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[Annihilator27]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

If it’s a separate story campaign, are our multiplayer characters playing their part in dialogue scenes or is it more of an environmental storytelling?
While it is separate to the main story they will never be involved in the actual campaign of the main story. It’s more like a side mission to the SP. We don’t want to create situations where MP players have something that SP players couldn’t otherwise see.
http://blog.bioware....-jesse-houston/


MP campaigns and Galaxy at War are a means to show everyone what's happening beyond Shepard's immediate scope. What's going on in the rest of the universe while Shepard's story is progressing? Can't say more or I'll start getting into spoilers. But from a person who doesn't normally play MP, I would caution that you be open-minded until you can try the demo in Jan. or have the game in your hands in March then judge away

HA!

You've contradicted yourself!

HA!

HA HA-HA HA!

HA!

If you read one of the comics/novels you obviously get to see what's going on outside Shepard's domain. Think of MP as a more interactive way to become immersed in the ME Universe. It won't show you aspects of the "ACTUAL CAMPAIGN OF THE MAIN STORY" aka Shepard's story, but it will give you more insight into the Galaxy.

[Renegade Interrupt]  If you're just going to pick apart the things I say to be contrary, however, what's the point in me being on the forums discussing the information we've released? Hmm? [Some kind of cake is a lie reference here]


I should go.

[Paragon Interrupt] No stay, I brought you cake.

[DWH1982]

If it's true that there are characters only available for co-op, that bothers me.

I don't care about acheivements. I do care about characters and story.

I'm not a multiplayer person. I have no interest in playing the multiplayer aspect. Ever. That there could be plot elements I can access only by using a gameplay style I don't care for irritates me greatly.

[Lucrece]

I don't understand the multi-player hate. It's MP that gives franchises longevity since it allows players to create content for themselves via tournaments and de-emphasizing the script in encounters.

It gives players an additional arena to enjoy the setting on once you've done a complete playthrough in SP.

[1136342t54_]

crimzontearz wrote...

right...so....in order to have maxed out war assets I "have" to go through multiplauyer...but I can go at it completely alone?

I could have sworn they just said that we could have the perfect ending without MP. I'm assuming that would mean we would be able to get max war assets.

[Zkyire]

RE2_Apocalypse wrote...

"For co-op, there will be character DLC, and the co-op campaign will follow a completely different story to the single-player, including some unique characters. There are also "more customisation options" in multiplayer for weapons and armour, and separate Trophies and Achievements." Pulled from IGN.com
 
Trophies and Achievements... So I have to touch the garbage that is the co-op to get them for 1 of my favorite game series of all times for the platinum  I think Bioware is dropping the ball on ME3, lets hope the co-op is not gonna be terrible then, or I'm gonna throw a sh**storm.

No. You don't "HAVE" to.

Nobody is forcing you to try get platinum for every game.

It's still your choice.

[Jessica Merizan]

Il Divo wrote...

iakus wrote...
I'm guessing the subtlties of my sig got missed again 

While I admit I play SP games far more than multiplayer, and even my multiplayer preferences run more towards Civilization than Gears of War, I have nothing against multiplayer as such.  I am, however, deeply suspicious of it in ME3.  

I like pizza.  I like ice cream.  I do not, however, like ice cream in my pizza.  Even good ice cream.

Most games with multiplayer I have played in the past keep them totally seperate.  No benefits transfer from one to the other.  SInce MP in ME3 can affect single player, I am left to wonder how much it can do so. How much it will do so, even unintentionally.  Is that Haagen Dazs on my pepperoni?

And the very idea that one might have to play the mp campaign to get the full "Mass Effect 3" story" would really take the cake.  (Is anyone else starting to get hungry?)

At any rate, I don't doubt Bioware could make a good multiplayer game if they set their mind to it.  What bugs me is that ME3 seems to be trying to have it both ways, to be both single and multiplayer in one game.  But seperate of course.  That's the meaning of my sig.  And I doubt any demo can ease that fear.

Pretty much this, in its entirety.
Although I gotta confess Iakus, I didn't know you played anything besides RPGs? 

It CAN affect single player if you want it to. If you don't want it, it won't affect anything. This really should be clear by now.

"SP can still be played all by itself without any kind of multiplayer or third party and you can still get the absolute best ending. This just gives you new options to be able to get that ending."
http://blog.bioware....-jesse-houston/

We're giving you even more choices in a game that's about choice. You're the one with the agency to decide if and how you use MP. 

I should go.

[DWH1982]

Lucrece wrote...

I don't understand the multi-player hate.

You don't understand that different people have different tastes and preferences?

I don't hate the fact that ME3 will have multiplayer. What I "hate" is that there might be story or plot elements tied to the multiplayer, which does not suit my personal preferences.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

It CAN affect single player if you want it to. If you don't want it, it won't affect anything. This really should be clear by now.

"SP can still be played all by itself without any kind of multiplayer or third party and you can still get the absolute best ending. This just gives you new options to be able to get that ending."
http://blog.bioware....-jesse-houston/

We're giving you even more choices in a game that's about choice. You're the one with the agency to decide if and how you use MP. 

I should go.

Choices?  As in what will you do to get the platinum trophy?  Oh wait............

Seriously, this is why people are pissed about multiplayer, we don't like acheivements that are more or less determined by how well OTHER PEOPLE play.

Catherine did online w/o online acheivements, I think you guys can do it too.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 11 novembre 2011 - 01:11 .

[Jessica Merizan]

DWH1982 wrote...

Lucrece wrote...

I don't understand the multi-player hate.

You don't understand that different people have different tastes and preferences?

I don't hate the fact that ME3 will have multiplayer. What I "hate" is that there might be story or plot elements tied to the multiplayer, which does not suit my personal preferences.

Should we not make the books and comics available since some people don't like them and might miss out on plot elements or characters that are discussed in them? 

[1136342t54_]

DWH1982 wrote...

You don't understand that different people have different tastes and preferences?

I don't hate the fact that ME3 will have multiplayer. What I "hate" is that there might be story or plot elements tied to the multiplayer, which does not suit my personal preferences.

There will likely be little to no story other than.

"Capture this point. Defend this objective." The thing is since this is a Galactic war its unlikely we would be fighting with every single frontline squad in the war. Hell if you really want to get that little bit of mission information in MP just play it by yourself on a lower difficulty.

Edit: Then again if you have a problem with this you should have more of a problem with DLC missions.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 11 novembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[DWH1982]

Jessica Merizan wrote...


Should we not make the books and comics available since some people don't like them and might miss out on plot elements or characters that are discussed in them? 

The books aren't the central part of your franchise.

1136342t54 wrote...


Edit: Then again if you have a problem with this you should have more of a problem with DLC missions.

Some people do.

I, however, don't mind paying a few extra dollars here or there for missions or characters I can utilize with a gameplay style that I enjoy. In other words, single player, the same as the main portion of the game.

Modifié par DWH1982, 11 novembre 2011 - 01:17 .

[Lucrece]

DWH1982 wrote...

Lucrece wrote...

I don't understand the multi-player hate.

You don't understand that different people have different tastes and preferences?

I don't hate the fact that ME3 will have multiplayer. What I "hate" is that there might be story or plot elements tied to the multiplayer, which does not suit my personal preferences.

Preference=/= hate. The vehemence of the insistence that the ME universe be expressed solely in single player is absurd.

I find comics cheesy and tacky. But I don't go getting upset because some sidestories happen on them.

Similarly, it's fine that there are characters and stories belonging to multiplayer.  Preferably they will be stand alone and separate from your m/fshep saga.

I know a ME movie is being made. My mshep is with Alenko. I know it's very likely  MY story won't be displayed in that movie, and that I'll have to sit through a ME storyline not reflecting my universe to enjoy the franchise's crack at a different medium.

DWH1982 wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...


Should we not make the books and comics available since some people don't like them and might miss out on plot elements or characters that are discussed in them? 

The books aren't the central part of your franchise.

Who says MP will be a central part? And the books involve major characters like Vega, so if I want some backstory on a main character I'm interested in, I'll have to decide whether I want to bother with comics.

Still, there's such a selfish rage in part of people when they aren't the only ones being catered to. Cut the producers some slack and try to believe for just a second that it isn't their lifelong goal to sink their creation, let alone transform it into something alien.

Modifié par Lucrece, 11 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

iakus wrote...
I'm guessing the subtlties of my sig got missed again 

While I admit I play SP games far more than multiplayer, and even my multiplayer preferences run more towards Civilization than Gears of War, I have nothing against multiplayer as such.  I am, however, deeply suspicious of it in ME3.  

I like pizza.  I like ice cream.  I do not, however, like ice cream in my pizza.  Even good ice cream.

Most games with multiplayer I have played in the past keep them totally seperate.  No benefits transfer from one to the other.  SInce MP in ME3 can affect single player, I am left to wonder how much it can do so. How much it will do so, even unintentionally.  Is that Haagen Dazs on my pepperoni?

And the very idea that one might have to play the mp campaign to get the full "Mass Effect 3" story" would really take the cake.  (Is anyone else starting to get hungry?)

At any rate, I don't doubt Bioware could make a good multiplayer game if they set their mind to it.  What bugs me is that ME3 seems to be trying to have it both ways, to be both single and multiplayer in one game.  But seperate of course.  That's the meaning of my sig.  And I doubt any demo can ease that fear.

Pretty much this, in its entirety.
Although I gotta confess Iakus, I didn't know you played anything besides RPGs? 

It CAN affect single player if you want it to. If you don't want it, it won't affect anything. This really should be clear by now.

"SP can still be played all by itself without any kind of multiplayer or third party and you can still get the absolute best ending. This just gives you new options to be able to get that ending."
http://blog.bioware....-jesse-houston/

We're giving you even more choices in a game that's about choice. You're the one with the agency to decide if and how you use MP. 

I should go.

Whilst I can see the answer to its affect in that regard, what some others of us are asking is in the example below.

I decide that I'm going to do my initial playthrough of the SP and just go for full GR from doing the SP
I then decide that whilst that was fun there is going to be some where I now know I won't hit full GR with it so am going to give some of them a bit more of a chance by doing the MP, so I go play that and get what is needed to help boost the GR
I go play one of said playthroughs where I import my MP GR boost.
I then want to play my 'Worse Playthrough' where I don't want any 'outside' GR boost help.

Is the last thing possible considering I've already played the MP and got the boost or is the boost kind of like the resources/credits boost we got for ME and ME2 for subsequent playthroughs and it will apply to all once we've unlocked that ability?

I am hoping for the former because I don't want to do my 'Worse playthrough' first before having played the game and tried out MP.

Also as pointed out by Bogsnot1 and to some extent 11, if we were to do a full SP run getting the 100% GR from that... would the MP GR boost add to that or would it have no relevance in that instance?

[DWH1982]

Again, the games are the central friking part of this franchise. I didn't get interested in Mass Effect for the books. I didn't get interested for the comics, or because I thought there were going to be movies. I got interested because there was a game that I could enjoy the hell out of, and utilize all of the content for in single player, which is my preferred gaming style.

Mass Effect is about the gaming to me. The other stuff is nice but peripheral. That's why having content I can only access through multiplayer - which I don't really enjoy - kind of hurts. More than having comics or novels that I'll never bother with.

...And, for the record, my love of the games actually led to me buying all of the novels. And will likely lead to me buying the comics. And has lead to me writing most of the front page posts at the CDN fansite.

[1136342t54_]

DWH1982 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...


Edit: Then again if you have a problem with this you should have more of a problem with DLC missions.

Some people do.

I, however, don't mind paying a few extra dollars here or there for missions or characters I can utilize with a gameplay style that I enjoy. In other words, single player, the same as the main portion of the game.

It is essentially worse than MP going by your argument. The Galaxy at war MP can be played single player by yourself if you want and its free. DLC like Arrival and LOTSB could easily be seen as elements of the story that is very necessary to your SP experience but you have to actually pay for it.

[Jessica Merizan]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Whilst I can see the answer to its affect in that regard, what some others of us are asking is in the example below.

I decide that I'm going to do my initial playthrough of the SP and just go for full GR from doing the SP
I then decide that whilst that was fun there is going to be some where I now know I won't hit full GR with it so am going to give some of them a bit more of a chance by doing the MP, so I go play that and get what is needed to help boost the GR
I go play one of said playthroughs where I import my MP GR boost.
I then want to play my 'Worse Playthrough' where I don't want any 'outside' GR boost help.

Is the last thing possible considering I've already played the MP and got the boost or is the boost kind of like the resources/credits boost we got for ME and ME2 for subsequent playthroughs and it will apply to all once we've unlocked that ability?

I am hoping for the former because I don't want to do my 'Worse playthrough' first before having played the game and tried out MP.

Also as pointed out by Bogsnot1 and to some extent 11, if we were to do a full SP run getting the 100% GR from that... would the MP GR boost add to that or would it have no relevance in that instance?

Those are great questions and I'll be happy to track someone down to see about getting them answered. If I can't however, I apologize in advance and ask for patience until we're able to discuss those details about the game. Sorry for sounding like an automated message! But I'll see what I can do.
 
I should go.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

DWH1982 wrote...

Again, the games are the central friking part of this franchise. I didn't get interested in Mass Effect for the books. I didn't get interested for the comics, or because I thought there were going to be movies. I got interested because there was a game that I could enjoy the hell out of, and utilize all of the content for in single player, which is my preferred gaming style.

Mass Effect is about the gaming to me. The other stuff is nice but peripheral. That's why having content I can only access through multiplayer - which I don't really enjoy - kind of hurts. More than having comics or novels that I'll never bother with.

...And, for the record, my love of the games actually led to me buying all of the novels. And will likely lead to me buying the comics. And has lead to me writing most of the front page posts at the CDN fansite.

Why are you still raging over this when it has been said countless times already that you CAN play the MP stuff solo ie. on your own. if you want?


Edit: Thanks Jessica, no worries if you can't discuss it till later 

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 11 novembre 2011 - 01:25 .

[Thompson family]

DWH1982 wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...


Should we not make the books and comics available since some people don't like them and might miss out on plot elements or characters that are discussed in them? 

The books aren't the central part of your franchise.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't TIM introduced in Mass Effect: Ascension, one of the books?

I'm not a big fan of the books, but the books introduced Kathlee Sanders, Grayson's daughter and Kai Leng -- and we know Kai Leng, at the very least, will be a major figure in ME3.

Arguing that the books don't "count" is ludicrous -- and irrelevant. The "central part" of the Star Trek franchise was a TV show that was cancelled after a few seasons. By the type of logic used in this thread, we never should have had Star Trek movies.

I'm all for growth and for artistic and commercial freedom.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

I noticed that you Bioware folks are repeatedly ignoring the point about online acheivements and how it forces us to depend on how other people play to get our platinum. Is this because you realize how badly you have ****ed up and just don't want to admit it?

[SandTrout]

Thompson family wrote...

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't TIM introduced in Mass Effect: Ascension, one of the books?

I'm not a big fan of the books, but the books introduced Kathlee Sanders, Grayson's daughter and Kai Leng -- and we know Kai Leng, at the very least, will be a major figure in ME3.

Arguing that the books don't "count" is ludicrous -- and irrelevant. The "central part" of the Star Trek franchise was a TV show that was cancelled after a few seasons. By the type of logic used in this thread, we never should have had Star Trek movies.

I'm all for growth and for artistic and commercial freedom.

+1

[wizardryforever]

DWH1982 wrote...

Some people do.

I, however, don't mind paying a few extra dollars here or there for missions or characters I can utilize with a gameplay style that I enjoy. In other words, single player, the same as the main portion of the game.

Here's a newsflash: You can play the co-op alone. 

This makes it just another kind of single-player when played alone.  I don't see the problem.  Most likely all of my co-op sessions will just be me.  It's a chance to explore other aspects of Mass Effect beyond Shepard, regardless of whether you play with others.

[SandTrout]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

I noticed that you Bioware folks are repeatedly ignoring the point about online acheivements and how it forces us to depend on how other people play to get our platinum. Is this because you realize how badly you have ****ed up and just don't want to admit it?

It's because some people don't realize how completely irrelevant this point is. You are not required to attempt to get the platinum, and you can connect with friends that you can depend on, if you want.

Modifié par SandTrout, 11 novembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[GMagnum]

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