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[Naamah_bb]

No friggin way!

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...

I'm going to use your logic here and say that Grayson breaking free would have happened regardless sooner or later, turians+A or no turians+A. That the turians and Anderson were involved was just fortunate since Cerberus would hardly have been able to contain the situation themselves.

You came to this conclusion how considering Grayson wasn't nearly the threat at that point that he would be later and TIM ordered his imminent termination?

If you are walking with a bowl of hot soup and I break into your house and run into you whose fault is it that you dropped the bowl of soup?

I suppose Project Overlord was Shepard's fault then since he had the bad manners to actually inhibit Cereberus' best weapon against the Geth.  Never mind "David" would have killed everyone else and wrecked all other civilizations along with it......

Yeah, really good logic there.

-Polaris

[Homebound]

id rather not work with cerberus. half the time they dont even know what theyre doing. not to mention they are more or less a pretty shady criminal organization of sorts.

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I suppose Project Overlord was Shepard's fault then since he had the bad manners to actually inhibit Cereberus' best weapon against the Geth.
-Polaris

No, I'd blame Dr. Archer for that.

Dr Archer was working with TIM's blessing and TIM makes it very clear that he approves of the overall idea once the safety protocols are reeximined.

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face.  Every. Damn. One.  There is no reason to think that Grayson would be any different esp given how powerful the Reapers are and how powerful they can make their selected agents (see Saren).

-Polaris

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

No.
Because I don't want to be indoctrinated/milkshakified/any of the other unpleasant things that Cerberus seems to want.

Besides it looks like killing Cerberus pukes will be fun.

[IanPolaris]

Cerberus doesn't know the meaning of reasonable precautions.

-Polaris

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Peaceful galaxy?

Good luck having a peaceful galaxy when you've got everybody studying Reaper corpses and learning how to indoctrinate and destroy each other.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 novembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[didymos1120]

IanPolaris wrote...

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face.  Every. Damn. One. 

Um, no.  The SR-2 didn't directly involve Shepard.  Nor did the creation EDI.  You may also want to consult the Shadow Broker dossiers.

[IanPolaris]

didymos1120 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face.  Every. Damn. One. 

Um, no.  The SR-2 didn't directly involve Shepard.  Nor did the creation EDI.  You may also want to consult the Shadow Broker dossiers.

The SR-2 was built to give to Shepard so he could fight the collector.  It most certainly does directly involve Shepard.  Same with EDI.

-Polaris

[GodWood]

Saphra Deden wrote...
I cant wait to see how Bioware explains this not happening in future games. Most likely they'll just ignore the implications of thousands of dead Reapers littering the galaxy.

All the races will join hands and destroy the 'evil technology' because they don't want to sacrifice their humanity.

IanPolaris wrote...
The SR-2 was built to give to Shepard so he could fight the collector.  It most certainly does directly involve Shepard.  Same with EDI.

-Polaris

Because Cerberus gave Shepard the SR2 and EDI their creation can not be considered a successful project?

What kind of ****ed up logic is that?

Modifié par GodWood, 11 novembre 2011 - 11:56 .

[didymos1120]

IanPolaris wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face.  Every. Damn. One. 

Um, no.  The SR-2 didn't directly involve Shepard.  Nor did the creation EDI.  You may also want to consult the Shadow Broker dossiers.

The SR-2 was built to give to Shepard so he could fight the collector.  It most certainly does directly involve Shepard.  Same with EDI.

-Polaris

Neither of those was completed because of Shepard's involvement, and thus, no: Shepard was not "directly involved". Shepard was, at best, indirectly involved (mostly because Shepard was kind of, you know, dead at the time). 

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Dr Archer was working with TIM's blessing and TIM makes it very clear that he approves of the overall idea once the safety protocols are reeximined.

The whole idea is sound so what is your point? The idea of Overlord isn't what  caused the accident. It was Dr. Archer's overconfidence and impatience, like Rael'Zorah.

The whole idea was so sound that he virtually destroyed all galactic civilization.  This wasn't mere impatience.  There seems to be fundamental and serious problems integreating an organic mind with a VI network.  An idiot should have seen the possibity of "David" let alone Dr Archer....and the Illusive Man did approve of the project.

IanPolaris wrote...

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face. 
-Polaris

No, that is not true. You want to try with a list again? AdmiralCheez did that and I countered just about every one.

The only real failures on Cerberus' part is the rachni experiments and Teltin.

Overlord was taken care of (with or without Shepard).

Without Shepard, all galactic civilization dies.

The derelict Reaper operation succeeded.

If that's a success I'd hate to see what you'd call a failure.....

The experiments on Grayson were going fine and ultimately produced useful data in spite of the turians and Anderson doing everything in their power to screw it up.

And of course the Super-Powerful Grayson/Reaper puppet could never break or defeat Cerberus security....oh wait.....

The experiments on the husks and thorian creepers were wrecked by Shepard before anything could be produced (that we know of anyway).

The husks destroyed the entire colony that was supposed to be studying them.  Not a good result.  As for the Thorian, that also was an utter failure.

I could go on and on.

Do tell.....

-Polaris

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Nope, I'd take the Lazarus Cell to the Alliance. Miranda and all.

[IanPolaris]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Peaceful galaxy?

Good luck having a peaceful galaxy when you've got everybody studying Reaper corpses and learning how to indoctrinate and destroy each other.

I cant wait to see how Bioware explains this not happening in future games. Most likely they'll just ignore the implications of thousands of dead Reapers littering the galaxy.

That depends on how the Reapers are defeated.  It's at least feasible that the way to defeat the Reapers is to somehow terminate all their integral programs (and Reapers are actually communities of AI programs).  If those processes are terminated it's reasonable to think that the indoctrination process is as well.

-Polaris

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...


The experiments on Grayson were going fine and ultimately produced useful data in spite of the turians and Anderson doing everything in their power to screw it up.

This is kind of a mischaracterization.  They weren't even aware of what was going on with Grayson until they saw him, so it's not like screwing up that project in particular was one of their goals.

[didymos1120]

IanPolaris wrote...

 As for the Thorian, that also was an utter failure.

As for the Thorian, that wasn't Cerberus.  It was Exo-Geni (and that includes the overrun colony).  Cerberus just bought a couple creepers to study: you see them on the assignment where you find Kahoku's corpse.

[Dave of Canada]

IanPolaris wrote...

There seems to be fundamental and serious problems integreating an organic mind with a VI network.  An idiot should have seen the possibity of "David" let alone Dr Archer....

Except it was successful.

and the Illusive Man did approve of the project.

Except he was shutting it down due to lack of progress, forcing Gavin to react with David.

Without Shepard, all galactic civilization dies.

Without Cerberus, Shepard is dead.

If that's a success I'd hate to see what you'd call a failure.....

Something that doesn't get results.

And of course the Super-Powerful Grayson/Reaper puppet could never break or defeat Cerberus security....oh wait.....

Grayson didn't kill a single Cerberus operative.

The husks destroyed the entire colony that was supposed to be studying them.  Not a good result.  As for the Thorian, that also was an utter failure.

Husks weren't Cerberus, Cerberus created the husks to study.
The Thorian wasn't Cerberus.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 novembre 2011 - 12:03 .