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[DoNotIngest]

Maybe before I saw the leak.

[Alanosborn1991]

Why did this thread get stickied?

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Common knowledge?

Normal people tend to be more cooperative when they're not tortured.

Okay, so where is this all powerful human biotic? Why didn't we recruit her/him instead of Jack? Is it maybe because... just maybe... this person doesn't exist?

She does.  She was unavailable and in hiding.  In fact that's why Cerberus earned the ire of the Migrant Fleet.  She was being hidden by the Quarians for a while and Cerberus took direct action against the largest fleet in the galaxy......

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

She does.  She was unavailable and in hiding.
-Polaris

lol

Gillian was created through "gentle" or "nice" means at all. She also would be a tad young to serve on Shepard's squad.

How old do you have to be to be an engine of raw destruction as the most poweful human biotic?

-Polaris

[Yuoaman]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

She does.  She was unavailable and in hiding.
-Polaris

lol

Gillian was not created through "gentle" or "nice" means at all. She also would be a tad young to serve on Shepard's squad.

I don't know, she seemed rather unnaffected by all the **** she went through - and she actually got a teacher who gave a **** about her.

[AdmiralCheez]

IanPolaris wrote...

For Paragon Sheps, sure.  For many Renegade Sheps, I don't think this is true.  They want to defeat the Reapers by any means necessary, and if that means TIM's solution, I don't think many Renegade SHeps would lose a minute's worth of sleep over it.

-Polaris

But the Renegade's goal is still that of the hero: defeat the Reapers and save the galaxy.  This is true for alll Shepards, regardless of how you play.  TIM's goal is always power.

And TIM's the one that sees Shepard as an obstacle to his goals.  TIM doesn't pull the "join me" crap until his back's against the wall and he's out of options (I think).

To be honest, I'd welcome the opportunity to side with Cerberus, screw over the aliens, and win the war TIM's way (even though I'd never take it).  But that would mean two completely different games with completely different missions.  For the same reason, we were forced to work with Cerberus in ME2 and with the Council/Alliance in ME1.

[raziel1980]

Bekkael wrote...

Hell to the no. I hated being railroaded into it in ME2, and can't wait to be out of their grasp in ME3.

Agreed!

Bolded: ROTFLMAO! and QFT1

And seriously after Horizon AND the collector ship mission ALL of my shepards even the renegades( whm I mostly play as) DESPISED TIM more than they did at the beginning of the game and wanted to put their foots in his ass then aka I can't wait to personally put a bullet between TIM's eyes in ME 3. :devil::devil:

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

How old do you have to be to be an engine of raw destruction as the most poweful human biotic?

-Polaris

Old enough to have a driver's license.

Why?  There are capable units of soldiers right now (usually in africa) that are too young to shave let alone hold driver's licenses.  I don't approve of such things in the slightest but you don't have to be very old to kill and kill very effectively (child soldiers are as old as civilization itself).

-Polaris

[Quole]

Lol no.

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Somehow I think that if TIM recommended you take a little girl and use her for you SUICIDE MISSION you'd all hate him even more.

So what?  I don't think TIM would care.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Why?  There are capable units of soldiers right now (usually in africa) that are too young to shave let alone hold driver's licenses.  I don't approve of such things in the slightest but you don't have to be very old to kill and kill very effectively (child soldiers are as old as civilization itself).

-Polaris

So what point are you attempting to make with this?

I am pointing out what kind of moral monster TIM is even if his reasoning is sometimes correct (even a painted clock is right twice a day).  Such a person wouldn't hesitate to kill a child if it meant accomplishing the mission.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  Bear in mind that emotionally, Jack/SZ is also still an extremely damaged little girl at least emotionally.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 11 novembre 2011 - 06:14 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Another assumption.

Is there any evidence to suggest TIM tried the more humane way first?

In fact, apart from the Lis there any Cerberus project that wasn't inherently destructive?

Someone being many people? Yes.

So you advocate the slaughter of Native Americans because the land and resources gained made the United States an agricultural and industrial powerhouse?

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

So you advocate the slaughter of Native Americans because the land and resources gained made the United States an agricultural and industrial powerhouse?

Yes I do.

Conversation closed I think.  A person that really thinks this has their moral compass aligned so differently from the rest of us that I don't think a reasonable discusion of ethics is possible.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 11 novembre 2011 - 06:17 .

[Cypher0020]

In the immortal words of Sten..........

No.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TIM's goal would save the galaxy too. It's the same as Shepard's goal. Renegade Shepard has always been human first.

TIM doesn't give two sh*ts about the galaxy as a whole.  He doesn't even care about humanity as a whole--only the parts that fund and support him.  He'd wipe out the majority of humanity to make it "stronger."