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[jbblue05]

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Don't forget all the life within the entire Star System

What life?  Some bacteria?  Aratoht was the only world with a biosphere (and one that was heavily modified by the batarians).

Yes, which would be the Bahak system, not the entire cluster.  So, again: just Aratoht.

Star sytems are clusters of solar systems

[Killjoy Cutter]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Doesn't change the fact Shepard murdered 300.000 people.

Every Batarian in the system was dead no matter what Shep did. 

Would you have Shep hasten the doom of trillions for the sake of "clean" hands, while the 300,000 he spares all die anyway? 

How does the motive change the fact it was genocide? It doesn't and it wasn't what I was saying.

I just don't pretend that what Shepard did there can be labeled as anything else then mass murder/genocide.

Motive and intent are actually core to the definition of genocide.  Unless Shep specifically did it with the primary and direct intent of wiping out every Batarian in the system, it's not an act of genocide. 

In fact, the opposite is true, if you decided to try to warn the Batarians. 

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

you can't confirm that Kenson and her group were all indoctrinated they easily could've mislead Shepard to turn the Galaxxy aginsst him/her and each other to make their invasion that much easier

Yes, and I can't confirm it all wasn't a trick played by an Invisible Pink Unicorn either.  Irrelevant.  The evidence we have is what matters, and it's solidly against your ad-hoc hypothesis.

The Reapers never needed the Alpha Relay they are hitting multiple systems by the time they attack Earth.  Your evidence is Kenson's team thinks the Alpha Relay is pivotal in the Reaper Invasion it turns out it wasn't reallly needed

My evidence is everything in the DLC.  Yours is...some crap you just made up.  And no one here is claiming it was ever going to stop the Reapers dead in their tracks, invasion over.  It was made quite clear that it just bought the rest of the galaxy some time.

Modifié par didymos1120, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Siegdrifa]

jbblue05 wrote...

SHepard's main goal is to prove the Reapers exist 

No, it's to defeat the reapers to proctect the galaxy as much as possible.

If his main goal was to prove that the reapers was real, then ME3 would last onle a few minute, just before the reapers arrive on earth.

"Shepard, you were right ! help us ! the reapers are here !"

"No, my task is over, they are real, i have accomplish my main goal, see ya !".

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 10 novembre 2011 - 06:05 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

jbblue05 wrote...

Star sytems are clusters of solar systems

Sol is a specifical star.

The solar system is a specific example of a star system.

A star system a specific star and its associated bodies.  It only includes multiple stars if it is a binary or trinary system, with multiple stars in a mutual orbital relationship. 

[didymos1120]

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Don't forget all the life within the entire Star System

What life?  Some bacteria?  Aratoht was the only world with a biosphere (and one that was heavily modified by the batarians).

Yes, which would be the Bahak system, not the entire cluster.  So, again: just Aratoht.

Star sytems are clusters of solar systems

Pay attention to the actual dialogue please.  It's made quite clear that only the Bahak system will be destroyed. Also, you're wrong.  "Star system" has two senses.  In technical usage, it refers not to "clusters of solar systems" (and, BTW, "solar system" properly refers only to our own system), but rather to small numbers of stars which orbit one another.  Whether or not they also have planets is irrelevant.  In colloquial usage (which is by far the most common), it means the same thing as "planetary system", and that's how it was being used in Arrival.

ETA: Oh, and also, I'm pretty sure if Shep had just killed a bunch of other people and/or ruined some additional garden worlds, the dialogue just might have mentioned that little fact.

Modifié par didymos1120, 10 novembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[Lyriel25]

Nope.

Ends do not justify the means. I have always been, and remain, loyal to the Alliance (and to the Galaxy as a Spectre). My time with Cerberus was not voluntary, and I don't trust them any more than I did before it. I hated being railroaded into not only working in their uniform but defending it (through lack of other dialogue choices if nothing else). I've done what I had to, and that's the end of it. My Sheps are all Paragons, and at the moment none of them would hesitate to rid the worlds of T.I.M. if it was within their power.

[BloodShot_M]

After seeing what they did in the novels, I would work for them if they brought me back from the dead again.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

SNascimento wrote...

I would. Cerberus is just too awesome with their new army and resources. I would much prefer to be leading that army than the alliance's (or any other races' for that matter) forces. And I really liked working for them in ME2, although I don't agree with some of their methods, for once, what they did with Jack was wrong. It would be more complicated if it turned out that their new technologies were strongly tied with theirs unethic experiments. 
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Of course, that brings this huge question of where Cerberus got those stuff and why they seens to be working with the reapers. To answer this, let's just say the Illusive man tells you you will have to trust him.
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What would you do?

No, I wouldn't.
I don't like what Cerberus represents.

They were intel and helping to pay for the sucide mission in Mass Effect 2,  and that was all, as far as my Sheaprds were concerned. 

[Cmdr. Pwn]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cmdr. Pwn wrote...
Their new experiments are even worse than what they did to Jack.  In the last book "Mass Effect: Retribution" which is set after the events of ME 2, TIM tortures a cerberus operative by implanting him with modified Reaper technology.
Not to mention the horrific experiments on that autistic kid in the overlord DLC....

All worth it.

Then why don't you join the reapers?
Cause I'm sure that the sacrifice they does are all well worth it too on a more global scale...

Dave of Canada is indoctrinated.

[Skypezee]

While Cerberus do act and get the job done, their ethics as well as how they handle things via cutting corners and seeing certain people as collateral damage in order to achieve their goals really turns me off. Too many times have they experimented and studied things that could very easily destroy the galaxy (Rouge VI? Thorians? Wanting to mess with Reaper and Geth technology? Anyone? Hello?)

[SNascimento]

Updated my topic with some ideas that I said I would post here.

[Kekkis]

Too many mad scientists. I prefer not to be killed by some stupid experiment. And those ideologies with "greater good" will only create huge piles of human corpses.

[Someone With Mass]

*Spoiler*If that detail of the script in the beta is true, then Cerberus is fighting to control the Reapers. Which is very entertainingly stupid, since they can barely control other races.*Spoiler*

^That's the ultimate reason why I won't work with those clowns anymore. They've out-stupid themselves.

[Lyriel25]

SNascimento wrote...

Updated my topic with some ideas that I said I would post here.

Having just read your additions, I find it unlikely I would work well with you .

I do not subscribe to the theory that a single species must rule, or that it is even advantageous that one do so. Diversity allows for more points of view and ways of thinking, which leads to better problem-solving capabilities and less stagnation (among other benefits, tangible and intangible). My Shepards are not speciesists.

The argument that the Protheans must have done some extermination to become the single species dominating the galaxy during their time is neither based in any evidence (of which I am aware), nor is it a good case for thinking single species domination is a Good Thing. Perhaps it was their very lack of differing species' points of view that prevented them from stopping the Reapers rather than merely screwing up their next shot sufficiently that we have the opportunity to end them. One species = blind spots that aren't countered by others.

As for humanity being the "logical" choice for dominance, I am sure if you were an asari you'd think differently... All species have their strengths and their weaknesses. Ideally, our short-sighted tendencies could be tempered by the asari's longer view, our curiosity educated by the salarian's scientific methods, our arrogance mitigated by the turian's honor, and so forth. Working together we are stronger than the sum of our parts.

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I'd have to pass on the extended Cerberus membership.

Orange and white just aren't my colors.

But there's no pink organization.

[The Baconer]

No.

[Alamar2078]

I have one or two sheps [out of a planned 10 or so] that would use Cerberus as an asset. They don't especially have any real loyalty to Cerberus but are pragmatic enough to understand that having extra assets in a war should be a "good" thing.

Also those Sheps don't mind fighting dirty and someone has to do the dirty work ....

[Ultai]

I wouldn't be on their payroll, but I wouldn't mind their continued existence.

[Kentuckan]

I would grudgingly work with them if they proved to be a useful asset against the reapers. (Which is partly how I rationalized working with them in ME2 despite being a sole survivor.)

[Schneidend]

My Shepard certainly would. He's an ends-justify-the-means kinda guy. His mission is to safeguard the whole of galactic society, and whether he has to purge colonies of their infected inhabitants, obliterate entire star systems, or boil alien hivequeens in acid, it gets done.

Would "I" work for Cerberus? I'm hardly qualified to fight Lovecraftian spaceship gods, but I guess I could write some good old-fashioned propaganda. I could write one of those sorts of political books that get bumped on the Daily Show or Colbert Report about how Cerberus merely fills the same role for humanity as the salarians' STG, or something. Get a nice, fat check from TIM, further the cause of humanity, and foster intergalactic intellectual debate, all in one fell swoop.

[JamieCOTC]

My canon Shep, no. That said, if Cerberus were the only game in town (as in ME2) she would team up w/ them again, but she'd hate it. That's pretty much the way I rolled her in ME2 anyway.

I do have a couple of Shepards who look past their history and work w/ them as best as they can. One of my Sheps, however, is fine w/ working w/ Cerberus and even agrees w/ their methods. Then again, she killed Wrex.

[Mr.House]

No.

[CptBomBom00]

NO, I would never work with Cerberus again, even if they would promise , my Shepard, whole world, he would like"I show you a finger and you give a phone".something like that, I haven't watched Matrix in long time, oh well tonight is Matrix night.

[Gabey5]

i don't like being under the illusive man's thumb. The fact that he holds back info like shepard is some kind of puppet is unsettling, i do not trust him and cannot trust his motivations.