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[jbblue05]

LOL@ people calling Cerberus a terrorist organization, when Shepard him/herself committed the largest terrorist crime since the Rachni Wars

[Killjoy Cutter]

What terrorist crime was that?

[SNascimento]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

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Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

[Costin_Razvan]

The Arrival DLC. Can it be justified? Oh sure as hell, but it's still 300.000 people dead, most of whom weren't even Batarians but Batarian prisoners.

Whatever Cerberus did I am quite certain they aren't responsible for mass murder...yet.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:28 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

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Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

And if Shep doesn't do that, what happens to every Batarian in that system when the Reapers take it?

Actually, that's rhetorical.  Every Batarian in that system is dead no matter what Shep does. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:30 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Doesn't change the fact Shepard murdered 300.000 people.

[jbblue05]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The Arrival DLC. Can it be justified? Oh sure as hell, but it's still 300.000 people dead, most of whom weren't even Batarians but Batarian prisoners.

Whatever Cerberus did I am quite certain they aren't responsible for mass murder...yet.

Don't forget all the life within the entire star system

[didymos1120]

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

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Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

Not that that would make that assertion make any sense.  Shepard:

a. Didn't have a choice.  Well, not one that ended up with those people staying alive, in any case.
b. Didn't do it to spread terror for the purpose of advancing some ideological/political agenda.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Doesn't change the fact Shepard murdered 300.000 people.

Every Batarian in the system was dead no matter what Shep did. 

Would you have Shep hasten the doom of trillions for the sake of "clean" hands, while the 300,000 he spares all die anyway? 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[jbblue05]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

.
Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

And if Shep doesn't do that, what happens to every Batarian in that system when the Reapers take it?

Actually, that's rhetorical.  Every Batarian in that system is dead no matter what Shep does. 

you can't confirm that Kenson and her group were all indoctrinated they easily could've mislead Shepard to turn the Galaxxy aginsst him/her and each other to make their invasion that much easier

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

Don't forget all the life within the entire star system

What life?  Some bacteria?  Aratoht was the only world with a biosphere (and one that was heavily modified by the batarians).

[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

.
Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

Not that that would make that assertion make any sense.  Shepard:

a. Didn't have a choice.  Well, not one that ended up with those people staying alive, in any case.
b. Didn't do it to spread terror for the purpose of advancing some ideological/political agenda.

Shepard is showing the Galaxy that the Reapers are real and is willingly to do whatever it takes to stop them

[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Don't forget all the life within the entire Star System

What life?  Some bacteria?  Aratoht was the only world with a biosphere (and one that was heavily modified by the batarians).

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

you can't confirm that Kenson and her group were all indoctrinated they easily could've mislead Shepard to turn the Galaxxy aginsst him/her and each other to make their invasion that much easier

Yes, and I can't confirm it all wasn't a trick played by an Invisible Pink Unicorn either.  Irrelevant.  The evidence we have is what matters, and it's solidly against your ad-hoc hypothesis.

[Siegdrifa]

jbblue05 wrote...

LOL@ people calling Cerberus a terrorist organization, when Shepard him/herself committed the largest terrorist crime since the Rachni Wars

Just so you know, "terrorist" intend to use terror in order to get what they want and to force their way among other, because usualy "terrorist" are a very smal minority (very noisy and dangerous though).

The arrival and system destruction was not a terrorist act, since there was no terrorist motive behind it.

[Costin_Razvan]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Doesn't change the fact Shepard murdered 300.000 people.

Every Batarian in the system was dead no matter what Shep did. 

Would you have Shep hasten the doom of trillions for the sake of "clean" hands, while the 300,000 he spares all die anyway? 

How does the motive change the fact it was genocide? It doesn't and it wasn't what I was saying.

I just don't pretend that what Shepard did there can be labeled as anything else then mass murder/genocide.

 Just so you know, "terrorist" intend to use terror in order to get what they want and to force their way among other, because usualy "terrorist" are a very smal minority (very noisy and dangerous though).

Terrorism is an act carried out by a small group of individuals with the intent of making political changes. Not something Shepard or even TIM did. I don't see TIM blowing up buildings or killing civilians on the street. I see TIM doing experiments on aliens and using a spy network to try and gain a political hold in Citadel Space, that's not terrorism.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:39 .

[Adanu]

Depends on their goal in ME3. Research always carries an element of risk just from the nature of what it is, yet we never complain about it because people are stupid and don't bother to think that 'safety' means nothing since you *cannot account for the unknown*.

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Don't forget all the life within the entire Star System

What life?  Some bacteria?  Aratoht was the only world with a biosphere (and one that was heavily modified by the batarians).

Yes, which would be the Bahak system, not the entire cluster.  So, again: just Aratoht.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

.
Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

And if Shep doesn't do that, what happens to every Batarian in that system when the Reapers take it?

Actually, that's rhetorical.  Every Batarian in that system is dead no matter what Shep does. 

you can't confirm that Kenson and her group were all indoctrinated they easily could've mislead Shepard to turn the Galaxxy aginsst him/her and each other to make their invasion that much easier

LoL.

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

.
Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

Not that that would make that assertion make any sense.  Shepard:

a. Didn't have a choice.  Well, not one that ended up with those people staying alive, in any case.
b. Didn't do it to spread terror for the purpose of advancing some ideological/political agenda.

Shepard is showing the Galaxy that the Reapers are real and is willingly to do whatever it takes to stop them

Not why Shepard did it.  It was done solely to slow them down. If you want to pretend that's why your Shep did it, fine.  There's no in-game evidence that supports the notion, however.

[CroGamer002]

SPOILER ALERT!!!


According to leaked ME3 Beta script, you can join Cerberus and Illusive Man later on to defeat Reapers and save Earth.

[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

you can't confirm that Kenson and her group were all indoctrinated they easily could've mislead Shepard to turn the Galaxxy aginsst him/her and each other to make their invasion that much easier

Yes, and I can't confirm it all wasn't a trick played by an Invisible Pink Unicorn either.  Irrelevant.  The evidence we have is what matters, and it's solidly against your ad-hoc hypothesis.

The Reapers never needed the Alpha Relay they are hitting multiple systems by the time they attack Earth.  Your evidence is Kenson's team thinks the Alpha Relay is pivotal in the Reaper Invasion it turns out it wasn't reallly needed

[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What terrorist crime was that?

.
Probably the destruction of the batarian relay. 

Not that that would make that assertion make any sense.  Shepard:

a. Didn't have a choice.  Well, not one that ended up with those people staying alive, in any case.
b. Didn't do it to spread terror for the purpose of advancing some ideological/political agenda.

Shepard is showing the Galaxy that the Reapers are real and is willingly to do whatever it takes to stop them

Not why Shepard did it.  It was done solely to slow them down. If you want to pretend that's why your Shep did it, fine.  There's no in-game evidence that supports the notion, however.

SHepard's main goal is to prove the Reapers exist 

[string3r]

No, because Cerberus is run by a complete moron.