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[wildannie]

I didn't read any of the leaks but there have been enough unmarked spoilers appearing in various character threads to have me worried rather than excited.
I am still hopeful that the concerns generated by the leaked story will be unfounded but my excitement has dropped to about zero just now.

[The Sapien]

didymos1120 wrote...

The Sapien wrote...

To you, ME1 was almost entirely concerned with war and battles, maybe. For me, it was much more.

I didn't say it wasn't more.  I said the main plot was almost entirely concerned with war and battles.  That's just a plain fact:

Eden Prime and Feros are both war zones.   Noveria is a fun-filled romp through a bioweapons lab, and as a bonus, you get to fight the creatures that damn near successfully prosecuted the most destructive war known to current galactic civilization. Virmire is a daring assault on an enemy stronghold, complete with a rousing call-to-arms speech that, with just a few minor changes, could have come straight out of any of your better war films. Not to mention the shadow of the Krogan Rebellions that is hanging all over that place.  On Ilos, you hear the tale of a war that was lost before the defenders even knew they were in it, and the genocide that resulted (which is of course where we finally realize exactly what sort of storm is coming our way in ME3).  And then it's off to fight the Battle of the Citadel, and by game's end, two of the now four sitting Council species have won a seat as the direct result of war.

But it doesn't actually stop there. Much the backstory of the ME-verse that is presented to us in the first game is absolutely drenched in war and battles: 

Humanity's debut on the galactic stage was a war.

Humanity gets its first Spectre because a new galactic war threatens to erupt (and in fact has already been declared, though no one realizes it at that time).

Both Ash and Wrex's lives were defined by the wars of their respective species preceding generations, Tali's by the disastrous war her ancestors lost 300 years ago, Garrus' by a society in which the concept of "civilian" is almost meaningless.

BDtS isn't just about a terrorist, but one acting to avenge the perceived wrongs of the conflict in the Verge.

The rather lightweight Pinnacle Station is no exception: a facility entirely devoted to realistic combat simulation.  I.e., training people for war and battles.

Even most of Shep's backgrounds are very much rooted in war:  the Colonist suffers as a result of the same proxy war with the batarians that will eventually provide the opportunities to become either a War Hero or one of the Ruthless.  The Spacer grows up with parents who are on active duty during the escalation of that conflict. Only the Earthborn/Sole Survivor combo (curiously enough, the default) isn't directly affected by it.

And this doesn't even get into the sidequests that are initimately related to humanity's wars past and present: Rogue VI, Espionage Probe, Geth Incursions, Old, Unhappy Far Off Things, I Remember Me, Our Own Worst Enemy, Homecoming, etc.

Or how much of the Codex is devoted to matters military.

Oh, and you know, the PC is a soldier, in command of a military vessel with an almost entirely military crew.

In any case, the point is that, regardless of the fact that ME1 was "so much more" to you, castigating the devs because ME3 is just about "war and battles", but giving them a pass on ME1 is kinda hypocritical (even if unintentionally so).

You're not even trying to understand me. You're obviously just here to argue over rhetoric without any hope of communicating. Perhaps, I offended you in some way. It's really wierd that you recapped a game that I already know quite well, as if rehashing it using your words is somehow going to override my experience. Are you expecting me to read your "ME is all about war and battles" and respond with "Wow, I must've played the wrong game"?

Do YOU even know what your point is here? On one reading, it sounds like you're saying I'm wrong that ME and ME2 were much more than just being war and battles and that I should just expect ME3 to be the same and that I should stop praising BioWare unless I just love anything with war and battles. You're telling me not to hope for exploration, discovery, space adventures, discovery of artifacts, romance, meeting new races, and to just be happy with war and battles. No, I get you're not really meaning to say those things, but if you understood my point then that is how your repsonse should be read. Ignoring my point, sure, in a way, you're right. But in another context, as laid out by my first post, you're just choosing to use different symantics so that you can argue with me because, as I'm guessing, something I said made you angry.

[S.A.K]

I had to spend over $100 to get a CE which isn't available in my ****ing country. So yes I am very excited. About Skyrim, it ain't buggy as I thought it would be.

[staindgrey]

JukeFrog wrote...

Dinosaur Act wrote...

no. SKYRIM.

This. Skyrim will keep me busy for months.

Can anyone tell me why Skyrim is so ****ing fantastic?

I didn't really find anything fantastic about Oblivion. It was... wonky. Is there any reason to think that Skyrim will appeal to me more?

[1136342t54_]

staindgrey wrote...

JukeFrog wrote...

Dinosaur Act wrote...

no. SKYRIM.

This. Skyrim will keep me busy for months.

Can anyone tell me why Skyrim is so ****ing fantastic?

I didn't really find anything fantastic about Oblivion. It was... wonky. Is there any reason to think that Skyrim will appeal to me more?

Don't compare Oblivion to Skyrim. Oblivion to be honest was a good game but the hype for it dissapointed some of the fans. Kind of like Bethesda's DA2. Skyrim is everything Oblivion should have been and more. Now it really depends on your preference. If you like games that are openworld you should really like Skyrim. To be honest in Oblivion games you have little choice in the main story to be honest.

[staindgrey]

1136342t54 wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Can anyone tell me why Skyrim is so ****ing fantastic?

I didn't really find anything fantastic about Oblivion. It was... wonky. Is there any reason to think that Skyrim will appeal to me more?

Don't compare Oblivion to Skyrim. Oblivion to be honest was a good game but the hype for it dissapointed some of the fans. Kind of like Bethesda's DA2. Skyrim is everything Oblivion should have been and more. Now it really depends on your preference. If you like games that are openworld you should really like Skyrim. To be honest in Oblivion games you have little choice in the main story to be honest.

Well it's not so much "Oblivion wasn't as good as they said it was". I don't like the interface, or the presentation. I didn't like combat or controls so much, and didn't get into the story even enough to justify making it more than a few hours in. I just wasn't impressed at all in occordance to my personal tastes.

But Skyrim is getting the treatment of Jesus's second coming, and I never see so much as one negative opinion on it. So I feel like I should give it a shot, but I'm unimpressed with gameplay footage and have other games still to play.

I guess I feel like I'm missing out on something big, yet I also feel like I don't care. *shrug*

[SirBoomstick]

Well I remember reading some spoilers but I forgot what they were about. Skyrim actually made me more excited for ME 3 because now ME 3 is the only thing I have to wait for... Hell yeah I'm excited!

[Whiteshiro]

skyrim is bloody amazing im hooked for 3 straight days now. i will finish mass effect 3 in 3 days skyrim i will finish that in 2 years.

[1136342t54_]

staindgrey wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Can anyone tell me why Skyrim is so ****ing fantastic?

I didn't really find anything fantastic about Oblivion. It was... wonky. Is there any reason to think that Skyrim will appeal to me more?

Don't compare Oblivion to Skyrim. Oblivion to be honest was a good game but the hype for it dissapointed some of the fans. Kind of like Bethesda's DA2. Skyrim is everything Oblivion should have been and more. Now it really depends on your preference. If you like games that are openworld you should really like Skyrim. To be honest in Oblivion games you have little choice in the main story to be honest.

Well it's not so much "Oblivion wasn't as good as they said it was". I don't like the interface, or the presentation. I didn't like combat or controls so much, and didn't get into the story even enough to justify making it more than a few hours in. I just wasn't impressed at all in occordance to my personal tastes.

But Skyrim is getting the treatment of Jesus's second coming, and I never see so much as one negative opinion on it. So I feel like I should give it a shot, but I'm unimpressed with gameplay footage and have other games still to play.

I guess I feel like I'm missing out on something big, yet I also feel like I don't care. *shrug*

Skyrim has plenty of things wrong you would usually see with Bethesda games. Its not a good console port for PC version. There are plenty of bugs but in general it doesn't really hinder your gameplay experience. The interface has changed a lot making it more simplistic. Combat has been enhanced but not entirely changed in anyway.  Also the main story for a Elder Scrolls game usually is lackluster although I've been hearing Skyrim's main story pretty good. The side quests (which there are many of) is where the enjoyment really begins. Especially the guild quests.

[JonnyOwen]

staindgrey wrote...

JukeFrog wrote...

Dinosaur Act wrote...

no. SKYRIM.

This. Skyrim will keep me busy for months.

Can anyone tell me why Skyrim is so ****ing fantastic?

I didn't really find anything fantastic about Oblivion. It was... wonky. Is there any reason to think that Skyrim will appeal to me more?

I thought the same thing about Oblivion. But I got Skyrim on Friday and have not stopped playing, already completed the main storyline's; it is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. Game of the Year for sure.

Modifié par JonnyOwen, 13 novembre 2011 - 05:01 .

[Xilizhra]

Screw Skyrim. I can't stand sandbox games.

[spirosz]

Xilizhra wrote...

Screw Skyrim. I can't stand sandbox games.

[Xilizhra]

spiros9110 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Screw Skyrim. I can't stand sandbox games.

Largely weak narrative, so far utterly lacking in romance, overemphasis on irritating frills instead of integration into the story, more silent unconnectable protagonists...

[spirosz]

Xilizhra wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Screw Skyrim. I can't stand sandbox games.

{smilie}

Largely weak narrative, so far utterly lacking in romance, overemphasis on irritating frills instead of integration into the story, more silent unconnectable protagonists...

Understandable, but I disagree.  So back to the

[1136342t54_]

Xilizhra wrote...

Largely weak narrative,

I really hope you didn't get the game mostly for story.

so far utterly lacking in romance

Not a fault since this is Bethesda. Most **** they have even related to romance is rather simplistic or just superficial. This isn't Bioware or Obsidian.

, overemphasis on irritating frills instead of integration into the story,

The main story is never the main part of any Elder Scrolls game.

more silent unconnectable protagonists...

This game isn't really meant for story or a lot of focus on the protagonist. 

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

Your complaints aren't entirely accurate but are present in the game. The problem is those aren't really what makes the game. It would be like complaining a love story that has a Modern American setting on the streets of New York seen through the eyes of a Wall street banker doesn't have enough action in it. While love stories can have action it just doesn't make the genre.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 13 novembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[Xilizhra]

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

I didn't get the game at all. I played New Vegas for ten minutes, watched my roommate play for rather more, and it completely destroyed all desire to play anything by Bethseda.

[1136342t54_]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

I didn't get the game at all. I played New Vegas for ten minutes, watched my roommate play for rather more, and it completely destroyed all desire to play anything by Bethseda.

Read the edit. Your thinking of comparing this RPG to a Bioware (like) game basically fails you. Honestly I like Bethesda games for different reasons for I like Bioware games. 

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 13 novembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

This game isn't really meant for story or a lot of focus on the protagonist. 

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

She bought the game?

Sounded like it since she made so many judgements on the game.

[Xilizhra]

1136342t54 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

I didn't get the game at all. I played New Vegas for ten minutes, watched my roommate play for rather more, and it completely destroyed all desire to play anything by Bethseda.

Read the edit. Your thinking of comparing this RPG to a Bioware (like) game basically fails you. Honestly I like Bethesda games for different reasons for I like Bioware games. 

Note that my initial post said that I didn't like sandbox games, period. It's not a specific gripe about Skyrim.

[1136342t54_]

Xilizhra wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To be honest I think you got the game with the mindset of comparing this to a Bioware RPG when in fact you shouldn't.

I didn't get the game at all. I played New Vegas for ten minutes, watched my roommate play for rather more, and it completely destroyed all desire to play anything by Bethseda.

Read the edit. Your thinking of comparing this RPG to a Bioware (like) game basically fails you. Honestly I like Bethesda games for different reasons for I like Bioware games. 

Note that my initial post said that I didn't like sandbox games, period. It's not a specific gripe about Skyrim.

So what? I didn't mention anything about you not specifically disliking Sandbox games. To sum up my two posts you are looking Action in a Romance story. While Romance stories have action in its just not the main point of the genre. Your view is that Skyrim isn't good its a opinion that is incorrect for the general public but personally for you its just not for you.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

Oh people do that all the time with games they haven't played. Ex: Mass Effect 3.

Eh they make assumptions might as well make mine lol. 

[Xilizhra]

So what? I didn't mention anything about you not specifically disliking Sandbox games. To sum up my two posts you are looking Action in a Romance story. While Romance stories have action in its just not the main point of the genre. Your view is that Skyrim isn't good its a opinion that is incorrect for the general public but personally for you its just not for you.

I never said Skyrim wasn't good.