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[Augustei]

Question pretty much in title =P, if you place Harrowmont on the throne of Orzammar he dies early in his reign and the assembly continues fighting amongst themselves.. This is not a Bhelen vs Harrowmont thread. But if Harrowmont were to have been placed on the throne and died.. Who dou you think would be Orzammar's next king and who would you want to be?

EDIT: So theres not a bunch of people saying Dwarf Noble, Who do you think would take the throne besides the dwarf noble.. since everyone didn't play a dwarf noble and am curious about who people think the other most likely cantidate would be

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:41 .

[Macropodmum]

I placed Bhelen on the throne my last 2 playthroughs but put Harrowmont on the throne this time round. I'm guessing this will change things in my next playthrough of DA2 especially if he dies. Wouldn't it be fair to assume though that Bhelen would take the throne if Harrowmont died though?

[Pyrawulfe]

IIRC Bhelen attacks you after Harrowmont is crowned and you have to kill him, or maybe I'm wrong and he's just disgraced.

I'm pretty sure there are more Harrowmonts in the family, there's a quest about it in DA2 if Bhelen was crowned. Maybe it would just go to the next in line.

[Macropodmum]

Oh, I remember a fight I just wasn't sure whether he died or not (my 3 year old interupts my cut scenes often)

[megski]

Macropodmum wrote...

I placed Bhelen on the throne my last 2 playthroughs but put Harrowmont on the throne this time round. I'm guessing this will change things in my next playthrough of DA2 especially if he dies. Wouldn't it be fair to assume though that Bhelen would take the throne if Harrowmont died though?

I think that would depend on the assembly's vote and who the deshyrs pick.  

eta:

And I would want my dwarf noble to take over lol.  

Modifié par megski, 09 novembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[AlexXIV]

Very good question. There are many Bhelen supporters around even after the Assembly fight. Either Bhelen survived and probably seizes the throne again. If Harrowmont is silly enough to let him live (Bhelen murdered his own family for the throne, so even suggesting he might bow to Harrowmont is rather naive I guess), or he is dead and most likely another noble, most likely Aeducan, follows Harrowmont. In any case I always kill Bhelen as a lesson that what goes around comes around, karma, etc.

[Gervaise]

Bhelen is killed if you make Harrowmont king but that is not to say he didn't leave any offspring. Since Harrowmont is not a vindictive person, these would no doubt be allowed to live and if a male offspring would be part of the Aeducan house. Harrowmont also has relatives, which is why that dwarf is fleeing assassins if you make Bhelen king. So I would guess the reason for the squabbling in the assembly is that the two factions supporting the relevant houses cannot agree on a successor, just as they couldn't after the original king died. If another noble house through their hat into the ring, that would make for even more conflict. May be that nice little smithcaste girl who wanted to study magic will come up with some really great invention and be made a paragon (inspite of going to the surface) and she will end up ruling. Or can only male dwarves become monarch? Then again, what about someone from the Legion of the Dead, since this was now recognised as a noble house if I remember correctly from the quest you do to get them acknowledged by the Sharperate.
Finally, in Legacy, wasn't it revealed that some ancestor of Varric has connections to royalty in Orzammar? He was wrongly banished for a crime he didn't commit, and the king kept sending soldiers to find him. I'm not much of an expert on dwarves (there are other posters who are), but it may not be beyond the bounds of possibility that Varric might have a claim to the throne as well.

[Forst1999]

No, Varric's family was banished, no claim there (though Varric should rule the known world, no doubt). I don't think Dagna will become a Paragon, the dwarves probably won't value her work that much (and to answer your question, Gervaise, female dwarves can indeed become monarch. If you play a female dwarven noble, Bhelen has to get rid of you just as if you were male).
The first candidate that comes to mind is a Dwarven Noble Warden. Or later his possible child that was adapted into house Harrowmont. Both options have the potential to solve the conflict between the Houses Aeducan and Harrowmont. Otherwise there must be other people who would like to claim the throne, both in Aeducan and Harrowmont. If the house Harrowmont stays in charge, i think that Renvil Harrowmont (on the run and encountered in DAII if Bhelen is king) is a likely candidate. In-game, he seems to be ressourceful enough to survive Bhelen (quite a feat), and for players there would be the nicest contrast between the two choices.
But it might also be that both houses are weakened by the power struggle, and another house throws his hat into the ring. Helmi or Dace seem to be the most powerful.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Question pretty much in title =P, if you place Harrowmont on the throne of Orzammar he dies early in his reign and the assembly continues fighting amongst themselves.. This is not a Bhelen vs Harrowmont thread. But if Harrowmont were to have been placed on the throne and died.. Who dou you think would be Orzammar's next king and who would you want to be?

EDIT: So theres not a bunch of people saying Dwarf Noble, Who do you think would take the throne besides the dwarf noble.. since everyone didn't play a dwarf noble and am curious about who people think the other most likely cantidate would be

I don't choose Harrowmont to become King of Orzammar, but I'd imagine it's possible the Dwarven Noble Warden could be the new King (or at least try to be, if he's still alive), although it may be unlikely because I would imagine a number of families in the Assembly would be fighting for the throne.

[RagingCyclone]

Outside of Bhelen and Harrowmont there are two families that are prominent in both the origins and the Paragon quest, Dace and Helmi. I would surmise that the next king, or queen depending on the assembly, will come from either of those two families. Whether it's Lord Helmi that you meet in Tapsters, or perhaps Lady Dace that you meet before heading to find her father in the Aeducan Thaig.

[Gabey5]

The throne belongs with house Aeuducan

[Jessihatt]

Well Dwarves don't inherit the throne, the last king chooses doesn't he? Or the assembly.
So whoever Harrowmont thought was worthy.

[LobselVith8]

CommanderJessica wrote...

Well Dwarves don't inherit the throne, the last king chooses doesn't he? Or the assembly.
So whoever Harrowmont thought was worthy.

The King can name a successor, but the Assembly has to approve it. This is referenced in the Dwarven Noble Origin, because the Dwarven Noble might be chosen by the Assembly despite his (or her) older brother, Trian, being named as the successor of King Endrin Aeducan.

[Malanek]

The Warden.

[Lisa_H]

I hope he dies soon so my dwarven noble can be Queen Aeducan

[SkittlesKat96]

Next in line probably.

[Augustei]

Thinking about it a bit more, With Harrowmont's failure and with Orzammar society being as such that the dishonour of one can bring dishonour on their whole house I'm thinking the Assembly will not want another member of House Harrowmont on the throne after Pyral Harrowmonts failure.. They'll probably start remembering how great things were under the Aeducans and put Piotin Aeducan on the throne since he seems to be the only Aeducan left at that point.. Unless there are others we haven't even heard of

[Augustei]

Damn nvm.. just discovered he fights the warden and dies if Harrowmont is crowned

[Sajuro]

Tyrion

[IanPolaris]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damn nvm.. just discovered he fights the warden and dies if Harrowmont is crowned

That's only true if the Warden goes back to the provings after the coronation.  Otherwise Piotin Aeducan is very much alive.  Don't forget that Bhelen did have a son by his Casteless Mistress, and might be alive.  I could see the assembly putting "little Endrin" on the throne to cement Assembly power over a child king.

-Polaris

[dragonflight288]

Obviously it's going to be Thorin Aeducan. *wink wink Assembly*

[TEWR]

IanPolaris wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damn nvm.. just discovered he fights the warden and dies if Harrowmont is crowned

That's only true if the Warden goes back to the provings after the coronation.  Otherwise Piotin Aeducan is very much alive.  Don't forget that Bhelen did have a son by his Casteless Mistress, and might be alive.  I could see the assembly putting "little Endrin" on the throne to cement Assembly power over a child king.

-Polaris

This is assuming the Aeducan line isn't disgraced for going against the word of a Paragon because of Bhelen's actions. As XxDeonxX said, the dishonour of one brings disgrace to the whole house -- though this doesn't apply if the dishonored one joins the Legion, but Bhelen was killed so this wasn't a possibility.

Now, assuming this did happen, I can easily see the Dwarven Noble taking the throne. But by the time Harrowmont's dead, Dwarven society has gone so far ass backwards that it would be impossible for the Dwarven Noble to do anything substantial -- like giving the throne more power and not the Assembly -- in the short term before he goes through the Eluvian. At least for Xanthos Aeducan.

Question: Does Golems of Amgarrak say anything about this if a Harrowmont import was used?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

Nobody. Harrowmont's incompetence scared the dwarven people so they'd rather not want someone similar to him in that position, creating the Council of the Stone or Council of the Ancestors (dwarves are unable to think of names without arguing for decades) which serves the exact same purpose as the Assembly: A place for dwarves to argue pointlessly as nobody reaches any conclusion.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[bleetman]

Knowing the dwarves, they'd elect a flipping Dace.

[HiroVoid]

Why do people always talk about elf rebellions, but never about Casteless rebellions?