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[Alex_SM]

I usually played Soldier because I don't trust the IA to be able to kill anyone (because IA is awful). 

I usually restrict the use of powers in NPCs, force them to stay always where I want them, and micromanage everything. It's like it was just me with Guns+Powers.

I feel the soldier to be the spearhead of the squad, and I don't like NPCs to do that. I prefer them to do supporting roles. 

Anyway, I didn't found it in ME2 to be be as overpowered as it was in ME1 in higher levels. I'm playing at this time ME1 on Insanity, in level 57 and it's like the worst balanced game ever. I could  literally stand still in front of the enemies  and they wouldn't be able to kill me. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 10 novembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[AdmiralCheez]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Soldier is best played WITHOUT Adrenaline Rush:



Disclaimer: I did not make that video.

Having Adrenaline Rush and not using it is like buying a racecar and never going faster than 60MPH.  A masterful display of restraint, but it defeats the purpose of having a damn racecar.

[1136342t54_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Soldier is best played WITHOUT Adrenaline Rush:



Disclaimer: I did not make that video.

Having Adrenaline Rush and not using it is like buying a racecar and never going faster than 60MPH.  A masterful display of restraint, but it defeats the purpose of having a damn racecar.

You fool!!! 

The main purpose of having a race car is the coolness factor.

[Yuoaman]

hellcat420 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

my only problem with soldier class is the stupid ammo powers and that worthless adrenaline rush. imo they should have put the ammo types back in to replace the ammo powers and put weapon skills back in for soldier class.

AR is not worthless. Maybe you are too proud to use it, thinking it is cheating?
Ammo powers are better for soldier. They have no cooldowns and soldier's playstyle demands almost continuous firing, since giving him biotics will essentially eliminate the difference it has from other classes.

has nothing to do with pride. i like to have fun when playing games. running around hitting a win button is not fun, its boring to me.

It's just as easy to **** up with AR on as it is with it off. Missing a headshot in AR with a sniper rifle will slow you down for a while. AR makes things easier on you for a short time, it doesn't win the game for you.

[DiebytheSword]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Soldier is best played WITHOUT Adrenaline Rush:



Disclaimer: I did not make that video.

Having Adrenaline Rush and not using it is like buying a racecar and never going faster than 60MPH.  A masterful display of restraint, but it defeats the purpose of having a damn racecar.

I have to agree, it's like using Vanguard without charge and shotgun, or using infiltrator without a sniper rifle or tactical cloak.

Or worse, never using Grunt for aggro as a tank.

[hellcat420]

hellcat420 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

my only problem with soldier class is the stupid ammo powers and that worthless adrenaline rush. imo they should have put the ammo types back in to replace the ammo powers and put weapon skills back in for soldier class.

AR is not worthless. Maybe you are too proud to use it, thinking it is cheating?
Ammo powers are better for soldier. They have no cooldowns and soldier's playstyle demands almost continuous firing, since giving him biotics will essentially eliminate the difference it has from other classes.

has nothing to do with pride. i like to have fun when playing games. running around hitting a win button is not fun, its boring to me.

I played my first plythrough on hardcore without using AR even once and I made it through somehow. Tried the same thing at insanity, but without AR, you are slowed down a lot at some places and can easily get killed in some places where there isn't lot of space for maneuverability, like in the long walk when the scion and the husks attack. If you cleared that stuff at insanity without AR once, then I would say you are a neat player.

i used ar once to see exactly what it did. never touched it again.  if you play soldier and need to use any powers other than incendary ammo you are doing it wrong!!!!

[Someone With Mass]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Engineer looks much better and im liking the turret and drone. Do we get a turret like the Cerberus combat engineer?

Sadly, no.

Our turret gets a flamethrower/rocket launcher and Cryo/Disruptor Ammo, though. And a pulse to keep enemies away with.

Suck it, Cerberus Combat Engineer.

[BlaCKRodjj]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

my only problem with soldier class is the stupid ammo powers and that worthless adrenaline rush. imo they should have put the ammo types back in to replace the ammo powers and put weapon skills back in for soldier class.

1. Adrenaline Rush is not worthless.  Much like the Sentinel's Tech Armor, it's "push this button to become a god."

2. Ammo powers are actually pretty sweet, and I like them as powers more than I liked them as mods.  Still miss some of the ammo types (Sledgehammer and High-Explosive), but you've obviously never rolled with Squad Cryo.  Even on insanity, it offers ridiculous amounts of crowd control.

3. As far as I know, Marksman and Carnage are back, only now they apply to whatever weapon you're using instead of just one type.  Since headshots do bonus damage now, Assassination would be redundant, and Adrenaline Rush coupled with the thermal clip mechanic makes Overkill irrelevant.

(What's this?  A smart, literate person rolls soldier?  Ye gods, is it even possible?)

Also, concussive shot now carries the effect of your ammo power, so it makes the soldier a guddam beast

[AdmiralCheez]

hellcat420 wrote...

i used ar once to see exactly what it did. never touched it again.  if you play soldier and need to use any powers other than incendary ammo you are doing it wrong!!!!

Not even Squad Cryo?  But that's my favorite!

Seriously, dude, just because you don't like AR doesn't mean you're better than everyone else.  This is very much a Coke/Pepsi argument.

PS: They taste best mixed together.  I tried it the other day in the cafeteria and I was like DUDE THIS IS AMAZING.

[BDelacroix]

Its not a MMO so it really doesn't matter in the end.

[Ohei]

jreezy wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

robarcool wrote...
Soldeir is not special. That is its speciality!

That's the thing, though.

Why use this:



When I can use this:

Incinerating pimp slap? Hard to beat it.

Wow, this game looks seriously good.
I am wondering if the FPS will be as smooth as the first gif when using the omniblade.  Because, dang.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Ummm, everyone could use any weapon in ME, and the soldier didn't even have AR then... and it was easily the best class in the game(well, the infiltrator could bet it, but it was only marginally better).

[hellcat420]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

i used ar once to see exactly what it did. never touched it again.  if you play soldier and need to use any powers other than incendary ammo you are doing it wrong!!!!

Not even Squad Cryo?  But that's my favorite!

Seriously, dude, just because you don't like AR doesn't mean you're better than everyone else.  This is very much a Coke/Pepsi argument.

PS: They taste best mixed together.  I tried it the other day in the cafeteria and I was like DUDE THIS IS AMAZING.

use what you like, it has nothing to do wiht me being better than anyone else.  im just stating my opinion that 90% of the soldier class abilities are stupid(overpowered and unnecessary) and they could be replaced wiht some more fun(and less powerful) abilities and skills.

[Someone With Mass]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Ummm, everyone could use any weapon in ME, and the soldier didn't even have AR then... and it was easily the best class in the game(well, the infiltrator could bet it, but it was only marginally better).

The problem then was that you had to spend like ten points in Sniper Rifles to get rid of that annoying wobbling.

[DiebytheSword]

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

my only problem with soldier class is the stupid ammo powers and that worthless adrenaline rush. imo they should have put the ammo types back in to replace the ammo powers and put weapon skills back in for soldier class.

1. Adrenaline Rush is not worthless.  Much like the Sentinel's Tech Armor, it's "push this button to become a god."

2. Ammo powers are actually pretty sweet, and I like them as powers more than I liked them as mods.  Still miss some of the ammo types (Sledgehammer and High-Explosive), but you've obviously never rolled with Squad Cryo.  Even on insanity, it offers ridiculous amounts of crowd control.

3. As far as I know, Marksman and Carnage are back, only now they apply to whatever weapon you're using instead of just one type.  Since headshots do bonus damage now, Assassination would be redundant, and Adrenaline Rush coupled with the thermal clip mechanic makes Overkill irrelevant.

(What's this?  A smart, literate person rolls soldier?  Ye gods, is it even possible?)

Also, concussive shot now carries the effect of your ammo power, so it makes the soldier a guddam beast

That's a sexy peice of information I did not have before.

Concussive cryo?  Yes please.  Tungsten Concussive shot would be . . . odd though.

As an addendum, I prefer to mix my ammo powers.  Zaeed with disruptor to shred shields, followed by an overload from Garrus or warp from Miranda, followed by a fully leveled Tungsten round to the head from the Widow during adrenaline rush.

People pay the price.

[AVPen]

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Also, concussive shot now carries the effect of your ammo power, so it makes the soldier a guddam beast

Actually, that brings up a question that hasn't yet been asked about Concussive Shot - is the carryover effect from the selected Ammo Power onto CS an automatic effect of the power or does it require an upgraded Rank Evolution first?
(I know for the final 6th Rank of CS, one of the evolutions is called Amplification which sort of sounds like that could be a Ammo Power carryover effect, although no one knows what either of the final 6th Rank evolutions do for sure yet)

Modifié par AVPen, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Ofcoursenot]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

hellcat420 wrote...

i used ar once to see exactly what it did. never touched it again.  if you play soldier and need to use any powers other than incendary ammo you are doing it wrong!!!!

Not even Squad Cryo?  But that's my favorite!

Seriously, dude, just because you don't like AR doesn't mean you're better than everyone else.  This is very much a Coke/Pepsi argument.

PS: They taste best mixed together.  I tried it the other day in the cafeteria and I was like DUDE THIS IS AMAZING.

ADHD much, Cheez? XD

And squad cryo is fun, but nowhere near as hilariously OP as squad chemi in ME1. Enemies just melt left and right.
That, and running incindiaries in ME1 with Liara's skill points distributed mostly to lift and singularity. Baddies just float up as they disintegrate...

[Homey C-Dawg]

Someone With Mass wrote...

robarcool wrote...
Soldeir is not special. That is its speciality!

That's the thing, though.

Why use this:

<epic punch snip>

When I can use this:

<nuther epic punch snip>

They both look really cool to me tbh.

[robarcool]

Someone With Mass wrote...

robarcool wrote...
Soldeir is not special. That is its speciality!

That's the thing, though.

Why use this:



When I can use this:

No problem! You think that a is good class class to play and I think soldier is a good class to play.

[AdmiralCheez]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Tungsten Concussive shot would be . . . odd though.

I imagine it'd be like hitting someone with a cannonball.

[robarcool]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Tungsten Concussive shot would be . . . odd though.

I imagine it'd be like hitting someone with a cannonball.

You know what, it would be even odder if devs add a metallic sound to the tungsten concussive shot!

Modifié par robarcool, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:15 .