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[Killjoy Cutter]

Lizardviking wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Let's kill babies to unlock biotic potential!  What could possibly go wrong?

Let's see if we can use husks and Thorian creepers for slave labor!  What could possibly go wrong?

Let's give this Grayson guy Reaper implants!  What could possibly go wrong?

Those were hardly reckless.

I have multiple playthroughs of ME1 and ME2 full of evidence to the contrary. 

Really?

Teltin was cruel. But worst case scenario was simply the place getting destroyed and some messed up kids with biotics escaping. Hardly something that would cause the end of the galaxy or Cerberus.

The other two were simply experiments ruined because an outside force decided to intervine.

Your copy of ME1 must be different, did you get the pre-Cerberus version? 

In the ME1 and ME2 I installed and played, every Cerberus project blows up in their face. 

Creepers escape, all die, much embarasment.

Everyone husked, all die, much embarasment.

Rachni escape, all die, much embarasment.

Biotic kids rebel, scientists killed, facility lost, much embarasment.

AI goes rogue when autistic savant hooked up, all die, project fails, much embarasment.

Reaper maw experiment exposed, courts and media start investigating, much embarasment.


Etcetera...

Etcetera...

Etcetera.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Your copy of ME1 must be different, did you get the pre-Cerberus version? 

Never said their projects suceeded. Just that those three were not reckless.

That something fails does not mean that the things were reckless actions.

[IanPolaris]

Lizardviking wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Your copy of ME1 must be different, did you get the pre-Cerberus version? 

Never said their projects suceeded. Just that those three were not reckless.

That something fails does not mean that the things were reckless actions.

Considering that the Rachni nearly wiped out all other civilzations nearly 2000 years ago and needed the massive numbers and power of the newly uplifted Krogan to defeat them (and it's well known the Rachni were intelligent), I'd say treating them like animals and trying to use them for shock troops is more than a little reckless.

-Polaris

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

TIM doesn't give two sh*ts about the galaxy as a whole.

Why should he? Humanity is what matters to him. That's fine by me.

You conveniently snipped the other fact Cheez pointed out:  "He doesn't even care about humanity as a whole--only the parts that fund and support him.  He'd wipe out the majority of humanity to make it "stronger.""

[Kaiser Shepard]

Why is this stickied?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lizardviking wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Your copy of ME1 must be different, did you get the pre-Cerberus version? 

Never said their projects suceeded. Just that those three were not reckless.

That something fails does not mean that the things were reckless actions.

And never mind that most of their failures are due to their recklessness, their general disregard or even disdain for carefully considered progression, their absolute lack of ethics and moderation? 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 novembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Why is this stickied?

Why do people keep spamming that meaningless question?

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Re: Cerberus and success/failure in general, I think the problem a lot of my fellow non-Cerberus fans have is that they just go "High casualty count? FAIL!" Well, that's your criterion, not theirs. Cerberus has very different ideas about what does and does not constitute "acceptable losses". A full-team wipe is entirely acceptable to Cerberus in many (if not most) circumstances. Case in point: the "Shepard dies" ending.

And that's one of Cerberus' major faults.

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Why is this stickied?

Why do people keep spamming that meaningless question?

Just a guess, but they probably want to know why this is stickied.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Dr Archer was working with TIM's blessing and TIM makes it very clear that he approves of the overall idea once the safety protocols are reeximined.

The whole idea is sound so what is your point? The idea of Overlord isn't what  caused the accident. It was Dr. Archer's overconfidence and impatience, like Rael'Zorah.

IanPolaris wrote...

The point is that every Cerberus project that doesn't directly involve Shep blows up in TIM's face. 
-Polaris

No, that is not true. You want to try with a list again? AdmiralCheez did that and I countered just about every one.

The only real failures on Cerberus' part is the rachni experiments and Teltin.

Overlord was taken care of (with or without Shepard).

The derelict Reaper operation succeeded.

The experiments on Grayson were going fine and ultimately produced useful data in spite of the turians and Anderson doing everything in their power to screw it up.

The experiments on the husks and thorian creepers were wrecked by Shepard before anything could be produced (that we know of anyway).

I could go on and on.

The experiments with the creepers, husks, and rachni had already gone pear-shaped and failed when Shep came across each of them.  It is not a successful experiement when your latest pet "weapon" goes out of control and kills everyone involved.

[AresXX7]

No.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You conveniently snipped the other fact Cheez pointed out:  "He doesn't even care about humanity as a whole--only the parts that fund and support him.  He'd wipe out the majority of humanity to make it "stronger.""

I snipped that part because it was just Cheez making baseless assumptions again.

Nothing baseless or assumed about it.  TIM's past actions have clearly shown that he considers every other being in the galaxy simply part of his overall cost-benefit equation, to be expended without a second thought if it gets him what he wants.

[didymos1120]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

  TIM's past actions have clearly shown that he considers every other being in the galaxy simply part of his overall cost-benefit equation, to be expended without a second thought if it gets him what he wants.

What actions demonsrate this?

Not like it matters, because we know he has second thoughts, from time to time at least, thanks to his POVs in Retribution.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The experiments with the creepers, husks, and rachni had already gone pear-shaped and failed when Shep came across each of them.

No, that didn't happen. You don't know what you're talking about son. The only case where that is true is with the rachni. The others were just fine.

Sounds like you don't bother with side missions in ME1, then, if you never came across the research stations where the personel had been killed by creepers they lost control of, or where the personel had been husked or killed by husks, or where the rachni had escaped containment and killed everyone...

[didymos1120]

Christ. For the nth time: the creepers were Exo-Geni, not Cerberus. They just bought a couple to study, which you see locked up behind a barrier when looking for Kahoku.

[Dave of Canada]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sounds like you don't bother with side missions in ME1, then, if you never came across the research stations where the personel had been killed by creepers they lost control of, or where the personel had been husked or killed by husks, or where the rachni had escaped containment and killed everyone...

That never happened, the only time Cerberus deals with husks or creepers in person is when they're studying them and you kill the staff. They "failed" because you went in and shot them up, not because their experiment went free.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 11 novembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[Alexius]

I'm all in for the uniforms, but I get the feeling they're keeping something from you around 99.99% of the times. I think I'll pass.

[Yuoaman]

Reaper maw experiment exposed, courts and media start investigating, much embarasment.

What are you talking about?

The fact that you can have Toombs testify against Cerberus scientists about the thresher maw experiments and it becomes public knowledge?

[Yuoaman]

(Dear god, a husk made from a thresher maw would be horrific.)

And I think having information from the experiment made public and having the Alliance investigating kind of mitigates any success.