there will be no further relationship between Bioware and my wallet. I'm not even going to preach that its going to be **** becuase it probably won't be. But BW did what I didn't believe was possible and utterly destroyed perhaps one of the finest games I have ever played in DA:O by disgracing themselves with an unfinished, underfunded, repetitive, poorly voiced and poorly written game in DA2.

This alone damaged the almost brilliance of BW in my eyes, and sleeping in the same bed as EA, a company I despise for more than just their publishing philosophy but on a personal basis as well, is enough for me to cut my losses. When someone at Bioware grows a pair and tells EA where to place there hard on for multiplayer, maybe then I'll take another look.

i felt exactly the same about mp when it was first confirmed, i actually went through a stage if denial, but i think that singleplayer wont be damaged. im not going to play multiplayer mostly because of online issues, but i think the campaign will only be affected by MP in the galactic readiness scale, as in youll have to do less work in singleplayer, so in my positive thinking not playing multiplayer will actually give me more to do in the singleplayer! 

[Harmless Citizen]

Also, by not taking part in the co-op it is going to give me a different single player experience to someone who does from what I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong on this someone. This to me is criminal.

This is my biggest gripe for ME3. I already don't like shooters (Mass Effect is one of the few exceptions I've made, along with the genius that was Goldeneye 007 and Tribes), and I sure as hell don't like shooter co-ops. Having the option is fine, but designing the multiplayer such so that it affects the singleplayer campaign is an unwelcome, shoehorned intrusion. I play BioWare games for their story and characters, great gameplay is just a bonus. Don't make me do something I don't find enjoyable for the sake of seeing more of that story. This is the same principle that makes me hate DLC (not BW DLC, but DLC in general).

Though if this isn't how the co-op system works, I'll eat my non-existent hat.

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:26 .

[Shammybaby]

SPOILERS.



"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

"Oh exclusive endings for the Co-Op Campaign, a feature added at the very end of a single player trilogy!"

"A Or B. Not X. Y. Z. A or B. You chose A? Jokes on you we preferred B."


Devolution. ME1 was clever in hiding its small size with very intuitive and well designed backgrounds, rendering, and clever ways to make people remember galactic politics and social status. The size of the encyclopedia in that game was amazing! Such a rich and, in a world of mediocrity, it was unique.

ME2 still had great moments. The Thrasher Maw fight for instance- and taking down Samara's daughter (or letting her join the crew). Inserting yourself into the hostage situation with Thane's son, also great- solid atmosphere, despite the continuation of 'narrow corridor. Enemies. Another narrow corridor. Cinematic. Choose a dialogue option in which the character doesn't actually say a single word from said dialogue option you chose. Repeat.' Less skills, less open environment.

/SPOILER

Now ME 3 is 'the best time to get into the franchise' as someone put it. I hope that last tid bit isn't true- if some one said that I'd give them a written warning in the work place for being silly.

That's why I'm being a bit of a downy daisy.

Modifié par Shammybaby, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:38 .

[Harmless Citizen]

 Choose a dialogue option in which the character doesn't actually say a single word from said dialogue option you chose.
 

This was equally as prevalent in ME1. I personally thought it was pretty funny to choose a neutral-sounding/neutrally punctuated bottom option and have Shep unexpectedly chimp the hell out over something minor. 

...It was not as funny when the Consort raped me. 

edit: No emoticons allowed? 

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:51 .

[onelifecrisis]

Shammybaby wrote...
SPOILERS

"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

No way. You have got to be f*cking kidding me.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Terror_K]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Yeah, what's the ETA on that?

[MrChowderClam]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Shammybaby wrote...
SPOILERS

"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

No way. You have got to be f*cking kidding me.

I'm pretty sure he is lol

[onelifecrisis]

MrChowderClam wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Shammybaby wrote...
SPOILERS

"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

No way. You have got to be f*cking kidding me.

I'm pretty sure he is lol

That was my first thought, but then I remembered watching Shepard die of suffocation and freeze to death in space and then disintegrate in the atmosphere of a planet before being resurrected.

[Harmless Citizen]

That was my first thought, but then I remembered watching Shepard die of suffocation and freeze to death in space 

Just nitpicking here, but space is not cold.  

Shep froze because s/he (presumably) landed on that snowy-arse planet where you find what's left of the first Normandy. 

[onelifecrisis]

Random Nobody wrote...

That was my first thought, but then I remembered watching Shepard die of suffocation and freeze to death in space 

Just nitpicking here, but space is not cold.  

Shep froze because s/he (presumably) landed on that snowy-arse planet where you find what's left of the first Normandy. 

I don't mind your nitpick, but I'm pretty sure it is cold. Very cold. Maybe I'll google...

Edit: yep, it's cold. 

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[Harmless Citizen]

Is it? My understanding was that the base temperature was 3 K as applied to objects of normal matter in intergalactic space. Anywhere with a source of radiation should be warmer than that.

Then again, my speciality is biomed engineering, so I wouldn't know. :S

[MrChowderClam]

Random Nobody wrote...

Is it? My understanding was that the base temperature was 3 K as applied to objects of normal matter in intergalactic space. Anywhere with a source of radiation should be warmer than that.

Space is cold:
http://imagine.gsfc....rs/980301b.html

Unless you're next to a star. In which case it is hot.

[onelifecrisis]

Random Nobody wrote...

Is it? My understanding was that the base temperature was 3 K as applied to objects of normal matter in intergalactic space. Anywhere with a source of radiation should be warmer than that.

Then again, my speciality is biomed engineering, so I wouldn't know. :S

Er, 3 K is pretty damn cold. The radiation from a nearby star would cause severe sunburn to any naked skin, but very little heat transfer. The body would freeze (after dying in a multitude of extremely unpleasant ways).

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:23 .

[Harmless Citizen]

Yes, I know 3K is cold. But that's the absolute threshold temperature for the intergalactic void (read: most of the universe) due to CMB. However, this wouldn't be the case in galaxies, where ME takes place. I mean, theoretically, if your body was lost in space/vacuum (assuming you aren't close to a star, and you radiate more heat than you absorb from CR) you would eventually freeze. But it would take an extremely long time, and from what we saw, Shep was poised for reentry almost right after s/he was spaced. Hypoxia, ebullism, and dying horribly as a shooting star would be bigger dangers. 

...We're so off-topic, though.

Modifié par Random Nobody, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[onelifecrisis]

Random Nobody wrote...

Yes, I know 3K is cold. But that's the absolute threshold temperature for the intergalactic void (read: most of the universe) due to CMB. However, this wouldn't be the case in galaxies, where ME takes place. I mean, theoretically, if your body was lost in space/vacuum (assuming you aren't close to a star, and you radiate more heat than you absorb from CR) you would eventually freeze. But it would take an extremely long time, and from what we saw, Shep was poised for reentry almost right after s/he was spaced. Hypoxia, ebullism, and dying horribly as a shooting star would be bigger dangers. 

...We're so off-topic, though.

Well I can agree with you that Shep was heading to that planet probably faster than s/he would have frozen, especially considering the heat gained from the visible atmospheric burn. Anyway, THE POINT (to get back on topic ) is that since seeing that in ME2, there's very little that I can easily shrug off as a "joke" ME3 spoiler.

[Shammybaby]

Go into space without a suit.

Come back and tell me if it's cold or not.

[onelifecrisis]

Shammybaby wrote...

Go into space without a suit.

Come back and tell me if it's cold or not.

My spaceship is broken. Can I borrow yours?

[Shammybaby]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Shammybaby wrote...

Go into space without a suit.

Come back and tell me if it's cold or not.

My spaceship is broken. Can I borrow yours?

I don't own one myself but my buddy Richy does. He's a pretty cool dude and doesn't afraid of anything.

http://api.twitter.c...RichardGarriott

Him and I head into space all the time he's pretty cool.

[Harmless Citizen]

Shammybaby wrote...

Go into space without a suit.

Just about everyone but Shep is just fine in a vacuum, apparently.

[Harmless Citizen]

DP                   . 

Modifié par Random Nobody, 09 novembre 2011 - 01:02 .

[RolandX9]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

THIS. So very much this.

FTR, I'm anti-multiplayer (so I've been on the negative side all too recently), not anti-spoiler-data -- having seen video of the beta in its entirety and read most (I think) of the spoilers, I have to say I'm actually feeling a lot better about the game now. (Well, except for the five minutes of opening where Shepard's on autopilot -- but I know the meaning of the word "beta" in context.) The problem is, you don't worry about polish in your outline or first draft, and the released spoiler text is both--a first draft outline. Folks see raw data written informally and...well, panic.

[RolandX9]

Shammybaby wrote...

SPOILERS.

"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

If you let Rana Thanoptis run, she's still alive. There some reason Saren's forces couldn't have captured the teammate left behind? I mean, you were outside of Virmire's atmo when the nuke went off. That takes time, even in the 22nd century.

No, that's not a spoiler, just speculation on my part. I wouldn't be surprised if the non-VS turned out to be Saren 2.0 after some heavy indoctrination/implantation. (Of course, that'd be some pretty epic impact for your decision, IMHO -- the friend you left behind wasn't simply killed, s/he was enslaved by the Reapers and turned into your greatest enemy.)

[Esquin]

A lot of people are very quick to cry foul when they hear about something they don't know about. They hear about changes being made in the new game and they automatically assume those changes will be bad. Like somehow Bioware doesn't want the game to be the greatest thing that's ever appeared in pixel form. My advice is just to use your own judgement. These people who try to be negative, they don't have all the facts, neither do you or I. Mr Priestly there does but he won't tell us and is clearly part of the illuminati. I see your avatar!

But really, we're all still going to buy the game, regardless of what the negative people say. And when we do we'll likely enjoy it. So will that for that matter. Best policy is to ignore them, and let the mods deal with the ones who are just starting trouble.

[CDRSkyShepard]

RolandX9 wrote...

Shammybaby wrote...

SPOILERS.

"Ashley/Kaiden are dead? But did you CHECK THEIR PULSE AFTER THEY WERE ENGULFED IN A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION LOL NOPE"

If you let Rana Thanoptis run, she's still alive. There some reason Saren's forces couldn't have captured the teammate left behind? I mean, you were outside of Virmire's atmo when the nuke went off. That takes time, even in the 22nd century.

No, that's not a spoiler, just speculation on my part. I wouldn't be surprised if the non-VS turned out to be Saren 2.0 after some heavy indoctrination/implantation. (Of course, that'd be some pretty epic impact for your decision, IMHO -- the friend you left behind wasn't simply killed, s/he was enslaved by the Reapers and turned into your greatest enemy.)

Erm...I don't know how Rana escaped, but she probably was off the planet by the time Shep blew that nuke. The non-VS was most likely still in the viscinity when the nuke went off, captured or not.  The Normandy was right there to pick Shep up, and I highly doubt they had time to get the non-VS (if even captured) to another ship by the time the nuke exploded. When a nuclear device explodes, anything within a 12 mile radius would be GONE. I don't know what kind of yield the device Shep and crew put down, but that's the stats on the largest nuclear device we have the capacity to detonate today. No way any part of that facility survived...it was just a crater, if anything.

So...in my estimation, there's only a very astronomical chance the other person survived. And since the choice was made to be permanent, it most likely that astronomical chance didn't happen.

But back on topic: I myself am still trying to figure out why people are getting so worked up about a very sketchy draft of the plot. There are tons of holes, and there is very little mention of how things are supposed to play out based on what you did in ME1 and ME2. People just see some stuff that's supposed to happen and assume that it means that our decisions didn't mean squat, even though we don't see anything that is a direct result of Decision X or Decision Y. These are main plot points, and will probably twist differently given our decisions. Do I think what is there is absolutely fantastic? No, but I know it's not done and fleshed-out by any stretch. Do I think it's all going in the right direction? Absolutely.

Come on, March 6th!

[Terror_K]

Esquin wrote...

A lot of people are very quick to cry foul when they hear about something they don't know about. They hear about changes being made in the new game and they automatically assume those changes will be bad. Like somehow Bioware doesn't want the game to be the greatest thing that's ever appeared in pixel form.

Greatest thing ever, or simply greatest selling thing ever?

There's a difference. And I'm not entirely sure BioWare is going for quality of product over quantity of sales.