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[Zkyire]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Some people just wanna watch the world burn.

[Vegos]

Terror_K wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Yeah, what's the ETA on that?

Aye, 'tis true.

[Vegos]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Some people just wanna watch the world burn.

Some do, but some would watch the world burn if it did, but while it isn't burning, we aren't working on making it burn either.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

The more you know.

Knowing is only half the battle process.

[1136342t54_]

Terror_K wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Yeah, what's the ETA on that?

Due to the general distrust some BSN forumites have of Bioware it wouldn't really matter unless Bioware actually comment on specific spoilers for certain people explaining away and purposely spoiling their own game even more months  before it comes out.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...


Due to the general distrust some BSN forumites have of Bioware it wouldn't really matter unless Bioware actually comment on specific spoilers for certain people explaining away and purposely spoiling their own game even more months  before it comes out.

Yes. It would matter. It would matter a lot.

At least to me.

They don't need to spoil for the specifics of how the modes work. They don't need to spoil for the specifics on just how the SP and MP tie together. They don't have to spoil to make it clear just what Origin scans.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:07 .

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Vegos wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Due to the general distrust some BSN forumites have of Bioware it wouldn't really matter unless Bioware actually comment on specific spoilers for certain people explaining away and purposely spoiling their own game even more months  before it comes out.

Yes. It would matter. It would matter a lot.

At least to me.

They don't need to spoil for the specifics of how the modes work. They don't need to spoil for the specifics on just how the SP and MP tie together. They don't have to spoil to make it clear just what Origin scans.

Some people want to be spoiled while others just want general assurances that can never be truly answered since some of those same people have said many times they don't really trust Bioware. It would only matter to them until they can play the game. Bioware has to do their best to please the majority with their statements no matter how much you wish they didn't.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

Some people want to be spoiled while others just want general assurances that can never be truly answered since some of those same people have said many times they don't really trust Bioware. It would only matter to them until they can play the game. Bioware has to do their best to please the majority with their statements no matter how much you wish they didn't.

As I said, they would not have to spoil anything in order to give me my assurances, so what's your point? I'm not Some People; I'm Vegos.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Terror_K]

1136342t54 wrote...

Some people want to be spoiled while others just want general assurances that can never be truly answered since some of those same people have said many times they don't really trust Bioware. It would only matter to them until they can play the game. Bioware has to do their best to please the majority with their statements no matter how much you wish they didn't.

Well... it is a bit hard when, for example, claims were made that ME2 would really reflect our import choices and change the game in a meaningful way that had a real impact... and what we got instead were a bunch of emails, weak substitutions and stuff either swept under the rug or trivialised for the most part.

It's a bit of a "boy who cried wolf thing" when it comes to factors like this. I mean, by all accounts the Sur'kesh demo we've seen should be entirely different  for a person who killed Mordin and Wrex than the one we've seen. Can BioWare say that it is, or is it going to be like Horizon and Tuchanka from ME2 all over again, and we have Wreav in Wrex's place even though it makes no sense given their directly opposite policies and some Mordin substitute who delivers mostly the same lines with a different model and voice actor, and perhaps less reminiscing, etc.

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...


As I said, they would not have to spoil anything in order to give me my assurances, so what's your point? I'm not Some People; I'm Vegos.

This isn't just about spoilers about pleasing the majority. Vegos isn't the majority so they shouldn't specifically pander to you.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...

This isn't just about spoilers about pleasing the majority. Vegos isn't the majority so they shouldn't specifically pander to you.

Well, at least that makes me stop being a disgruntled and impossible to please ass in your eyes then, doesn't it?

[1136342t54_]

Terror_K wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Some people want to be spoiled while others just want general assurances that can never be truly answered since some of those same people have said many times they don't really trust Bioware. It would only matter to them until they can play the game. Bioware has to do their best to please the majority with their statements no matter how much you wish they didn't.

Well... it is a bit hard when, for example, claims were made that ME2 would really reflect our import choices and change the game in a meaningful way that had a real impact... and what we got instead were a bunch of emails, weak substitutions and stuff either swept under the rug or trivialised for the most part.

It's a bit of a "boy who cried wolf thing" when it comes to factors like this. I mean, by all accounts the Sur'kesh demo we've seen should be entirely different  for a person who killed Mordin and Wrex than the one we've seen. Can BioWare say that it is, or is it going to be like Horizon and Tuchanka from ME2 all over again, and we have Wreav in Wrex's place even though it makes no sense given their directly opposite policies and some Mordin substitute who delivers mostly the same lines with a different model and voice actor, and perhaps less reminiscing, etc.

Then we are at the point where Bioware knows even if they respond no matter what they say it will not be enough. It may please a few people but it won't ever please everyone especially those who would want further clarification on the spoilers. Its a lose lose situation for them.

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

This isn't just about spoilers about pleasing the majority. Vegos isn't the majority so they shouldn't specifically pander to you.

Well, at least that makes me stop being a disgruntled and impossible to please ass in your eyes then, doesn't it?

No more than the average BSN forumite. 

[Terror_K]

1136342t54 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Well... it is a bit hard when, for example, claims were made that ME2 would really reflect our import choices and change the game in a meaningful way that had a real impact... and what we got instead were a bunch of emails, weak substitutions and stuff either swept under the rug or trivialised for the most part.

It's a bit of a "boy who cried wolf thing" when it comes to factors like this. I mean, by all accounts the Sur'kesh demo we've seen should be entirely different  for a person who killed Mordin and Wrex than the one we've seen. Can BioWare say that it is, or is it going to be like Horizon and Tuchanka from ME2 all over again, and we have Wreav in Wrex's place even though it makes no sense given their directly opposite policies and some Mordin substitute who delivers mostly the same lines with a different model and voice actor, and perhaps less reminiscing, etc.

Then we are at the point where Bioware knows even if they respond no matter what they say it will not be enough. It may please a few people but it won't ever please everyone especially those who would want further clarification on the spoilers. Its a lose lose situation for them.

I wouldn't need any more spoilers, beyond the simple question of, "is it just the same thing with different players, or is the whole mission different?" That doesn't spoil anything beyond what we already know about the Sur'kesh stuff and the fact that we've either actually got really varied content or not.

Again, a question such as, "are there any missions in ME3 akin to the Port Hanshan garage pass from ME1 where there were half a dozen ways to deal with the situation, some of which lead to different areas, encounters and characters?"

That doesn't spoil anything beyond the simple question of, "is there some variation in quests, or are they all linear?"

[Vegos]

Terror_K wrote...


I wouldn't need any more spoilers, beyond the simple question of, "is it just the same thing with different players, or is the whole mission different?" That doesn't spoil anything beyond what we already know about the Sur'kesh stuff and the fact that we've either actually got really varied content or not.

Again, a question such as, "are there any missions in ME3 akin to the Port Hanshan garage pass from ME1 where there were half a dozen ways to deal with the situation, some of which lead to different areas, encounters and characters?"

That doesn't spoil anything beyond the simple question of, "is there some variation in quests, or are they all linear?"

Give it up, you can't please him, no matter what you say. It's a lose-lose situation for you.


....say, where have I heard something similar before?

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[1136342t54_]

Terror_K wrote...
I wouldn't need any more spoilers, beyond the simple question of, "is it just the same thing with different players, or is the whole mission different?" That doesn't spoil anything beyond what we already know about the Sur'kesh stuff and the fact that we've either actually got really varied content or not.

Again, a question such as, "are there any missions in ME3 akin to the Port Hanshan garage pass from ME1 where there were half a dozen ways to deal with the situation, some of which lead to different areas, encounters and characters?"

That doesn't spoil anything beyond the simple question of, "is there some variation in quests, or are they all linear?"

Again we've arrived at the point in which that what you want isn't exactly what everyone want. Although some of those questions you have could easily be answered if you ask on Twitter.

[1136342t54_]

Vegos wrote...
 
Give it up, you can't please him, no matter what you say. It's a lose-lose situation for you.


....say, where have I heard something similar before?

Its a lose lose situation for bioware since we aren't the ones who are wondering how to make a statement to satisfy the majority on the leaked datamine issue. To be honest I'm pretty much satisfied on it and from what I'm seeing a good amount of people are but that just maybe my view.

Its possible the majority has already been pleased.

[Vegos]

1136342t54 wrote...


Again we've arrived at the point in which that what you want isn't exactly what everyone want. Although some of those questions you have could easily be answered if you ask on Twitter.

But "everyone" includes Terror_K by definiton?

[Gatt9]

It's really simple.

EA is forcing "Features" in so they can sell Online Passes,  and try to capitlize on pointless toys,  rather than focusing on the quality of the game.  Significant chunks of the budget were wasted on shoehoring in Multiplayer into a singe player narrative driven game,  kinect support to have a bullet point on the box,  and "Shooter-mode" for the people who can't manage even the very minimal RPG elements present.

This pulls the team's focus away from making the best game possible,  and forces them to focus on implmenting the Suit's "Must have list" that doesn't add anything to the actual point of the game.

Further,  in an effort to sell Online Passes,  multiplayer will be essentially forced upon all,  forcing players to lose track of their goals,  emotional investment,  and their attention to fill some silly meter just so they could sell Online Passes.

Then there's the issue of the Shooter-mode,  which precludes the ability for the game to have Choice & Consequence,  since now one of their targets doesn't make choices.

It doesn't help matters that not only was one of their team leads so clueless she couldn't tell the difference between a beginners D&D book and a real D&D book when trying to earn street cred in a presentation,  nor could should actually identify RPG dice,  but she also quit 2/3 of the way through,  creating even further vision problems since her questionable direction was now lost leaving the team in the hands of someone different.

ME3's not going to end well,  it'll be like DA2.  It's being forced in a completely different direction,  with way too much Suit interference mandating pointless "Features" just because someone who sits in an office thinks it'll get him a bigger bonus check.  No game in the 30 year history with this kind of development cycle has ever done anything but bomb.

ME3 won't be any different.  It's not possible to make a good game when you're forced to spend your time implementing features that don't contribute to making a good game,  and in fact will force you to change the design to support the useless features.

The firestorm here in March will be alot bigger than the one for DA2's release.

onelifecrisis wrote...

I don't think you're in a minority. Plenty of people are still psyched for ME3.

And the other people making this claim...Go look at Gamespot's news article about yesterday's spoiler image.  people are not optimistic about Bioware,  even on a forum that wildly cheered Fallout 3's conversion to FPS.  Things do not bode well for ME3,  which considering the last 2 only sold a couple million copies,  will be really bad.

[JaceTAce]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I think it is inmportant to remember that even the people who are currently, shall we say, on teh negative side are only there because they love he Mass Effect series and are worried that what we have revealed so far doesn't conform to their expectations of ME3.

This doesn't mean that they hate ME3 (I do grant there are a very small number of people only here to cause trouble, but we try to downplay them asap), it just means they want clarity and, to some degree, reassurance that we aren't screwing up a title they care about.

Gotta agree with Chris here.  Sides, the people who are bad mouthing the game here on the forums are basically trolls who want to get something out of the rest of us.  Love me or hate me, I know plenty of people who like to troll just for fun.  Truth is, if they are complaining, then they really do like the game.  They just want to throw in some **** while they wait for the game and let the developers know they really want this game to be great in the end.  Don't let it get you down.

[The_11thDoctor]

I think ME3 will be fun, but expect EA to ruin it with requiring Origin which means no privacy or rights, spyware and a lame interface.

[Mecha Tengu]

expecting no less than casualcore Milk Money Shooter with tons of gratifying explosions, the type that call of duty children flock to

will also have 10 DLC packs each $10 on day 1

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:49 .

[Vegos]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

will also have 10 DLC packs each $10 on day 1

I'm pretty sure that if they do that even the currently-hyped folks will be out for blood.

Ironically, I wouldn't put it past EA.

[slimgrin]

Why make thread like this?

[Mecha Tengu]

Vegos wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

will also have 10 DLC packs each $10 on day 1

I'm pretty sure that if they do that even the currently-hyped folks will be out for blood.

Ironically, I wouldn't put it past EA.

Activison #1 scumbags