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[sponge56]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Haha. Pretty naive view of things.

Jack's choice was to join the squad or die on Purgatory.
Grunt's choice was to join or get vented.
Garrus's choice was to join or get overrun on Omega.
Tali's choice was to join or starve out in a bunker.

Indeed, tough choices to make.

your point is?

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

David is a victim, but not a senseless one.

I concur (barely...), not senseless...but much more could have been accomplished without David losing it and going rogue if David and his abilities had been worked with not forced....Yes, Gavin does mention the pressure he was under for results from tIM, so pushed as hard as he could...But then that leads to our other discussion on tIM's impatience and how it affects the work and knowledge that could have been achieved in a number of his operations.

[Golden Owl]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Haha. Pretty naive view of things.

Jack's choice was to join the squad or die on Purgatory.
Grunt's choice was to join or get vented.
Garrus's choice was to join or get overrun on Omega.
Tali's choice was to join or starve out in a bunker.

Indeed, tough choices to make.

Naive?...No, I just don't like suffering fools...many of the squad are fools.

As for Jack's, Garrus's and Tali's recruitment...I can't imagine even uber Renegade Shep being such a cad that he wouldn't just drop them off at the nearest space port...it would be counter productive for him to enforce recruitment also, enforced recruitment doesn't encourage even the most basic loyalty from another AND could well endanger Sheps mission...he needs them working of their own free wills for him, he has to be able to rely on them.

[Volus Warlord]

sponge56 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Haha. Pretty naive view of things.

Jack's choice was to join the squad or die on Purgatory.
Grunt's choice was to join or get vented.
Garrus's choice was to join or get overrun on Omega.
Tali's choice was to join or starve out in a bunker.

Indeed, tough choices to make.

your point is?

My point is they are not choices. Join or suffer(and die). You may have well have blackmailed them by holding their children at gunpoint for the same effect.

[IanPolaris]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Haha. Pretty naive view of things.

Jack's choice was to join the squad or die on Purgatory.

Not entirely.  If Jack insisted on being let off at the next port, I don't think Miranda would have minded.  Jack makes it very clear (at least at first) that she is trading her services for information...and that means she is there by choice.  Jack would be the first to say so probably on order of, " (profanity) you, if I didn't want to be here, I would have taken over the ship and we'd be history."  Mind you I don't think Jack would have any hope of doing that, but don't tell her that.

Grunt's choice was to join or get vented.

Grunt was given a choice even for Renegade Ships.  The Venting part was if Grunt decides to try to kill Shepard (which can happen).

Garrus's choice was to join or get overrun on Omega.

Again we don't see it explicitly, but Garrus is Shepard's old friend.  If Garrus didn't want to be there, he could say so.  Garrus rather explicitly (and with no prompting from Shepard) volunteers.

Tali's choice was to join or starve out in a bunker.

Not true.  The Quarian ship was undamaged and the Geth had been defeated and the coast was clear.  Kal Reeger even says this explicitly when Shepard offers to airlift him off Haelstrom.  Tali had a clear choice and she could have gone with Kal Reeger if she choose.  She choose to stick with Shepard.

-Polaris

[Golden Owl]

IanPolaris wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Haha. Pretty naive view of things.

Jack's choice was to join the squad or die on Purgatory.

Not entirely.  If Jack insisted on being let off at the next port, I don't think Miranda would have minded.  Jack makes it very clear (at least at first) that she is trading her services for information...and that means she is there by choice.  Jack would be the first to say so probably on order of, " (profanity) you, if I didn't want to be here, I would have taken over the ship and we'd be history."  Mind you I don't think Jack would have any hope of doing that, but don't tell her that.

Grunt's choice was to join or get vented.

Grunt was given a choice even for Renegade Ships.  The Venting part was if Grunt decides to try to kill Shepard (which can happen).

Garrus's choice was to join or get overrun on Omega.

Again we don't see it explicitly, but Garrus is Shepard's old friend.  If Garrus didn't want to be there, he could say so.  Garrus rather explicitly (and with no prompting from Shepard) volunteers.

Tali's choice was to join or starve out in a bunker.

Not true.  The Quarian ship was undamaged and the Geth had been defeated and the coast was clear.  Kal Reeger even says this explicitly when Shepard offers to airlift him off Haelstrom.  Tali had a clear choice and she could have gone with Kal Reeger if she choose.  She choose to stick with Shepard.

-Polaris

Thank you Ian...good write up.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

blah blah blah (paraphrasing)

Evidently the block function, like much of BSN's forum "functionality", does absolutely nothing.  Good to know. 

Too bad, would have been nice to filter out the trolling.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 novembre 2011 - 03:40 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Yawn. I think it's funny how hard Bioware tries to discredit Cerberus.

You say that as if Cerberus were a real organization that Bioware were engaged in a smear campaign against, as opposed to part of the ME setting and story that Bioware is writing... if Bioware writes that Cerberus is a sloppy, pathetic, yet throughly evil organization largely comprised of sociopaths and fools, then Cerberus IS a sloppy, pathetic, yet throughly evil organization largely comprised of sociopaths and fools. 

And since ME1, that's exactly what Cerberus has been depicted as.  Lazarus, EDI, and Normandy as shown in ME2 are the only thing Cerberus has ever done that were both even remotely successful and not cartoonishly evil. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The block function prevents people from viewing your profile or sending you PM's. It doesn't hide posts.

I was really, really hoping it worked like an "ignore" function. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Yawn. I think it's funny how hard Bioware tries to discredit Cerberus.

They really go overboard in ME3.

Bioware or Cerberus?

Is is the same old "it's ugly, so it's evil" bull**** like Overlord?

Clarify please?...

To make Cerberus look as evil as possible, they had a pic of this dude hooked up to a machine at the end of Overlord that looked atrocious. It's ugly, so it's wrong. No other rationale to call what Cerberus did in Overlord "wrong" other than the end results weren't aesthetically pleasing.

You really think that's why people are bothered by what Dr Archer did to his brother?    You don't see any other reason why someone would call what was done there wrong? 

Wow.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 novembre 2011 - 03:53 .

[Yuoaman]

Yes, it wasn't forcing an autistic mind to communicate with millions of geth minds at lightspeed or anything. That was just a side effect of him looking ugly while hooked up. THE HELL.

[Yuoaman]

Why? Shepard can communicate with the geth just fine through Legion - keeping David hooked up serves no useful purpose.

[Yuoaman]

Not really. They're a nonviolent species generally.

[BlueMagitek]

Except for all the murder.

[Yuoaman]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for all the murder.

1. The heretics don't count, they're core beliefs were entirely different.

2. They retaliated against the original push to destroy them and then promptly stayed beyond the Perseus Veil.

[Yuoaman]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Not really. They're a nonviolent species generally.

What the other guy said.

The geth are unpredictable. They need to be destroyed or controlled.

The most reasonable species needs to either be destroyed or controlled. Makes sense.

[BlueMagitek]

Yuoaman wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for all the murder.

1. The heretics don't count, they're core beliefs were entirely different.

2. They retaliated against the original push to destroy them and then promptly stayed beyond the Perseus Veil.

The "True" Geth were just as willing to let all the organics die.
The "True" Geth killed anyone who came beyond the Veil, every single time (if they were discovered).

They may not be expansionist, but they aren't peaceful by any means.

[Yuoaman]

jreezy wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for all the murder.

1. The heretics don't count, they're core beliefs were entirely different.

2. They retaliated against the original push to destroy them and then promptly stayed beyond the Perseus Veil.

Legion never said that.

He said they were seperate. You don't blame the British for everything the Americans and Canadians do.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for all the murder.

1. The heretics don't count, they're core beliefs were entirely different.

2. They retaliated against the original push to destroy them and then promptly stayed beyond the Perseus Veil.

The "True" Geth were just as willing to let all the organics die.
The "True" Geth killed anyone who came beyond the Veil, every single time (if they were discovered).

They may not be expansionist, but they aren't peaceful by any means.

Considering all of the fear in the galaxy about AIs it would make perfect sense for the geth to want to remain unnoticed.