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[Inprea]

I typically like to go the benevolent/paladin/open palm/paragon path whenever given a choice in games. Now I know these are typically considered the friendly choice but I'm wondering has anyone ever been left feeling a little guilty after taking this choice?

I've actually been put off a bit by it such as during Jacob's loyalty mission in mass effect 2. I honestly wasn't satisfied with letting Jacob's father live and felt I'd somehow wronged his victims by not letting them rip him apart just as he feared.

In a similar line of reasoning I felt bad whenever I didn't push the eclipse mercenary out of the window during the Thane recruitment mission. After what they did to the workers he really deserved to die. I'm thinking I'm going to give Mass Effect two another play through now that I'm thinking about this and be more honest to myself on those choices.

Besides it's not like we lose paragon points for pushing the mercenary out the window. It's just free renegade points.

Modifié par Inprea, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Vegos]

I always pick Samara over Morinth, because it's stupid to pick Morinth.

I always shoot Elnora, because she's a lying b****.

I always headbutt Uvenk on Tuchanka.

I always give Tali a hug when she finds her father's body.
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Bottom line is, playing paragon/renegade is more than just picking every possible option. Sometimes you'll want to go against your preferred alignment in order to keep your character the way you want to keep them.

The ME2 system may bite you for that, but it shouldn't, as long as you're consistent enough and you do the "opposing" actions early enough.

[Adugan]

Zaeed's mission kinda pissed me off. Either you kill a bunch of workers or you make Zaeed hate you because 20 years of his life were wasted. I bet that will have a massive effect in ME3. No pun intended.

[AdmiralCheez]

I felt bad paragoning it a couple times, yeah.

1. Talking to Mordin about the genophage. Shepard seemed unnecessarily mean and didn't try to understand Mordin at all.

2. Rewriting the geth. Mass murder and mass mind control are both ugly, and every time, I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing.

[Vegos]

Adugan wrote...

Zaeed's mission kinda pissed me off. Either you kill a bunch of workers or you make Zaeed hate you because 20 years of his life were wasted. I bet that will have a massive effect in ME3. No pun intended.

Or you can kick some paragon sense into him, complete with saying "You're a badass, Zaeed, but don't forget who you're talking to."

[Ofcoursenot]

for Mainshep, I have never once made a decision based on Paragon/renegade goals. I always make decisions based on what i feel is right.

[Inprea]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I felt bad paragoning it a couple times, yeah.

1. Talking to Mordin about the genophage. Shepard seemed unnecessarily mean and didn't try to understand Mordin at all.

2. Rewriting the geth. Mass murder and mass mind control are both ugly, and every time, I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing.

I agree with one and agree even more strongly with two. I still don't know what one is the truly ethical thing to do. I sort of have to do some ethical loops to make a decision falling into the mind set that if you destroy a person's mind then you have effectively killed them. So if you look at it as forcefully altering someone's mind is the same as killing that person then it switches to.

1. Kill them all.
2. Kill them all but create new life from their death even if that new life may betray you later.

Of course on the other hand two could be seen as.

2. Kill them and create a mockery of their past existance defialing not just their corpse but their very identity. LIke a necromancer.

[Vegos]

jreezy wrote...

Elnora. Shepard sounds so gullible that I just want to punch him

Take Zaeed with you, problem solved. If you miss THAT hint, you don't deserve to punch Shep for being gullible *grin*

But yes, I agree.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:12 .

[capn233]

Yeah some of the paragon stuff to Mordin comes off as a bit strong. But I wouldn't say it made me feel bad exactly.

[Vegos]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That would imply Paragons have a conscience.

Even Renegades have one.

[DiebytheSword]

I rarely do a pure playthrough were I don't do a little of the other side, so to speak.

[Bekkael]

Yes. Some responses that were already mentioned were too harsh for me. Which is why I generally have paragades or renegons.

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That doesn't make any sense, Saphra. It seems like "having a conscience" and being Paragon go hand in hand.

Here, Ambi, listen to this whenever you read a Saph post.

Suddenly, he's a genius.

[Vegos]

Saphra Deden wrote...

There is a difference. A Renegade things about effects of their actions on others where as a Paragon only thinks about how the action makes themselves feel.

So there's only two kinds of people in the world?

[aiDvEoN]

I HATE HATE HATE the paragon dialogues on Mordin's mission. It annoys me even more than the inability to side with the quarians on the geth issue that the paragon dialogues are all judgemental crap. I took a mix of renegade and neutral choices for most of that mission.

Legion's mission runs straight into the problem of geth morality being pink and green rather than black and white. I can't class either decision as paragon or renegade.

The end of Tali's LM made me want to change colour for long enough to give the speech, since I think of Damien Shepard having no tolerance for BS of any sort; I wanted to chew the three stooges out renegade style.

The whole "soul.of our species" crap when I blew the super fun happy indoctrination factory up made me wince. Why can't I tell TIM the truth: that I hate him and his cronies and this way I rob multiple enemies of the toy?

[pfhorlorn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

There is a difference. A Renegade things about effects of their actions on others where as a Paragon only thinks about how the action makes themselves feel.

As a person who tends to play mixed in regards to everything, I disagree. It's not mandated that you think about the effects of your actions as a renegade, either. Going totally paragon is playing an idealistic, peace-and-love buffoon whereas going totally renegade is playing an idealistic, my-boot-in-your-ass and sometimes murderous tool.

Either way, going full one way is silly. It's all about context anyhow: "Should I save the people or kill the terrorist? What works better for everyone?" is different than "Should I push this guy out of a window because I can or walk away?"

[Bekkael]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That doesn't make any sense, Saphra. It seems like "having a conscience" and being Paragon go hand in hand.

Here, Ambi, listen to this whenever you read a Saph post.

Suddenly, he's a genius.

I really like this one better. Good visuals.

[Vegos]

koopaonfire wrote...
Going totally paragon is playing an idealistic, peace-and-love buffoon whereas going totally renegade is playing an idealistic, my-boot-in-your-ass and sometimes murderous tool.

What game are you playing? Most ceirtainly not Mass Effect.