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[Quyk Sylvyr]

In general, I've always seen Paragon not so much for as the "right" choice but moreso "You have the right to what you want. If you completely cross the line I will kill you, but otherwise I'll let you live if the hope that you'll do something positive with your life." Shepard's response to Liara in Shadow Broker says it best. starting at 2:04.

However, I will say the one Paragon response I always disagree with is Shepard on the Recruit Jack mission. When the warden first suggests that he wants to put Shepard in prison because he's valuable, the only Paragon response is to ask about negotiation. I know it's a small number of points, but I can never imagine any of my Shepards offering to negotiate with someone that basically works as a slaver. I usually play as Paragon, but none of my Shepards have chosen that response.

[pfhorlorn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Anyway, since you are talking about Feros. My explanation for the Renegade path there is that Shepard fears the paralysis effect from the grenades won't last long enough. Thus the colonists could get up again after he is passed them (behind enemy lines) and trap his squad in the Thorian chamber. If they shot however at least he knows the threat is gone.

That argument does have some sound underpinning; I'll concede to you here.

[Medhia Nox]

Lying for Tali during the tribunal - I "think" lying is the paragon option.

It's the one thing I would change in my "official" play though.

[Vegos]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Lying for Tali during the tribunal - I "think" lying is the paragon option.

Actually, nothing you said was a lie. The "no evidence" option ended up with you saying "There is no evidence we wish to present". And that was true. Whether you had something or not, you did not wish to present it.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:04 .

[Izhalezan]

Paragading helped me avoid uncomfortable dialogue.

[pfhorlorn]

Vegos wrote...

Actually, nothing you said was a lie. The "no evidence" option ended up with you saying "There is no evidence we wish to present". And that was true. Whether you had something or not, you did not wish to present it.

I liked the renegade speech check for that scene more anyway. "Frak you, admirals. Let's get the fudge out of here."

Modifié par koopaonfire, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[seirhart]

None of the paragon choices made me feel bad, why because for me all of the paragon choices that you can make is ideal for me.

[Vegos]

koopaonfire wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Actually,
nothing you said was a lie. The "no evidence" option ended up with you
saying "There is no evidence we wish to present". And that was
true. Whether you had something or not, you did not wish to present
it.

I liked the renegade speech check for that scene more anyway.
"Frak you, admirals. Let's get the fudge out of here."

Well, SOMEONE had to tell them to go stick it, sooner or later. I think it being a non-fleet-member was actually a better option.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:56 .

[ObserverStatus]

Lets see, I felt bad when I let Shiala and Zhu's Hope's survivors live, because they will surely suffer a fate worse than deathwhen those Thorian spores take root.

I felt bad when I rewrote the heretic Geth, because I did not rewrite the differences that caused them to diverge from the orthodox Geth, and they will now be allowed to spread dangerous thoughts to their brethren.

I felt bad when I let the Rachni live, because cheap Rachni meat is going to completely wipe out the galactic shrimping industry,

And I felt bad when I blew up the base and told off tIM. I think I hurt his feelings.

Modifié par bobobo878, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[TheBlackBaron]

With some Paragon decisions, they don't make me feel bad so much as they just make me feel dumber for having taking them. Even the ones that I can see arguments for (such as blowing up the base - without meta-knowledge of ME3 I still believe keeping it was the right decision at the time, but there are good reasons for destroying it as well) tend to be the subject of some cringe-inducing dialogue on Shep's part.

Mordin's loyalty mission especially is a shining example of Paragon Shep's worst qualities, and almost descends into a parody of the self-righteous tone s/he and some forum goers sometimes take.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[masterp1975]

I actually like that I was uncomfortable with either decision on Legion's loyalty mission. I play as a paragon and destroyed them for the reason stated before in this thread, "I'd rather be destroyed then brain raped."

That was the only real "tough" decision in ME2 for me. I'm hoping there will be more decisions like that in ME3. The type where I don't really like either option, but a difficult choice must be made.

[Vegos]

masterp1975 wrote...
I play as a paragon and destroyed them for the reason stated before in this thread, "I'd rather be destroyed then brain raped."

But, you did the human thing of assuming that's what THEY would want, too, despite not even being the same species as you, much less the same person. You couldn't know.

In my opinion, neither of those choices felt more right or wrong than the other, because I simply do not understand geth well enough to judge.

[111987]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

...such as blowing up the base - without meta-knowledge of ME3 I still believe keeping it was the right decision at the time, but there are good reasons for destroying it as well...

No there aren't.

Paragon Shepard's reasoning was terrible for destroying the base. If he/she said something like "we can't risk indoctrination" it would have been a little better (although I know you'll argue against this point, it still is somewhat of a justification). But what does 'saving the soul of our species' even mean?

[phantomdragoness]

I always hated the paragon choices when talking with Mordin about the Genophage, as some people have stated before. So, I go neutral because Shep is less "OMG YOU'RE A KILLER".

To spare Rana always felt stupid to me, even when I was playing a pure Paragon and let Rana live. Kinda the same with Shiala - I still spare her in some playthroughs.

I still have yet to destroy the Collector Base, though. I'm forcing myself to spare it in my current playthrough, however. Hopefully I'll resist the urge to destroy it this time.

[Afalstein]

I got tired of ragging on Mordin about the genophage thing... I just didn't care about it as much as the game seemed to. That, and getting down on Garrus and Grunt for their somewhat violent characters, they were just too much fun to seriously get after.

But most of the time, Paragon is a natural choice for me. I've even tried to do Renegade a couple times, just to see what it's like, and I can't. I can't be that rude even to virtual people.

[Vegos]

111987 wrote...

Paragon Shepard's reasoning was terrible for destroying the base. If he/she said something like "we can't risk indoctrination" it would have been a little better (although I know you'll argue against this point, it still is somewhat of a justification).

I just pretended that that was what my Shep really meant but TIM wouldn't get it anyway. Besides, we finally got a chance to get back at TIM for setting us up a couple of times. And it WOULD be a good justification. Nobody has ever, EVER come back the same from studying reaper technology. EVER. We don't have a reason to believe that  Cerberus would, do we?

I think BW tried to pull the paragon/renegade on that one more in the way of which one is which as far as the whole "humanity" is concerned.

Modifié par Vegos, 09 novembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[pfhorlorn]

Or maybe Shepard actually meant humanity's sole and the subtitle was incorrect. I hear the soles of children's shoes are integral to the design of anti-indoctrination earmuffs.