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[Gervaise]

I'm sure this has already been answered somewhere but I just don't know where to look.
In Origins Duncan claims that Eluvians originated in Tevinter.   Yet we are given to understand in the manual that it is a a relic of our Dalish people's past.  Now granted Tevinter played an important part in the elves past but I can't see Merrill being so obsessed with a Tevinter relic (even if she did seem intrigued by the altar of Dumat).  I never played Witch Hunt and there seemed to be more about eluvians in that.   So would someone be kind enough to fill me in please.

[TEWR]

They are elven in origin, but Tevinter claimed them after they sieged Arlathan. Eluvian also translates to "seeing glass". Mirror.

However, the Tevinter magus were only able to unlock their communication powers with blood magic. So imo it seems that the Arlathan elves did use blood magic.

[General User]

During the werewolf quest in DA:O it is suggested that the relationship between ancient elves and humans may not have been so one sided. That there were instances where they lived and worked equitably together and collaborated on magical projects, including, very possibly the eluvians.

[Gervaise]

So that would explain why Merrill was able to cleanse it with blood magic. Even the ruins where it was found seemed to imply a respectful relationship between elves and humans, so this may have been before Tevinter became all powerful. Thank you.

[primero holodon]

The easiest explanation would be that Duncan was mistaken.

[GavrielKay]

Resurrecting this thread as I just played through this part of Origins yesterday and was surprised to hear Duncan say that.

Thing is... Duncan sounds awfully sure of himself. And as a Grey Warden, he might have access to ancient records that have been lost to others for centuries. What if Merrill was wrong the whole time and the eluvian never had anything to do with the Elvhen? The Elves have lost their history; how would she really know?

[TEWR]

GavrielKay wrote...

Resurrecting this thread as I just played through this part of Origins yesterday and was surprised to hear Duncan say that.

Thing is... Duncan sounds awfully sure of himself. And as a Grey Warden, he might have access to ancient records that have been lost to others for centuries. What if Merrill was wrong the whole time and the eluvian never had anything to do with the Elvhen? The Elves have lost their history; how would she really know?

Well, it has to be theirs since the only name for it is in Elvish.

Remember that Tevinter sieged Arlathan and destroyed much of what the Elves held dear. If they claimed the Eluvians -- which seems to be the case since they experimented on them -- then they would've been associated with Tevinter.

Remember that Morrigan specifically sought a tome that dealt with the Eluvians and was written entirely in ancient Elvish. Which as a result helped her to unlock everything about it.

[GavrielKay]

Makes me wonder if BioWare decided to go back and add it in to the DA2 story after the Dalish Elf origin was written. Or if they always intended for Duncan to be wrong.

[dragonflight288]

One thing is certain. Duncan is only human. An awesome one, but he is not immune to error or mistakes. His word isn't necessarily law of lore.

[Urzon]

If the codexs taught us anything, it's that Bioware likes to keep Thedas' history vague and have multiple interpretations. They have choices to choose from when they are making the planning out the storyline, and they can tweak the backstory if need be.

Or if worse comes to worse, they can simple say he was misinformed.

[AlexXIV]

Most magic origins from the Elves. Humans may have had some sort of tribal or shamanistic magic before they met their first elves, but the elves were already in their golden age of magic when humans were not more than a bunch of brutes organized in nomadic tribes I guess.

I find it plausible that human civilisation is heavily based on elven civilisation since that's what usually happens if two different cultures meet and one of them is signigicantly more evolved. The 'inferior' culture adapts to the 'superior' culture. Taking over most of the scientific or cultural advances and merging it with their own. Just like the northern/middle european tribes took over many things of the roman empire.

I wouldn't even be surprised that the only reason that humans have a chance to be born mages nowadays is a result of interracial offspring of elf and man to begin with. So the answer to the question is that Eluvians are probably Elven offspring, but that may be lost lore. The Tevinters turned the tables and enslaved the Elves and wiped out most of their lore and history, so Duncan basing his assumptions on 'wrong' facts may not be a surprise. Awesome beard or not, he is not all-knowing.  

[Macropodmum]

I think some of the confusion may have originated due to the fact that some of the eluvians have Tevinter statues attached to them (will try to find the pic I took). So if one did not know the full history of them then it might have been easy to assume them as of being Tevinter in origin.

Found it, this was the mirror that claimed Tamlen

Modifié par Macropodmum, 06 décembre 2011 - 10:00 .