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[Pedrak]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

+1

[xCirdanx]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

I agree with this also. I still enjoy DA:O very much. (and i still play the BG series too)

[csfteeeer]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

What this Fine man said.

[oblivionenss]

xCirdanx wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

I agree with this also. I still enjoy DA:O very much. (and i still play the BG series too)

+1 Finaly one that understands

[RagingCyclone]

@ Stanley Woo...exactly. Especially when BW has multiple titles released. ME series is hybrid from its inception. Keep DAO in the traditional scope. And future titles can broaden into other types of rpg style.

[King Cousland]

simfamSP wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

WHAT HE SAID!

The penny finally drops! 

[Merci357]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Exactly. Like you said, BG is pure nostalgia - I wouldn't want to play it today. But DA:O captured it's spirit.

[Pygmali0n]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Eureka! By George, he's got it.

[csfteeeer]

Merci357 wrote...
Exactly. Like you said, BG is pure nostalgia - I wouldn't want to play it today. But DA:O captured it's spirit.

To you, Perhaps.

But i played BG2 a few weeks back, and Watching Irenicus being left with a Fate far worse than Death in the nine hells, completing the hell trials....
Was as much of a satisfying experience today as it was 10 years ago, for me.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Stanley Woo wrote...

They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

The problem here is that you don't know what necessarily causes that "experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value".

I think player behaviour is an important part of that.  I like DAO because it allows me to play the game how I enjoy playing games.  I dislike DA2 because it doesn't do that (and thus denies me that sense of engagement to which you refer).

[MerinTB]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

Ka-ching!

[Firky]

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Well, I'd be very happy with another BG. (But I was also happy with DAO and DAII.)

But, I'd say, out of epic-ness, immersion and sense of value, I'd want sense of value most. Pantaloons. Swords like Carsomyr with beautiful item description and a reason to learn how to kill Firkraag/take Keldorn for. Things that make me feel special for engaging with the game on a really deep level.

I did get that in DAII in a couple of places. Going "Wow a saarebas" was one. And having to learn how to play on nightmare. But, it's not the same as those BG2 secrets and sacrifices.

[FedericoV]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Correct. An improved DA:O with a more refined and strategical semi turn-based combat and more choices and consequences during the course of the game would be great... even if BG3 would be even better . Just joking!

@Firky: Firkraag and Carsomyr... tears of sadness and joy just thinking of it... that's the thing we've lost with level scaling. Ahhhh, those were the glorious days of buttkicking for goodness!

Modifié par FedericoV, 10 novembre 2011 - 11:41 .

[Anomaly-]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes!

DAO is a terrific game.  It's not a perfect game, but it's still a wonderful RPG experience.

Yep. Also, the fact that DA:O had a toolset allowed us to make it more individually closer to perfect for each of us. Just throwing that out there, too.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Anomaly- wrote...

Yep. Also, the fact that DA:O had a toolset allowed us to make it more individually closer to perfect for each of us. Just throwing that out there, too.

This is true.  I likely would have enjoyed the game somewhat less without the Detail Tooltips mod, or the ability to undo the spell nerfs in patch 1.02.

[Anomaly-]

PresidentCowboy wrote...
Yeah cause we all play Dragon Age on the PC.

I made no such claim. While only PC gamers would truly benefit from it, the rest of you don't lose anything, so what's the harm? In fact, Bethesda is actively pursuing ways to make mods available on the consoles. If Bioware had the same ambition, the end result would do wonders for the game's success.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
This is true.  I likely would have enjoyed the game somewhat less without the Detail Tooltips mod, or the ability to undo the spell nerfs in patch 1.02.

It's honestly like 80% of the reason that I stay interested in DA:O. Beyond that, it (and other modding tools of the past) actually inspired me to go out and get a degree in Computer Science. The DA Toolset changed my life. How's that for a testimonial?

Modifié par Anomaly-, 10 novembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Phaedros]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Finally!

Got it in one...

What took so long for so few words...   ?

[xCirdanx]

csfteeeer wrote...

Merci357 wrote...
Exactly. Like you said, BG is pure nostalgia - I wouldn't want to play it today. But DA:O captured it's spirit.

To you, Perhaps.

But i played BG2 a few weeks back, and Watching Irenicus being left with a Fate far worse than Death in the nine hells, completing the hell trials....
Was as much of a satisfying experience today as it was 10 years ago, for me.

I was going to write something similar, it´s not about nostalgia, i still play it too, because it is simply a very great RPG. It had a great story, it had simply awesome villians and party members and you had to think ahead in combat and not just run in and smash buttons. And i probably still giggle like a teenager when i make a playthru with Aerie and she gets "my" kid. Over a decade and the "community" is still active. People here are still posting in the BG section AND on other forums, heck they even still make mods for the game. (mods are really helping to keep a game alive)

Sure there were problems, but there is no such thing like a perfect game. However i think that DA:O is a very good RPG also, one i can play many many times in the upcoming years. But DA2? No, doesn´t work for me.

[csfteeeer]

xCirdanx wrote...



Sure there were problems, but there is no such thing like a perfect game. However i think that DA:O is a very good RPG also, one i can play many many times in the upcoming years. But DA2? No, doesn´t work for me.

Oh yes, i also believe DAO is great, and like BG2, i'll be playing it for a long time.
No Such thing with DA2.

[philippe willaume]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes it is.
But it is not that the premises of DA2 missed the mark per se.
DA2 had all that was need to be a good successor to DA2. DA:0 was not exactly the same as BG
the mage vs templar is epic by nature it is a world changing event.

You see in DA:0 the character decision had consequences, within the team and within the world.
To be fair no-one outside the Delish clan, the spirit and the cursed humans did really care if we resolve how the werwolves /elves resolved . yet in DA:0 somewhat it mattered to me how it was resolved, kind of a matter of right and wrong. Metagaming wise regardless of what we do we will get something out of it so how it resolves should not matter that much.

But somehow in DA2 you have the impression that there is a general apathy and nothing really matters.
For example, after exposing sister X, the chantry boss seemed that bothered that I almost expected her to tell me that the chantry mission statement was that they endeavoured to further customer support and that they moved their letter reply centre to Ferelden.

Phil

[csfteeeer]

philippe willaume wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Cool, people are clarifying and getting more specific on the kinds of things they want to see in a BioWare game. It seems I had misinterpreted what people were asking for.

So... people aren't asking us to recreate Baldur's Gate. They want us to create a game that will give them a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as the BG series? Kind of like what we did with DAO? Is that correct?

Yes it is.
But it is not that the premises of DA2 missed the mark per se.
DA2 had all that was need to be a good successor to DA2. DA:0 was not exactly the same as BG
the mage vs templar is epic by nature it is a world changing event.

you MAY wanna fix that....

[Satyricon331]

What a great thread! I agree with so much of what ppl are saying here... and yeah, I still play the BG games.