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[georage]

The toolset. 

[Hey-yadidle]

are you saying it is hard to use...i will agree if so

[georage]

not just that, but you cannot easily change things once you begin. to my knowledge you cannot resize an area once you begin, for example.



and some objects can only be moved by manually changing their location, you can't slide them around using the mouse.



and god help you if you try to make a building!

[Erenz]

I think it's funny how people complain about the toolset not being as easy to use as MS Paint to create a black dot on the screen. This thing is a professional tool and was used to create the game, so what do you expect? It was not meant to be used as a toy by people not knowing their stuff.

[Heptameron]

You do realize that spending programming time in making the toolset intuitive, simple, and yet still as powerful would almost certainly take more time than would be saved in creating the official campaign, right?

[georage]

No, I don't know that. And you don't know it either.



Or do you work for Bioware.



I think it is funny how few real mods will be made with this toolset.

[veryalien]

It took years to make because they started with the NWN engine and then moved onto another one. I think they had one or two false starts before things got set in motion.

[Dot.Shadow]

It took me about 30 minutes to figure out the Starcraft map editor when I was 8-9 years old. I'm 18, almost 19 now. This map editor will take me weeks, if not months to learn if I actually bother.



The map editor could have been made a lot simpler, it really could.

[Gorestain]

Honestly, I was totally unfamiliar with any kind of editing software, yet in the little over a week I've had the toolset, I've already figured out and integrated nearly all of its components in some way. While it's not perhaps EASY, it's certainly logical.



As for not being able to move objects, turn off snap to grid, you can move items freeform, buildings are easily constructed with a careful touch and patience. It's not really that difficult if you have patience enough to learn it. I'm also the least patient person I know and I managed to learn it.

[Sunjammer]

georage wrote...

not just that, but you cannot easily change things once you begin. to my knowledge you cannot resize an area once you begin, for example.

and some objects can only be moved by manually changing their location, you can't slide them around using the mouse.

and god help you if you try to make a building!

Just because you don't know how do something after two weeks doesn't mean it can't be done.

Interior dimensions aren't pre-set so resizing them isn't an issue. Exteriors are made bigger than required and then restricted using the the playable, border and vista boundaries. Set the playable area (green zone) to what you need and export it which will bring your performance back in line with what you'd expect for an area that was created at that smaller size. Then if you need to expand outwards it is then simply a case of redrawing/editing the exportable area settings. For example the Kokari wilds is (if memory serves) is 1024x1024 but only a quarter of that is used.

I haven't found an object in either editor that can't be manipulated with just mouse/keyboard combos (i.e. no need to set it manually) although sometimes you want that extra precision. I suspect a lot of times this issue is caused by having "snap to" turned on and trying to move something less than the "snap to" amount. However if you think you've found something that can't be moved with the mouse let us know so we can investigate/confirm and BioWare can look to fix it.

Modifié par Sunjammer, 23 novembre 2009 - 12:59 .

[1st pharoah]

Well, In my oppinion, I feel we need a voice activated hologram system with neural implants to reinforce our real desires when creating a real game for adults. I feel this genre is still in it's infancy and in about 30-40 yrs we will see an improvement. We will hear questions like "Monitor? wtf is a monitor? Why draw the image when the mind is more efficient to just think it to appear in/on a holo base projector system? Gees, I feel I think so far ahead of this archeac computor world. I guess I'll just have to wait it out.

[kevinwastaken]

1st pharoah wrote...

Well, In my oppinion, I feel we need a voice activated hologram system with neural implants to reinforce our real desires when creating a real game for adults. I feel this genre is still in it's infancy and in about 30-40 yrs we will see an improvement. We will hear questions like "Monitor? wtf is a monitor? Why draw the image when the mind is more efficient to just think it to appear in/on a holo base projector system? Gees, I feel I think so far ahead of this archeac computor world. I guess I'll just have to wait it out.

Wow, you should do standup! Seriously, you're THAT funny.