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November 2017. It's been 10 years since release of ME and some guy decides to reboot the entire series. ME will come back with Shepard and friends and you are part of the writer's team. Actually, you're responsible for the main storyline, you don't have to bother with assignments (unless they cast some variables into main story arc) and characters are done already: they're the same like in ME.

One rule: No ME3 spoilers allowed - so you're only allowed to make the story for ME and ME2 AND starting point for ME3 (= endpoint of ME2).

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I'll do this with just a picture - using key scenes (missions, whatever). I'll start with ME, ME2 will follow ... maybe. If this thread survives ... :blink:

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Most changes are more or less cosmetic. I added a "Cerberus story arc" for chapter 2 because Cerberus is involved with Saren in some way. 
Also I added a third option for Virmire - rescueing both at the danger losing Ashley AND Kaidan if you fail.


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Modifié par CptData, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:44 .


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A reboot using the technology of 2017?

I'd just remake ME1 and optimize the character creator, add more character backgrounds, introduce the ME2 'finding different armor piece types' while retaining the customization of color.

Oh and you'd never work for Cerberus in the sequel. They shot my Rear-Admiral and experimented on people with stolen Thorian spores and I'm just gonna forget that because they saved me from what was a blatant deus-ex-machina to make me indoctrinated in the first place? Nah bro. 

Modifié par Shammybaby, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:17 .


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Hmmm, Change Ashley's/Kaiden's fate.

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I just want to see a second story arc in ME2 where Shepard never got killed and resurrected by Cerberus, so you can either kill Collectors as Cerberus operative OR as Alliance officer. Base story I have in my mind is similar in both variants, but differs largely from ME2 story we know now.

*cough* less recruiting missions *cough*

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Interesting.
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Sometimes I think about alternatives stories for Mass Effect, but I never got them very clearly in my mind.
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Maybe I'll try it and post it here.

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There's what I consider a mistake in the first chapter, surely you meant if Therum mission is not completed before Chapter 3, not Noveria.

Also, if you have Liara she's forced into your party for Noveria, that makes sense, but maybe actually tie some dialogue/romance options with her to how you treated her mother? Like, if you tried to resolve it peacefully and make Benezia see the error of her ways (which you couldn't know that she's subconsciously aware of, of course), Liara will come to you with thanks afterwards, but if you went straight down the "Now you die" path, her next conversation would be more along the lines of "What the hell, you could have at least tried to talk". Not that any of the two would clsoe off the romance possibility, but it would just play out a bit differently.

Special events, they are unclear that they only happen as long as the missions aren't completed in Chapter 1 OR 2, it looks as if they depend on Chapter 1 so maybe clarify that. Also for the Special Event on Rachni Queen, add another option, saying "I'm going to leave you right here and let the Council deal with you", then depending on what you tell the Council, they either free her, or imprison/kill her. If imprisoned she's, for all intents and purposes, out of commission and the story plays out the same way as if you killed her. If freed by Council, she's free but not friendly to Shepard.

Chapter 2 seems a little dicey; the fact that Mars tech seems to have more impact at the ending of ME1, and Venus tech at the beginning of ME 2 is quite a risky thing to put in. I wouldn't be straight out against it, but it needs work. Also, are we having a case of Schrödinger's gun there, with Saren having been at exactly the same base you picked? Or exactly the other? Or will he be at either one, or the other no matter what you pick and you'll run into him, but not catch him, if you picked the "right" one?

I like the general idea behind Chapter 2, but it needs polishing. The possibility of the alliance between Cerberus and Saren is far-fetched. It also makes the Cerberus arc of ME2 much harder to justify, because, even if they resurrected Shepard, (s)he's not likely to forgive them for having allied with Saren in the first game. Nor can (s)he trust them that they're actually trying to work against the Collectors/Reapers.

Well, Chapter 3 is straight forward, not much to do there.

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:45 .


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CptData wrote...

I just want to see a second story arc in ME2 where Shepard never got killed and resurrected by Cerberus, so you can either kill Collectors as Cerberus operative OR as Alliance officer. Base story I have in my mind is similar in both variants, but differs largely from ME2 story we know now.

*cough* less recruiting missions *cough*


This. 

Or have a Mass Effect: Origins style: 

Human Alliance Officer (Soldier, Engineer, Adept, Infiltrator, Sentinel, Vanguard)- male or female
Turian Spectre (Soldier, Engineer, Infiltrator)- male or female
Krogan Mercenary (Soldier, Vanguard, Sentinel)- male only
Asari Agent (Vanguard, Adept, Sentinel)- female (obviously) only
Drell Assassin (Infiltrator, Vanguard, Adept)- male or female
Quarian Exile (Soldier, Engineer, Infiltrator)- male or female

each leads you to working either for the Council or for Cerberus. 

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Rebooting, no matter how well-done, is rarely received well by the fans. And considering the BSN... or on second thought, let's not consider the BSN.

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Arcian wrote...

Rebooting, no matter how well-done, is rarely received well by the fans. And considering the BSN... or on second thought, let's not consider the BSN.


Dunno, it seems to work with the Batman franchise. Okay, I don't wanna see 50 gazillion reboots - just one. One that makes the ME series to what BW might had in their mind while developing the first part of this trilogy.

Of course, I don't know what they had planned in the first weeks of development, but I don't care - this "reboot" is made by a fan for fans. Not more, not less. It's never gonna be happen.:lol:/:crying:

Modifié par CptData, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:41 .


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Arcian wrote...

Rebooting, no matter how well-done, is rarely received well by the fans. And considering the BSN... or on second thought, let's not consider the BSN.


While true, if it's a fan reboot, it's just an alternative history, and not canon. If it's done by fans, the fans won't complain but take it for "what could have happened if a different hand was writing the story".

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Last posting before bedtime (European here):

Vegos wrote...

There's what I consider a mistake in the first chapter, surely you meant if Therum mission is not completed before Chapter 3, not Noveria.


You can skip one of three missions on purpose or on accident when finishing Virmire in chapter 2. In case you never met Liara, she'll be added to your team in chapter 3 to give Shepard the idea about the conduit and Ilos.

I think it works so far.

Also, if you have Liara she's forced into your party for Noveria, that makes sense, but maybe actually tie some dialogue/romance options with her to how you treated her mother? Like, if you tried to resolve it peacefully and make Benezia see the error of her ways (which you couldn't know that she's subconsciously aware of, of course), Liara will come to you with thanks afterwards, but if you went straight down the "Now you die" path, her next conversation would be more along the lines of "What the hell, you could have at least tried to talk". Not that any of the two would clsoe off the romance possibility, but it would just play out a bit differently.


There is a minor story arc I have in my mind dealing with Benezia: if you do the Noveria mission without Liara, you'll have to take down Benezia.
If you have Liara with you that fight will be much easier and you can paragonize Benezia to give up. However, she will not survive.
If you skip Noveria, Benezia will re-appear in the finale mission and get killed by Saren who believes she's the reason why Shepard is still on his trail.

(I didn't add this to the story overview to keep it organized - at least a bit. It's already a mess with all those decisions).

Special events, they are unclear that they only happen as long as the missions aren't completed in Chapter 1 OR 2, it looks as if they depend on Chapter 1 so maybe clarify that. Also for the Special Event on Rachni Queen, add another option, saying "I'm going to leave you right here and let the Council deal with you", then depending on what you tell the Council, they either free her, or imprison/kill her. If imprisoned she's, for all intents and purposes, out of commission and the story plays out the same way as if you killed her. If freed by Council, she's free but not friendly to Shepard.


I think I did that already - but just in case: special events ONLY happen if that particular mission was skipped. Means if you do all three mission, NONE of the special events will happen. If you skipped Noveria, the Noveria special event will happen. If you skipped Therum, then the Therum special event will happen. Since you can skip only one mission only one special event can happen in Chapter 3.

About the Rachni Queen - that additonal option seems to be fine to me. However, you still need to do the Noveria mission AND pick that decision. If you skip the entire mission, the Queen will somehow escape and she won't be friendly towards mankind or Shepard.

Chapter 2 seems a little dicey; the fact that Mars tech seems to have more impact at the ending of ME1, and Venus tech at the beginning of ME 2 is quite a risky thing to put in. I wouldn't be straight out against it, but it needs work. Also, are we having a case of Schrödinger's gun there, with Saren having been at exactly the same base you picked? Or exactly the other? Or will he be at either one, or the other no matter what you pick and you'll run into him, but not catch him, if you picked the "right" one?


Saren was in the base the player picks, but you won't face him. Yes, I'm pulling "Schrödinger's gun" here (I thought it was a cat?!) - but that doesn't really matter for the storyline.
I like the idea you have some decisions that will change the outcome of certain situations later. Lets say you go for Mars Tech - it offers you two options to save the Council instead of only one. So if don't wanna go "paragon" you can pick the neutral option and still save the Council.
Venus Tech offers protection which won't alter the Citadel fight in any way. I like the idea you can avoid Shepard's death in ME2 somehow and take an entirely different route to the same goal - defeating the Collectors.

So lets say if you want to ensure your Shepard does NOT die in ME2 intro, you need to pick Venus Tech. It's also the "paragon" solution - Shepard can go through ME and ME2 as Spectre, Alliance Soldier and paragon person if you want. You also don't get penalized for picking renegade options or an overall neutral path. And if you truly want to become renegade, let Shepard die and do the Cerberus story arc in ME2.

I like the general idea behind Chapter 2, but it needs polishing. The possibility of the alliance between Cerberus and Saren is far-fetched. It also makes the Cerberus arc of ME2 much harder to justify, because, even if they resurrected Shepard, (s)he's not likely to forgive them for having allied with Saren in the first game. Nor can (s)he trust them that they're actually trying to work against the Collectors/Reapers.

Well, Chapter 3 is straight forward, not much to do there.


Yeah, that could need some additional work - true. It's just an overview. I don't have time to make it as detailled as the full ME experience with dialogues, side story arcs and such ... 'though. Hey, there were guys working months and years to make ME happen. I can't do that within 2 days. :lol:

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Yes, it was a cat when it comes to the basics, but "Schrödinger' gun" is basically a mix of Schrödinger's cat and Chekov's gun ;)

Also, I'm glad you found my feedback useful.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:07 .


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So, like, a Reinterpretation of Mass Effect?


(Warning: grimm-dark Mass Effect lies beyond that link. )

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The third option for Virmire has to go, otherwise you turn it into Redcliffe, where a third "golden" option exists and thus invalidates the other options. It's a nice idea, but players will just drop the difficulty and/or save scum their way through even.the toughest gauntlet.

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Replace Hackett.

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Modifié par lobi, 09 novembre 2011 - 01:24 .


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On second thought, let's not reboot Mass Effect. 'Tis a silly idea.

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Interesting restructure. I look forward to your follow up with ME2 and 3.

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aiDvEoN wrote...

The third option for Virmire has to go, otherwise you turn it into Redcliffe, where a third "golden" option exists and thus invalidates the other options. It's a nice idea, but players will just drop the difficulty and/or save scum their way through even.the toughest gauntlet.


The "third Virmire option" is no "golden way" - at least, it's not intented as one.

If you pick the option to save BOTH it's a race against time and it'll be a close one. Imagine the race towards the conduit, but a tad tighter and you'll get my idea. You have to save both or NONE of them lives. Also you'll sacrifice the STG team and Kirrahe to save both.
This option is so hard to get (especially on high difficulties) only few will take the challenge and win. At least that's what I see here - it's no "golden way" but the way where you can lose Kaidan, Ashley AND the STG team including Kirrahe. It's basically a "Kobayashi Maru situation" - you can try it, but you'll most certainly lose. Except you're Captain Kirk or you think like him. Then you'll make it. Barely, but yes.

The other two options (pick Ash or pick Kaidan) offer two outcomes: you can save the one you picked AND the STG team or you save the one you picked and NOT the STG team. The survival of the picked squadmate is guaranteed, you don't need to be fast or need any new tactics than the usual ones. So the "pick one" options are the easy way to get out, the "save both" should be challenging.

DiebytheSword wrote...

Interesting restructure. I look forward to your follow up with ME2 and 3.


ME2 will be "huge" and M3? Hmm, I do have some ideas based on outcome of ME2 + what we saw in the beginning of that beta (which is still a spoiler, but not so a bad one like the "early draft"). However, I won't post ME3-reboot before ME3 release, so it doesn't matter anymore.

Modifié par CptData, 09 novembre 2011 - 07:08 .


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Our dear friend smudboy did one of these for ME2.

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Batboy should do one for ME 1 too. Or is that game too perfect to touch?

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Are you talking about smudboy? He did an analysis of that too. I've got my own ideas for how to re-do ME1. Don't feel like typing them up though.

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I call him batboy. I would love to see his analysis on Skyrim.

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FluffyScarf wrote...

I call him batboy. I would love to see his analysis on Skyrim.


Hmm, don't know if he plans to do that.

In any case, if ME1 was ever re-done Cerberus should have a more prominant role and have their goals explained.

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FluffyScarf wrote...

I call him batboy.


That's unfair to the real Bat Boy:

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Are you talking about smudboy? He did an analysis of that too. I've got my own ideas for how to re-do ME1. Don't feel like typing them up though.


Give it a try - at least for key scenes you wanna change.

Overall I think the story of ME is superb - just a bit short (even with exploring and all assignments) *g*
And I want that "Cerberus Story arc" back. I think I once read BW wanted to add more of Cerberus to ME ...

Saphra Deden wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

I call him batboy. I would love to see his analysis on Skyrim.


Hmm, don't know if he plans to do that.

In any case, if ME1 was ever re-done Cerberus should have a more prominant role and have their goals explained.


... maybe. Maybe not. I don't like the idea you could give away too much info about some stuff. It's like with the "Borg" or the "Force" - as long as you don't understand how they/it work/s and why they/it do/es, they're interesting to watch. You can talk about them/it, try to make own theories and such. But if you reveal why the Borg do what they do or how the Force works they / it become/s boring.

(Sorry for grammar mess)

Modifié par CptData, 09 novembre 2011 - 07:44 .