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[heiveldboy]

Hi I'm new to these forums, so forgive me if this has been discussed before

But I do have a question: From whom did Hawke learn blood magic? I have been thinking about it a lot and I really wonder

In Dragon age Origins you had the chance to see how the warden learns blood magic: he makes a deal with the desire demon that for some strange reason (and luckily for him) doesn't involve his own soul

However in DA 2 no mention is made about how he learns blood magic: s/he goes level 7 or 14 and you suddenly can  become a blood mage, spirit healer or force mage with no real explanation about how s/he becomes it.

But there are some possible npc's who might have been able to teach him/her:

Malcolm Hawke: very unlikely, it is mentioned that he hates or doesn't approve of the use of blood magic and that his own use of blood magic was to save Leandra from Larius (even though his word might have been 'empty',  Malcolm still believed it) Besides it would have made it very hard to hide from the templars in Lothering if they started practicing blood magic (even though in Kirkwall they're completely oblivious to it)

A demon: also very unlikely, since that this demon would probably have no other contract with a child mage and probably would want to have Hawke's body and mind, making a Hawke abomination (that would be quite the sight). Hawke could have made a deal and then just killed the demon, but that seems unlikely... especially if Hawke has a good/diplomatic personality

A Blood Mage in Kirkwall: also unlikely, every blood mage would see Hawke as a threat to his/her power and would probably prefer to control or kill him then to teach him. Not to mention Hawke does make a decent amount of enemies during his time in Kirkwall

Merrill: This seem most likely to me. Merrill, for starters, already knows blood magic when Hawke meets her. She doesn't see blood magic as evil and she has the time to teach him/her . I think she would be willing to teach him/her if s/he asked (or persuaded her), especially if Hawke was romancing her or used his/her puppy eyes

any thoughts?

P.S.: I know it's not only the blood magic spec, but this one has been on my mind the most

[PseudoEthnic]

It would be cool if Merrill was the one to teach Hawke blood magic. As it is now though, all the class specializations are just meaningless story-wise.

[Knight of Dane]

Any guessing is valid, there is never given any reasoning for any specialization in the game.

[heiveldboy]

yeah, I know and that's why we're having this discussion

[Heidenreich]

A Blood Mage Hawke could have learned it from just about anywhere. From Malcolm, Merrill, Tarohne, from the books scattered all over kirkwall, from another mage within the Red Iron or Athenril's smugglers.

In fact, if you watch the trailer for the game, Default trailer Hawke is a blood mage. The Arishok cuts him, and he uses his own blood (and smears it on his nose like a weirdo) to fuel his magic.

[Knight of Dane]

Well, if it should have a explanation lore-wise, i would say that s/he learned the BM during Athenril's employ, since Hawke by gameplay mechanics won't be a BM before lvl7, aka. In act 1.

[thats1evildude]

Hawke can become a blood mage before meeting Merrill.

[heiveldboy]

@ Thats1evildude: true, but to me she seems to be the most logical choice

@ Heidenreich: I don't know about that: Hawke didn't have that much of an opportunity to learn Blood Mage from Tarohne, since s/he killed her after about 5 minutes. As I said before Malcolm wouldn't have taught it, he was against Blood Magic and something as blood magic would be easy to notice by the templars. s/he could have taught it from the red iron or from the smugglers, if there were any to begin with, but I don't think there would have been any blood mages (even the assassins and smugglers must have standards no). But this does seem a logical explanation. Same goes for the books, but I usually destroy those to fight the demon

[LobselVith8]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

It would be cool if Merrill was the one to teach Hawke blood magic. As it is now though, all the class specializations are just meaningless story-wise.

The only acknowledgement to Hawke being a blood mage is visually seeing Hawke use blood magic against the High Dragon in Act III, and Merrill asks Hawke (if he's a Spirit Healer) to heal Pol. That said, I imagine it would make sense if Merrill taught Hawke blood magic.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

It would be cool if Merrill was the one to teach Hawke blood magic. As it is now though, all the class specializations are just meaningless story-wise.

The only acknowledgement to Hawke being a blood mage is visually seeing Hawke use blood magic against the High Dragon in Act III, and Merrill asks Hawke (if he's a Spirit Healer) to heal Pol. That said, I imagine it would make sense if Merrill taught Hawke blood magic.

Actually, being a Spirit healer has nothing to do with it. I wasn't one but Merrill still asked me to heal Pol. It's because Hawke is a mage I think, not because of his specialization.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 novembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[heiveldboy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It's probably because she doesn't have a heal spell herself... that always was an annoying thing... but nobody is perfect, she trades the creation line for her cuteness and shyness Not to mention powerful blood magic

LobselVith8 wrote...

He does? I've never seen him using blood magic against the dragon, might have to recheck that

PseudoEthnic wrote...

It would be cool if Merrill was the one to teach Hawke blood magic. As it is now though, all the class specializations are just meaningless story-wise.

The only acknowledgement to Hawke being a blood mage is visually seeing Hawke use blood magic against the High Dragon in Act III, and Merrill asks Hawke (if he's a Spirit Healer) to heal Pol. That said, I imagine it would make sense if Merrill taught Hawke blood magic.

Actually, being a Spirit healer has nothing to do with it. I wasn't one but Merrill still asked me to heal Pol. It's because Hawke is a mage I think, not because of his specialization.

[heiveldboy]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

maybe it is basic magical Instinct, Hawke sees alot of blood mages in the free marches, maybe when he/she sees a blood mage he just picks up the talents with a click of a finger

too bad he doesn't do this always then, it might be useful to learn some Saarebas magic

[DrFumb1ezX]

Heidenreich wrote...

In fact, if you watch the trailer for the game, Default trailer Hawke is a blood mage. The Arishok cuts him, and he uses his own blood (and smears it on his nose like a weirdo) to fuel his magic.

 Not blood.

[Gervaise]

Funnily enough I was going to do a run through with a Hawke who becomes a blood mage and my logic was going to be that he learnt it from Merrill. It does seem the most likely way, although the blood mage tree does differ from Merrill's own specialisation, so may be Hawke starts off learning from Merrill and then picks up other ideas from the various encounters and books found during the game. I definitely don't think he would learn it from Malcolm as he was ashamed he had been forced to use it and I believe Bethany is also anti-blood magic. Doesn't she have some issue with Merrill, in the nicest possible way?

[JoeLaTurkey]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Anders: So, when you first did blood magic, it was... just an accident, right?

Anders: You cut yourself and realized the power? You didn't actually deal with a demon?

My understanding is that Hawke discovered Blood Magic independently (like Anders mentioned) and gradually learned various skills from the numerous sources in Kirkwall and the Free Marches.

It can't be all from Merrill since full Blood Mage Hawke is a significantly more powerful Blood Mage (Blood Splatter) than Merrill. I imagine they teach each other.

Wryme (Pride Demon in the Fade) tempting Merrill: "Whatever tricks your little pet (Hawke) has taught you (Merrill) will pale in comparison."

I smell a kinky fanfic...

[blaidfiste]

I'll rule out Merrill since I doubt she will teach Hawke, Sacrifice, Grave Robber and Blood Slave. I pretend to learn Blood Magic from Torpal.

[blaidfiste]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

It would be cool if Merrill was the one to teach Hawke blood magic. As it is now though, all the class specializations are just meaningless story-wise.

The only acknowledgement to Hawke being a blood mage is visually seeing Hawke use blood magic against the High Dragon in Act III, and Merrill asks Hawke (if he's a Spirit Healer) to heal Pol. That said, I imagine it would make sense if Merrill taught Hawke blood magic.

Actually, being a Spirit healer has nothing to do with it. I wasn't one but Merrill still asked me to heal Pol. It's because Hawke is a mage I think, not because of his specialization.

Yeah Hawke has access to the Creation tree, which she doesn't.  If mage Hawke and Anders are there, she'd default to Anders.  "You can heal him can't you Anders?  You can heal anything/"  Poor Merrill.  

[Spartansfan8888]

Wherever you imagine your Hawke to learn it; that's where they learn it. I think that's why specializations don't have to be unlocked this time around; like in Origins no one really wanted to sell Connor just to be a blood mage they would just do the deed to get the spec and then never pick that story choice.

[blaidfiste]

double post

Modifié par blaidfiste, 10 novembre 2011 - 11:53 .

[heiveldboy]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

It can't be all from Merrill since full Blood Mage Hawke is a significantly more powerful Blood Mage (Blood Splatter) than Merrill. I imagine they teach each other.

Wryme (Pride Demon in the Fade) tempting Merrill: "Whatever tricks your little pet (Hawke) has taught you (Merrill) will pale in comparison."

I smell a kinky fanfic...

Please, feel free to use this idea. I in general don't write fanfics rated above T. Too much pressure for exellence there. :-)

This does smell like something I could write, but I'm too perverted and might take it a step too far

[heiveldboy]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Anders: So, when you first did blood magic, it was... just an accident, right?

Anders: You cut yourself and realized the power? You didn't actually deal with a demon?

My understanding is that Hawke discovered Blood Magic independently (like Anders mentioned) and gradually learned various skills from the numerous sources in Kirkwall and the Free Marches. Such as:


Merrill;

Flemeth's Amulet;

Tarohne's writings;

Tome of the Slumbering Elders;

Xenon the Antiquarian and his collections (Elixir of Arcane Technique);

Various Fade spirits that Hawke must have dealt with as a Mage, e.g. Torpor;

Grimoires looted from the countless Blood Mages/Abominations/other Fade creatures that Hawke has defeated;


It can't be all from Merrill since full Blood Mage Hawke is a significantly more powerful Blood Mage (Blood Splatter) than Merrill. I imagine they teach each other.

Wryme (Pride Demon in the Fade) tempting Merrill: "Whatever tricks your little pet (Hawke) has taught you (Merrill) will pale in comparison."

Merrill, with the proper equipment, attributes and spells, can become a powerhouse and can live up to the reputation of a malificarum. I think she has the best spell of the blood mage and it works well with her old keeper magic