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[Nyreen]

(Major endgame spoilers below)

So, was I the only one who thought Meredith acts out of character when she leaves Hawke to decide Anders' fate? Not trying to start an argument with David Gaider, (tried that before, and wow did he burn me good. P.S. If he's reading this: I still wish you had written Anders! /whinyspoiledfan), but Meredith does not seem the sort who would delegate in that situation. That Chantry was her domain - the Templars are the military order of the Chantry - so wasn't it her responsibility to defend it?

Honestly, when the destruction cutscene ended I expected Anders' head to be chopped off before Hawke could blink an eye. Instead he's left squatting on a random crate. (Nitpicking: Why a crate, Bioware? Why not the steps that were five feet away?)

Meredith's only expressed reason for leaving the decision to Hawke is that "He's your companion". While I'm glad the decision to kill Anders is our own, (considering how few decisions we have that make any real impact whatsoever), I don't see why the Knight-Commander, who leaps at the opportunity to abuse and virtually lobotomize mages, would overlook the chance to kill the very mage who blew up the Chantry.

[WhiteKnyght]

Probably because she expects Hawke to do it for her.

She didn't start battling until she had to.

[TJPags]

Yea, pretty much makes absolutely no sense at all.

Would have been MUCH more realistic for her to kill Anders, then go after the Circle on charges of consipracy with him.

[AlexXIV]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Probably because she expects Hawke to do it for her.

She didn't start battling until she had to.

She had to? That's new.

To the OP. Yes it was stupid. But since everyone is, nobody noticed.

[Nyreen]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Probably because she expects Hawke to do it for her.

She didn't start battling until she had to.

She had to? That's new.

To the OP. Yes it was stupid. But since everyone is, nobody noticed.

Yeah, that explains why I didn't notice until months after beating the game.

[Alyka]

Hawke went into the Deep Roads and found his/her way out after being trapped in a room, killed the Arishok,has friends in the guard,contacts through the coterie,and a sister in the circle/brother in the templars or Grey Wardens.So Meredith is probably cautious not to ****** Hawke off too much by executing his or her companion of six years.At that point, Meredith is not completely consumed by the lyrium idol sword.She seems to still have some of her sanity.

[Malanek]

I thought Meredith did demand he be killed? Then she pulled back to gather reinforcements? Maybe my memory is failing.

[TJPags]

Alyka wrote...

Hawke went into the Deep Roads and found his/her way out after being trapped in a room, killed the Arishok,has friends in the guard,contacts through the coterie,and a sister in the circle/brother in the templars or Grey Wardens.So Meredith is probably cautious not to ****** Hawke off too much by executing his or her companion of six years.At that point, Meredith is not completely consumed by the lyrium idol sword.She seems to still have some of her sanity.

And Meredith was the de facto ruler of Kirkwall, and Anders admitted to a criminal act in front of witnesses, including the Captain of the Guard and a noble from Starkhaven.

It's not pissing someone off when you arrest or summarily execute an admitted murderer.

[Arthur Cousland]

Cullen mentions at the beginning of Act 2 that Meredith has changed in the past 3 years, so I'm assuming that her "lyrium saber" didn't take long to have an effect on her.

I was also somewhat shocked when Meredith let Hawke decide what to do with Bethany, when 5 minutes later, she demands Hawke's execution and turns on her own templars.

I don't think Meredith would lose any sleep over making Hawke upset.

[DreamerM]

Because the Plot Said So.

[Loain]

It only seams out of character if you assume she hates every mage and wants them all dead, which she might. She also might want to go back to the Gallows and sing show tunes in the courtyard. She's kind of under a lot of stress at that moment, what with watching the Chantry go boom boom; being tainted by the worst Deep Roads souvenir ever and being a witch with a capital B. Her actions don't need to make logical sense to us so long as they make sense in her mind.
Killing Anders would've been great fun and all but considering Kirkwall was about to become Kirkrubble she needed to focus on the bigger picture. Leaving Anders for Hawke to 'deal with' also ensures Hawke's loyalty.

The "box of shame" was awesome and was necessary to be able to literally stab Anders in the back. Awkwardly standing on the stairs then climbing them just to turn around and stab him would've looked odd.

Modifié par Loain, 10 novembre 2011 - 09:12 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I haven't watched the scene since I played it but wasn't she in a rush to get going and gather her forces?

I just recall her telling you to decide his fate or to get rid of him then she just rushes off or something.

[Fylimar]

Like I wrote in another thread: I think, Meredith primal goal was to get rid of Orsino, who openly opposed her - she wasn't very happy, that Elthina demanded that he'd be spared. And, if Hawke sided with the mages and opposed her throughout Act 3, she probably wants to get rid of the Champion, too (it sounded so in my case - my Hawke was very rude to Meredith after she forced her to look after the three runaway mages)
Who wants the already broken apostate when she can get the whole Circle?

[Arthur Cousland]

Meredith also turns on the templars after Cullen refuses to execute Hawke. She's not just upset, or having a bad day. Elthina's death removed the one obstacle that kept Meredith from taking out Orsino, which she wanted to do for a long time.

Calling for the rite of annulment was also unneccessary, when it wasn't exactly being overrun with abominations who were threatening to get out. Anders blows up the chantry, and so all mages must die. The whole "the people will demand retribution and I will give it to them" is b.s.

[Joy Divison]

Very out of character.

[Gabey5]

either he would die by hawke's hand or he would die with the other mages


either way he would die if she succeeded

[Zjarcal]

I agree that it would've been more fitting for her to kill him right there, BUT... since this scenario only occurs when you side with the Templars, meaning that you have agreed to execute every mage in the city, I guess it stands to reason that she really thinks you're going to kill him. She's probably more like "I'm in a rush, you do it". Not that killing someone would take that long...

Yeah, not exactly a satisfying explanation but it has some merit in my opinion.

[whykikyouwhy]

Isn't is possible that Meredith leaving the killing of either Anders of Bethany to Hawke is a bit of a test? Sure, Hawke may have already sided with the templars from the get-go, but now it's the final battle, the grand face-off of the two forces. Putting that decision/act in Hawke's hands would ensure Hawke's allegiance, in Meredith's eyes and possibly those of other templars - if the Champion is so stoic and strident in his/her convictions as to kill a companion or sibling, then this is indeed the true cause, no?

That would seem the likely justification, in my mind, and therefore not at all out of character.

[Mr.House]

She does not care about him at all. People seem to forget one thing. Meredith wanted this Right of Annulment. Talk to the Templars in the Gallows. She wants it, she craves it, she is obsessed with it. The only person who is in the way of it is Elthina. Anders killed her thus letting Meredith at last doing the thing she craved. She didn't care that Elthina died, they never got along. So no, I don't see it OOC.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's not really OOC considering how she's pretty much established as an incompetent idiot throughout.

[rak72]

^ lol

[blaidfiste]

Mr.House wrote...

She does not care about him at all. People seem to forget one thing. Meredith wanted this Right of Annulment. Talk to the Templars in the Gallows. She wants it, she craves it, she is obsessed with it. The only person who is in the way of it is Elthina. Anders killed her thus letting Meredith at last doing the thing she craved. She didn't care that Elthina died, they never got along. So no, I don't see it OOC.

It's her way of thanking Anders. 

[MKDAWUSS]

Much about that final quest contains idiotic decisions and out-of-character moments. It was a chain of satisfying plot conditions. Little more.

[Northern Sun]

Mr.House wrote...

She does not care about him at all. People seem to forget one thing. Meredith wanted this Right of Annulment. Talk to the Templars in the Gallows. She wants it, she craves it, she is obsessed with it. The only person who is in the way of it is Elthina. Anders killed her thus letting Meredith at last doing the thing she craved. She didn't care that Elthina died, they never got along. So no, I don't see it OOC.

Agreed, she doesn't care about Anders because his actions have finally allowed her to carry out her mage-killing fetish.

[Gervaise]

Considering Sebastian points out to her that they shouldn't be debating the Rite of Anulment when the real culprit is sitting right there and Meredith totally ignores him as well, I think it's fairly obvious that it makes little difference to Meredith what you do to Anders. He's given her what she wanted.

What I would have like to have seen was a showdown between Meredith and transformed Anders, glowing eyes and everything but then that would have meant revealing too soon about the sword and have made Hawke totally superfluous. As it was Justice took a total back seat throughout the Last Straw which was a pity as there were time when the raging spirit thing would have really come in handy while defending the mages.