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[Bluko]

Yes and No.

Every time I see some good news, I also see some bad news. I don't think ME3 will be a horrible game, but I'm still skeptical it will actually be the great finale I'm hoping for. There is very high risk that ME3 could be  a less then stellar closing act.

I'm not too concerned about the gameplay. It seems to be a more in-depth version of ME2. Which is good. Hopefully that it will help it out a lot as the biggest fault with ME2 was the vast amount of  streamlining they did to gameplay features. I enjoy ME2's gameplay, but it's a very shallow pool to swim in. ME1 was a bit deeper and something I felt I could dive into even if the water is a bit murky. Obviously there are some things I wish would change with ME3 (Thermal Clips, etc.) but I can still enjoy the game if they don't.

While solid gameplay is important and the main factor on how much I'll want to replay ME3, it's the story and setting that truly keeps me invested in the series. ME2 really stumbled around in this part. As a sequel it's not really what I wanted. Yes the side-stories are all very interesting and fun, but the whole thing with the Collectors seems to be a waste of time. I expected Shepard to actually do something about the coming Reaper Invasion. But instead we're mostly railroaded into chasing Galactic Boogeymen in what is ultimately a pointless pursuit.

My main concern is ME3 is trying to do too much storywise. Really in ME2 we should have been preparing for and solving Galactic Problems. IMO issues like the Genophage should have been dealt with and resolved in ME2. ME3 should have been solely about combating the Reapers. Problem is we're still dealing with the issues and taking care of everyone's personal problems as the entire galaxy is basically being destroyed. I dunno it just seems kind of dumb. And things like Galactic Readiness really irk me. Really? Did we not get our fill of contrived elements like Loyalty in ME2?


I'm just worried ME3 will end up like MGS4. Yes I know a number of folks consider MGS4 to be the most perfect game ever, but for me it kind of fell on it's face trying to tie everything together and as a result made the whole story of the series pretty laughable. (Although MGS2 shares much of that blame.)

Yes it was still a good game, and I'm sure ME3 as will be as well, but I don't want to see ME3 suffer the same fate of being a complete mess. Though I fear it may already be too late with ME2.


I dunno I just don't buy into hype anymore. There were a number of games I thought for sure were going to be great this generation (Mercenaries 2), but once I got them I quickly wanted to sell them back. Anytime I let myself get hyped for anything like like oh say  Arrival I end up be very disappointed. I think it's best I remain skeptical then. So as a result I will be waiting for reviews before picking up ME3.

No doubt I will get ME3, but honestly with all the DLC junk that is sure to follow I may just wait a few months to get the game so I can have the full experience right off the bat. In ME2 it's forgiveable to do stuff after the Suicide Mission. But ME3 is the end. I don't want to go back to after having saved the Galaxy just so I can play another mission of use a new squadmate.

[onelifecrisis]

Bluko wrote...

Yes and No.

Every time I see some good news, I also see some bad news. I don't think ME3 will be a horrible game, but I'm still skeptical it will actually be the great finale I'm hoping for. There is very high risk that ME3 could be  a less then stellar closing act.

I'm not too concerned about the gameplay. It seems to be a more in-depth version of ME2. Which is good. Hopefully that it will help it out a lot as the biggest fault with ME2 was the vast amount of  streamlining they did to gameplay features. I enjoy ME2's gameplay, but it's a very shallow pool to swim in. ME1 was a bit deeper and something I felt I could dive into even if the water is a bit murky. Obviously there are some things I wish would change with ME3 (Thermal Clips, etc.) but I can still enjoy the game if they don't.

While solid gameplay is important and the main factor on how much I'll want to replay ME3, it's the story and setting that truly keeps me invested in the series. ME2 really stumbled around in this part. As a sequel it's not really what I wanted. Yes the side-stories are all very interesting and fun, but the whole thing with the Collectors seems to be a waste of time. I expected Shepard to actually do something about the coming Reaper Invasion. But instead we're mostly railroaded into chasing Galactic Boogeymen in what is ultimately a pointless pursuit.

My main concern is ME3 is trying to do too much storywise. Really in ME2 we should have been preparing for and solving Galactic Problems. IMO issues like the Genophage should have been dealt with and resolved in ME2. ME3 should have been solely about combating the Reapers. Problem is we're still dealing with the issues and taking care of everyone's personal problems as the entire galaxy is basically being destroyed. I dunno it just seems kind of dumb. And things like Galactic Readiness really irk me. Really? Did we not get our fill of contrived elements like Loyalty in ME2?


I'm just worried ME3 will end up like MGS4. Yes I know a number of folks consider MGS4 to be the most perfect game ever, but for me it kind of fell on it's face trying to tie everything together and as a result made the whole story of the series pretty laughable. (Although MGS2 shares much of that blame.)

Yes it was still a good game, and I'm sure ME3 as will be as well, but I don't want to see ME3 suffer the same fate of being a complete mess. Though I fear it may already be too late with ME2.


I dunno I just don't buy into hype anymore. There were a number of games I thought for sure were going to be great this generation (Mercenaries 2), but once I got them I quickly wanted to sell them back. Anytime I let myself get hyped for anything like like oh say  Arrival I end up be very disappointed. I think it's best I remain skeptical then. So as a result I will be waiting for reviews before picking up ME3.

No doubt I will get ME3, but honestly with all the DLC junk that is sure to follow I may just wait a few months to get the game so I can have the full experience right off the bat. In ME2 it's forgiveable to do stuff after the Suicide Mission. But ME3 is the end. I don't want to go back to after having saved the Galaxy just so I can play another mission of use a new squadmate.

Great post IMO. I agree with every word of it.

[RogueState]

I've been excited since the first trailer release last year and nothing I have seen so far has dampened that! I've managed to maintain relatively spoiler free but the few bits I have read had just made me even more excited.

I don't understand why there is so much negativity from some players regarding the storyline, I can only conlcude that they are dead set on being disappointed so are b*&£*%^g about everything and I am quite curious to know what exactly they are/were expecting and what, in their opinion, would have made this the game "epic".

Modifié par Lordy12, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:42 .

[Jacen987]

Bluko wrote...

Yes and No.

Every time I see some good news, I also see some bad news. I don't think ME3 will be a horrible game, but I'm still skeptical it will actually be the great finale I'm hoping for. There is very high risk that ME3 could be  a less then stellar closing act.

I'm not too concerned about the gameplay. It seems to be a more in-depth version of ME2. Which is good. Hopefully that it will help it out a lot as the biggest fault with ME2 was the vast amount of  streamlining they did to gameplay features. I enjoy ME2's gameplay, but it's a very shallow pool to swim in. ME1 was a bit deeper and something I felt I could dive into even if the water is a bit murky. Obviously there are some things I wish would change with ME3 (Thermal Clips, etc.) but I can still enjoy the game if they don't.

While solid gameplay is important and the main factor on how much I'll want to replay ME3, it's the story and setting that truly keeps me invested in the series. ME2 really stumbled around in this part. As a sequel it's not really what I wanted. Yes the side-stories are all very interesting and fun, but the whole thing with the Collectors seems to be a waste of time. I expected Shepard to actually do something about the coming Reaper Invasion. But instead we're mostly railroaded into chasing Galactic Boogeymen in what is ultimately a pointless pursuit.

My main concern is ME3 is trying to do too much storywise. Really in ME2 we should have been preparing for and solving Galactic Problems. IMO issues like the Genophage should have been dealt with and resolved in ME2. ME3 should have been solely about combating the Reapers. Problem is we're still dealing with the issues and taking care of everyone's personal problems as the entire galaxy is basically being destroyed. I dunno it just seems kind of dumb. And things like Galactic Readiness really irk me. Really? Did we not get our fill of contrived elements like Loyalty in ME2?


I'm just worried ME3 will end up like MGS4. Yes I know a number of folks consider MGS4 to be the most perfect game ever, but for me it kind of fell on it's face trying to tie everything together and as a result made the whole story of the series pretty laughable. (Although MGS2 shares much of that blame.)

Yes it was still a good game, and I'm sure ME3 as will be as well, but I don't want to see ME3 suffer the same fate of being a complete mess. Though I fear it may already be too late with ME2.


I dunno I just don't buy into hype anymore. There were a number of games I thought for sure were going to be great this generation (Mercenaries 2), but once I got them I quickly wanted to sell them back. Anytime I let myself get hyped for anything like like oh say  Arrival I end up be very disappointed. I think it's best I remain skeptical then. So as a result I will be waiting for reviews before picking up ME3.

No doubt I will get ME3, but honestly with all the DLC junk that is sure to follow I may just wait a few months to get the game so I can have the full experience right off the bat. In ME2 it's forgiveable to do stuff after the Suicide Mission. But ME3 is the end. I don't want to go back to after having saved the Galaxy just so I can play another mission of use a new squadmate.

Very nice post indeed. You pretty much summarised all the most prominent concerns of this communaty and i do agree with the DLC fiasco.

To this day, i still think, people are needlessly obseessing over the reaper plot device.(We always have to fight them, on every planet,every second of every day) I always thought, from a narrative perspective, that was just the hock to get Sheppard of Earth doing extraordnary things, as the Spear of Humanity.

Kinda like the dragons are in Skyrim, a driving force, a constant reminder of dread. In a way, just like Skyrim, i always thought it was about exploring new places, cultures, people./the whole mythos of ME.

ME2 was always about stopping the Collectors, the only Reaper agents left in the galaxy, because in ME1 Shepard won = No more Reapers in known space. That and the other races arent going to resolve their long stading disputes just cause of Sheppard say-so, they have to be forced by the Reapers by the their need, their desperation, by the indesputable proff, that Reapers = EndGame. All you could really do is advance those plot-lines.(geth, genophage,etc..)

Modifié par Jacen987, 14 novembre 2011 - 11:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Meh... Not really excited.

Just curious to see how it will end (the cynic in me would say "how much they will f**** up this time")
Pretty much killin time.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Jacen987 wrote...

I'm just worried ME3 will end up like MGS4. Yes I know a number of folks consider MGS4 to be the most perfect game ever, but for me it kind of fell on it's face trying to tie everything together and as a result made the whole story of the series pretty laughable. (Although MGS2 shares much of that blame.)

Bio writers can eat tons of crazy shrooms and anything thay can come up with will STILL be more coherent than half the stuff that comes from Japan (Final Fantasy, I'm looking at you).

Ironicly that this statement comes from me (who likes anime).

[Exia001]

Given that I have restrained myself with reguard to spoilers...Hells yeah!

[Phaedon]

Bluko wrote...
-Wall of Text-

While very intellectual sounding, the words:

-deep: Shows that you never touched a single ME1 item. Unlike ME2, they comprise of only three statistics, all of which are better or worse per model. Also, all models share the same code. If you are talking about statistical progression, then, yet again, everything that you pick in ME1 has less of a meaningful effect, statistically.

-pointless: Shows that you have probably played ME2 while spamming the space bar, singing "Lalallala" and achieving to miss the two not-subtle-at all-repeated-all-the-darn time points of ME2.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Phaedon wrote...

Bluko wrote...
-Wall of Text-

While very intellectual sounding, the words:

-deep: Shows that you never touched a single ME1 item. Unlike ME2, they comprise of only three statistics, all of which are better or worse per model. Also, all models share the same code. If you are talking about statistical progression, then, yet again, everything that you pick in ME1 has less of a meaningful effect, statistically.

He said "deeper", not "deep". Relativism. 

Also, basic reading skills.

-pointless: Shows that you have probably played ME2 while spamming the space bar, singing "Lalallala" and achieving to miss the two not-subtle-at all-repeated-all-the-darn time points of ME2.

First of all, who said he's playing the pc version of ME2? And secondly, ME2's journey does ultimately proof to be pointless. There's a reason many people say ME2 felt like filler.

Je stelt me teleur, schat; van jou had ik toch wel beter verwacht.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 14 novembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[nitefyre410]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

I'm just worried ME3 will end up like MGS4. Yes I know a number of folks consider MGS4 to be the most perfect game ever, but for me it kind of fell on it's face trying to tie everything together and as a result made the whole story of the series pretty laughable. (Although MGS2 shares much of that blame.)

Bio writers can eat tons of crazy shrooms and anything thay can come up with will STILL be more coherent than half the stuff that comes from Japan (Final Fantasy, I'm looking at you).

Ironicly that this statement comes from me (who likes anime).

 


Its not Ironic maybe, maybe not.  once you read enough manga, watch enough anime,  play enough JRPGs you get to see some general  themes its drives you nuts when bad  but when its good...its good and when its really good it really good. You have seen enough good to know when its good - though we may disagree  on which Final Fantasy we like or dislike  but what makes it a good series is that you have a little something for everyone.   

Though I may very   scream if a play another RPG in  Generic   Fanatasy Land  number  X  with characters that look like the bottom of a worn tennis shoe coming out of  Western Developers.   So both have they weakness and strong points.    I would  like to see someone do a compare and contrast that bashes niether  but shows how the different styles  of story telling when used properly and well make for a great gaming exeperience.   
 
As far as the Bioware writers man I want to  have that kind of  faith in them but  something in the back of my mind is telling me to wait and see.  There have been some miss steps along the way  of ME that have me scratching my head. Like  Cerberus going full blown Reaper proxy - there best to be a really good reason a for that(not that was huge fan of TIM) but I liked  how you knew you couldn't trust him but you need  him  in that  type of role.

[onelifecrisis]

Phaedon wrote...

Unlike ME2, they comprise of only three statistics, all of which are better or worse per model. Also, all models share the same code. If you are talking about statistical progression, then, yet again, everything that you pick in ME1 has less of a meaningful effect, statistically.

I actually consider that to be true, or at least arguably true, but it still seems to me like you're nitpicking, Phaedon.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 14 novembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Unlike ME2, they comprise of only three statistics, all of which are better or worse per model. Also, all models share the same code. If you are talking about statistical progression, then, yet again, everything that you pick in ME1 has less of a meaningful effect, statistically.

I actually consider that to be true, or at least arguably true, but it still seems to me like you're nitpicking, Phaedon.

I've seen far worse nitpicking, though.

[Phaedon]

[quote]onelifecrisis wrote...
I actually consider that to be true, or at least arguably true, but it still seems to me like you're nitpicking, Phaedon.

[/quote]
I am. Because faux-intellectualism annoys me greatly.

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...
He said "deeper", not "deep". Relativism. [/quote]
And that is obviously the issue here, or I wouldn't be commenting on opinions that aren't based on absolute facts, would I?

[quote]First of all, who said he's playing the pc version of ME2?[/quote]
I am, obviously, since you are quoting me.

[quote]And secondly, ME2's journey does ultimately proof to be pointless. There's a reason many people say ME2 felt like filler.[/quote][/quote]I don't care what you feel at all. ME2 has two major points both of which are repeated multiple times in the game, and both of which are fulfilled.


[quote]Je stelt me teleur, schat; van jou had ik toch wel beter verwacht.
[/quote][quote]Also, basic reading skills.[/quote]I have repeatedly told you I am not Dutch, you tasteless piece of...cake. Yes, cake. Go eat some.

Modifié par Phaedon, 14 novembre 2011 - 01:47 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ah, I thought you were. In that case I apologise for that comment, although the rest of my post still stands.

[Sharizah]

I am still VERY excited, in fact I can barely wait till ME 3 launch...

[Forsythia]

I'm trying to ignore all the crap about multiplayer, 'action mode' and such, because really, I'll be playing ME3 for the singleplayer experience. So yes, I am still excited. And I was finally able to pre-order the CE in the Netherlands, so I'm really jumping for joy here.

Now to find a way to get early access to the demo without Battlefield 3...

[JeffZero]

Happy for ya that you were able to pre-order the CE in the Netherlands, Forsythia!

[didymos1120]

Forsythia wrote...

Now to find a way to get early access to the demo without Battlefield 3...

OK, everyone gets access to the single-player demo.  It's only the co-op portion that will have early access.  Also, just wait a month or so. Then Bioware will announce the other ways of getting early MP access, assuming you care about that at all.

[Forsythia]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Is that Alice from Alice Madness returns?

Yes, it is.

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, everyone gets access to the single-player demo.  It's only the co-op portion that will have early access.  Also, just wait a month or so. Then Bioware will announce the other ways of getting early MP access, assuming you care about that at all.

Oh. I thought is was early access for the singleplayer too. Well, now I'm not that bothered with it anymore! 

[jahaa]

I am waiting patiently.
I started to play another game but after some matches i miss my FemShep and i have to watch my videos again, the vids of my friends on youtube, more random vids, then listen Vigil or The End Run... i think it is time to start a NG

[The Sapien]

Lordy12 wrote...

I've been excited since the first trailer release last year and nothing I have seen so far has dampened that! I've managed to maintain relatively spoiler free but the few bits I have read had just made me even more excited.

I don't understand why there is so much negativity from some players regarding the storyline, I can only conlcude that they are dead set on being disappointed so are b*&£*%^g about everything and I am quite curious to know what exactly they are/were expecting and what, in their opinion, would have made this the game "epic".

It's like falling in love. From past experience, it seems to only happen once with each person or movie or game. The ones I fell for the hardest just couldn't repeat that experience with their "sequals". Are you the marrying type? Is Mass Effect the one for you? Maybe. But at this point in my relationship with ME, I just don't know if adding spice will be enough to compare to that initial falling in love part. So, it's different. I'm looking forward to it still, just not as excited.

[Lotion Soronarr]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Its not Ironic maybe, maybe not.  once you read enough manga, watch enough anime,  play enough JRPGs you get to see some general  themes its drives you nuts when bad  but when its good...its good and when its really good it really good. You have seen enough good to know when its good - though we may disagree  on which Final Fantasy we like or dislike  but what makes it a good series is that you have a little something for everyone.   

Though I may very   scream if a play another RPG in  Generic   Fanatasy Land  number  X  with characters that look like the bottom of a worn tennis shoe coming out of  Western Developers.   So both have they weakness and strong points.    I would  like to see someone do a compare and contrast that bashes niether  but shows how the different styles  of story telling when used properly and well make for a great gaming exeperience.  

I'm not talking about degins (altough it factors into it). I'm talking purely about the writing.

FF writing (I'm reffering to 6 and onward) is attrocious. The Setting is horrible. The entire world makes no sense, character bhavior makes no sense. My little niece could come up with more coherent dialogue.
I can play it as a comedy (where I laugh at all the stupidity).

[Alenkosexualtendencies]

Im still uber psyched. Loved the series from so far and looking forward to the end. Also want to try some mp out for myself.